<Loyal_Imperial> CHAT! CHAT! CHAT!
<Loyal_Imperial> It's 8.
<Bly> Hoo-rah!
<Dunc> Chat is now
<RF> !!!!
<Jello> Huzzah.
<Bly> OK, I'll start
<Bly> With a poll, of sorts
<RF> The chat is primed!
<Dunc> Okay. Overall thoughts?
<Bly> Who here liked this book?
<Horsey> it was okay
<Dunc> It was okay/meh.
<Loyal_Imperial> Mediocre.
<Trip> *cricket*
<Horsey> should've ended 50 pages earlier
<Kobe> it was average
<Bly> I liked it.
<Kagari> Started off slow... got good in parts... end was a bit dragged
* becca will be largley lurking and listening now as she hasn't read the book yet.
<whiskers> Book was okay, not as good as some of the others and there were some annoying moments.
<Bly> Yeah, you can shoot me now...
<Bly> :p
<Loyal_Imperial> Parts were brilliant.
<Loyal_Imperial> Parts were abysmal.
<Kagari> Yes, annoying moments...
<Trip> I couldn't get past chapter 4
<McEwok> It was better than the previous ones.
<Trip> I think I decided I can't be bothered
<Bly> LI: The first one being Pellaeon, the second one being the Mandos?
<Loyal_Imperial> Better than Sacrifice and Bloodlines.
<McEwok> Trip pointed out some... sillines... I overlooked, though.
<Loyal_Imperial> Second was Mandos.
<Dunc> I liked the Luke and Ben bonding.
<Loyal_Imperial> First was Niathal and Jacen.
<Bly> AH
<Loyal_Imperial> Ben too.
<Bly> Yes
<Trip> I think I'm too analytical
<Trip> in my reading
<Trip> or something
<becca> what sillines?!
<Bly> Niathal was GREAT in this book
<Trip> because boy howdy
<Jello> non legeo ut audiam
<Trip> Bec
<Trip> asking me, or McE?
<Dunc> Okay. Shall we start with the Imperials?
<whiskers> Mandos was indeed one for me. Nothing against them, but I hate when they're shoved down the collective throat of Star Wars fans as the best thing ever
<becca> does legere mean read and audiam mean listen?
<Loyal_Imperial> Imperials.
<Bly> Dunc: sure
<Loyal_Imperial> Good.
<Jello> yes
<becca> Trip - whoever will tell me what was silly!
<Bly> I'll start
<Dunc> Whiskers: OT, but WORD.
<Loyal_Imperial> Imperials, ON!
<Trip> Sure
<Bly> Pellaeon was a BADASS in this book
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<McEwok> Imperials.
<Trip> Bec, I'm sure it'll come up
<Horsey> MARLY!!!!!!!!!!
<Bly> Seriously
<Loyal_Imperial> Marly?
* Dunc changes topic to 'Revelation Chat . TOPIC: Imperials..'
<Trip> I'll stick with the topic
* Horsey sets mode: +v LosDosMos
<becca> no worries then :)
<Trip> LDM!
<Bly> Of course, Jello hates me now for saying that.
<Trip> Long time no see!
<LosDosMos> Trip!
<Bly> :p
<McEwok> Pellaeon... was a tired old man. Does Traviss have something against Humphrey Littleton?
<Jello> Of course I do.
<Bly> Hey, it's LDM.
<Kagari> I couldn't help but laugh at the Moffs waiting in the hall for Gil to die <_<
<Jello> Hi LDM, long time no see
<Dunc> I just can't take Daala seriously.
<Dunc> AT ALL.
<Loyal_Imperial> The Moff numbers was annoying.
<Havac> Jesus Christ. This list of release dates is fascinating.
<Horsey> I can't take her seriously either
<McEwok> Shush, you uppity little Sullustan
<Loyal_Imperial> *were
<Bly> Dunc: that was hard, as well
<Trip> I'm thinking Pelly's insane
<Havac> Oh, and ZOMG MARLY!
<McEwok> DAALA
<RF> Its Daala.
<LosDosMos> Hey guys! Been super busy with work and school. Glad to see y'all!
<McEwok> Superweapons.
<whiskers> Kagari, that was indeed entertaining. Liked that Daala was back and we got a first name.
<Dunc> She's DAALA. She's like the very definition of early bantam/KJA fail.
<Loyal_Imperial> Daala's superweapons were annoying.
<Jello> ...Daala has a first name?
* becca wants a sekrit stash of superweapons
<Bly> Yep
<Horsey> yes
<Havac> Natasi Daala.
<Bly> Natasi
<Loyal_Imperial> Natasi.
<whiskers> Natasi, or something
<Loyal_Imperial> Renatasian.
<Jello> ...........
<McEwok> Dunc: word.
<Kagari> I laughed out loud
<becca> NATASI! Like BSG. It's I, Satan backwards.
<Kagari> XD
<Bly> Dammit, Havac beat me to it
<whiskers> And I was beat to it.
<McEwok> No, Jelila.
<RF> Ami Daala
<Bly> Rather ironic, really
<Dunc> Plus, what's up with everyone treating her like she's Thrawn 2.0?
<McEwok> If Pellaeon can be Gil, I see no reason why Daala can't be Jelila.
<Bly> Hmm...if she was Rentasian...
<Bly> ...could Daala know Vuffi Raa?
<McEwok> Dunc: KT is a friend of KJA, I believe?
<Dunc> I roll my eyes when they do that to Thrawn, but this is DAALA.
<Trip> Well
<Bly> MCE: Yeah, i think that's it
<Trip> Han was shitting hisself in Darksaber
<Trip> when Daala showed back up
<Kagari> lol
<LordHydronium> With laughter?
<RF> Because she's nuts.
<Trip> With fear
<RF> She'll kill them all!
<LordHydronium> Fear of laughing?
<Dunc> The retcon to end all retcons: Daala as competent.
<RF> By wrecking a star destroyer.
<RF> :p
<Bly> I loved how Pellaeon kept thinking about how hot Daala was
<RF> ...
<Trip> Han has a tendency to lose his shit when an author wants to make his imp warlord skurry
<Bly> It was so hilarious
<whiskers> LOL
<sabarte> hahahahahahah
<Horsey> I also don't like how she's got superpower weapons
<Horsey> no more of those
<Loyal_Imperial> Me neither.
<Bly> Aye
<Trip> That's scary in redneck
<sabarte> It's Karen
<Loyal_Imperial> The Moffs were absurd.
<sabarte> she likes overwhelming tech advantages
<Trip> The remnant was absurd
<Loyal_Imperial> Waiting outside for Pellaeon to kick it.
<sabarte> see: triple zero
<Horsey> and I don't
<RF> 9_9
<sabarte> and various mando gadgets
<Trip> Is the remnant part of the GA?
<Bly> No
<Trip> I'm baffled
<Horsey> there was too much of it between the Mando armor shit and the big guns
<LordHydronium> Do I have to see Triple Zero? :P
<Trip> utterly baffled
<Loyal_Imperial> Baffling.
<becca> ...I'm sure the remnant WAS part of the GA
<becca> wasn't it?
<Loyal_Imperial> Well...
<Loyal_Imperial> Pellaeon was SC.
<Kagari> No?
<Bly> LH: nah, your version was accurate
<RF> I thought it was.
<Trip> That was the implication
<LordHydronium> It was as of Dark Nest, at least.
<Loyal_Imperial> Supreme Commander of the GADF.
<Bly> LI: SC?
<Bly> Ah, nvm
<Dunc> So, Pelly's death.
<Loyal_Imperial> Pelly heading the Defense Force sure makes it seem that way.
<Trip> XD
<Loyal_Imperial> He's dead.
<Loyal_Imperial> At 92.
<Bly> Yep
<Kagari> more than two paragraphs
<Loyal_Imperial> Love to see that holonet news page.
<Trip> Only good part
<Bly> so much for sixty being the new forty
<becca> I remember thinking it was cool they were part of it.
<LordHydronium> He retreated from life. :(
<Loyal_Imperial> Hah.
<Bly> :|
<Trip> I loved his dying words
<Trip> so damn lame
<Trip> poor pelly
<Trip> he fails even at that
<Jello> what were they?
<Trip> XD
<becca> He retreated, and when he couldn't retreat anymore, Daala CORPSENAPPED him and then kept retreating for him!
<Loyal_Imperial> "Go rot somewhere else, Villip"
<Bly> Anyone else wondering what Abel's thinking of his retcon being tossed out the window?
<Trip> Villip
<Trip> scathing!
<Trip> lol
<Bly> If I were him, I'd be pissed.
<Loyal_Imperial> So would I.
<Kagari> lol
<RF> Villip isn't even a curse. WTF.
<sabarte> wait
<sabarte> wait wait
<Loyal_Imperial> I'd retcon it right back.
<becca> If I were him, I'd get pissed
<becca> and then I woudln't care anymore.
<sabarte> Daala is Renastasian?!
<Bly> Though at least he kept Spar
<Loyal_Imperial> Yes.
<RF> "You dirty communications device!"
<sabarte> cool!!!
<Loyal_Imperial> THAT Renatasia.
<whiskers> Bly: I'd be annoyed, personally, if I were him
<Bly> I rather liked that character
<Loyal_Imperial> Lando's Renatasia.
<Havac> Actually, his last words were "Quille."
<Loyal_Imperial> Well, that too.
<LordHydronium> Shaquille?
<sabarte> :D :D :D
<Loyal_Imperial> Moff Quille.
<Trip> I still wish he'd called out to Mitty
<Bly> Moff Shaquille?
<RF> Shaq-fu!
<Trip> then
<Dunc> I thought Lando was Sacorran?
<Kobe> J'Quille?
<Trip> in the end
* sabarte is now happier with Revalations
<sabarte> a little
<becca> Shaq-attaq!
<McEwok> Daala did torture Han, remember?
<LordHydronium> Dunc: He is.
<sabarte> No, this is from the Lando trilogu
<Loyal_Imperial> From the Lando Triliogy.
<Loyal_Imperial> *Trilogy
<Dunc> ahh
<sabarte> it's a world the Imps destroyed, basically
* McEwok is slightly belated
<sabarte> in conquering
<Bly> Could Daala know Vuffi Raa?
<LordHydronium> Socorran, though. Not to be confused with Serroco or Saccorean. :P
<RF> A backwater colony planet.
<sabarte> and there's this mercenary sort that thinks it's Lando's fault
<sabarte> Of Vuffi Raa, probably
<Loyal_Imperial> She'd be one of the survivors.
<Bly> he did help destroy Rentasia
<sabarte> in his disguise
<Kobe> when I read Quille, I immediately thought of a SW character named J'Quille
<Loyal_Imperial> Probably.
<sabarte> Probably a kid of a survivor
<Horsey> Gentleman Gil annoyed me
<Trip> I liked Pelly & Daala's lil' song
<Horsey> someone referring to him as that
<Trip> It was so cute
<LordHydronium> Sounds like an old-timey boxer.
<Kobe> "Gil" period annoyed me
<Loyal_Imperial> Not sure on that.
<Trip> tum tum tum toom teem tum tum tum toom tee tum
<Bly> Yeah, same here
<Loyal_Imperial> Could be a young survivor.
<Kagari> Yep
<Loyal_Imperial> Otherwise she'd be under 59.
<Bly> He's PELLAEON, dammit! Not "Gil"!
<Trip> He'll always be pelly to me
<Bly> Sheesh
<Dunc> No one can spell Pellaeon
<Kagari> :|
<Loyal_Imperial> Pellaeon.
<Dunc> I can't.
<Loyal_Imperial> Pell + Aeon.
<Kobe> then Gilad
<LordHydronium> Hans Moleman > Gil.
<Bly> Pellaeon
<Bly> Pellaeon
<Bly> Pellaeon
<Bly> Pellaeon
<becca> can anyone confirm to me that daala mentions having a son and a granddaughter?
<Loyal_Imperial> Yes.
<Kobe> but not Gil
<Bly> Yes
<Loyal_Imperial> She does.
<RF> Pelly
<becca> HAHAHA!
<Dunc> Yes, Becca.
<Loyal_Imperial> The poor people.
<Kagari> becca yes
<Jello> Old Fuss and Failure
<Trip> It... spawned?
<becca> thanks
<Horsey> she does, bec
<Kagari> she does
<becca> that's...hilarious
<Loyal_Imperial> Yes, Trip.
<Bly> Trip: yep
<Loyal_Imperial> It spawned.
<Dunc> SPAWN OF DAALA!
<Loyal_Imperial> And the spawn spawned.
<Kagari> I had to read it twice
<Trip> Good lord
<Kagari> I was like wtf
<becca> Trip - those were my words exactly way back in the spoiler thread.
<sabarte> and yet again the youngest generation is female
<sabarte> where are the men?
<Bly> ...
<Loyal_Imperial> Gone.
<Bly> good question
<Loyal_Imperial> Long gone.
<sabarte> it's like they're trying to make a harem for ben or something
<becca> It's like...my favourite crack!theory.
<Loyal_Imperial> Hah.
<McEwok> Where was the Daalabrat mentioned?
<RF> ...
<becca> err, I mean crack!spoiler
<becca> in the book
<Kobe> "Gone 'Til November"
<sabarte> I mean the post-YJK generation
<Bly> end of the book, MCE
<becca> OMG - (daa)LabRat
<Dunc> Very briefly.
<becca> hur hur
<Kobe> lol bec
<Horsey> So is Daala now in charge of the Remnant?
<Loyal_Imperial> Nope.
<Bly> I hope not
<Kagari> No
<Loyal_Imperial> The Moffs are.
<becca> well she has all these prototype superwapons, I'm sure i can make some sort of joke...
<Horsey> I was a bit confused there
<Bly> Or the EMpire is fucked
<Horsey> but the Moffs were killed
<becca> oh god, the empire is really fucked if the moffs ar ein charge
<Kagari> Not all of them
<Bly> The Empire is fucked either way, becca
<sabarte> I dunno
<becca> they never agree on anything and it'll go back to being a petty, objectively evil type of place
<Trip> Well, they're forked until Soontir comes back
<sabarte> probably better than Daala :P
<Loyal_Imperial> Lecersen, Rosset, and Grand Moff What'sname are still alive.
<Trip> the remnant's always been a backwater useless poo hole
<whiskers> And Trip beat me to my thought.
<Dunc> Daala was just... what? Splinter force?
<Bly> I'm hoping that happens in Invincible, Trip
<Horsey> ah, so someone could come in and take over
<Bly> because that would totally redeem Denning in my eyes
<Trip> Speaking of Soontir
<Bly> Yeah?
<Trip> I might have to withdraw my support of the IWoD
<Havac> Soontir needs to get his ass in the Remnant.
<Loyal_Imperial> WHAT?
<Loyal_Imperial> WHAT?
<Loyal_Imperial> WHAT?
<Loyal_Imperial> WHAT?
<Loyal_Imperial> WHAT?
<Trip> Yes
<Horsey> Why?
<Bly> MWHAAAAAT?!?!?!
<Trip> Unless Denning fixes her
<Trip> which might happen
<Trip> but otherwise
<Bly> Whaddya mean "Fix"?
<becca> Is she *that* bad in Revelation?
<Loyal_Imperial> I didn't think so.
<Horsey> She's hardly in Revelation
<Bly> same
* Dunc changes topic to 'Revelation Chat . TOPIC: Jaina's adventures in Mando'ade..'
<Trip> Jag's better off impregnating Maarek's daughter before he dies
<Bly> apart from the Mando thing, she's not that bad
<Havac> Oh noes, she is has Mando freind!!!
<Horsey> she's in more than she usually is, but for the most part its not about her
<McEwok> brb
<McEwok> Jag/TK is starting to seem fun to me, though.
<Kagari> The early Jaina chapters SUCKED
<McEwok> Just as crack.
<Kagari> I was bored
<Dunc> That first-person bit... ugh
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<becca> really? that's diappointing to hear, Sey. I championed the bloody montage and now it's not even a big one? :(
<Bly> aye
<Trip> Dunc
<Trip> who's worse?
<Trip> Stackie or Traviss?
<Horsey> welcome, Darklighter
<whiskers> I wanted her to just go off on them after a while. Tear that super armor off of them with the Force and laugh.
<Loyal_Imperial> Traviss.
<Trip> With the first person shit?
<Bly> Stackie
* Horsey sets mode: +v Darklighter
<Darklighter> evening :-)
<Kagari> lol
<Dunc> Fett has NOT been hunting the Solos all her life. :P
<Bly> RC:HC was pretty dam good!
<Kagari> Yeah....
<Loyal_Imperial> SIRALT!
<Loyal_Imperial> That was his name.
<Bly> Who?
<Loyal_Imperial> The Grand Moffling.
<McEwok> Traviss.
<Bly> Ah
<Kagari> also, I still cant understand why the authors decided training with Fett was the best idea evar
<Loyal_Imperial> Grand Moff Siralt.
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<McEwok> What happened to Siralt?
<Bly> Kagari: because he'
<Loyal_Imperial> No clue.
* Horsey sets mode: +v larg
<McEwok> I just saw one line...?
<Trip> Kag
<Bly> is Boba Fett!
<Loyal_Imperial> Still kicking, I assume.
<Horsey> welcome, larg
<Bly> dammit
<Loyal_Imperial> Yes, McEwok.
<Loyal_Imperial> One line.
<Bly> fricken typos
<Trip> it's because Traviss is writing for this
<Trip> dur
<Kagari> lol
<Bly> :|
<Loyal_Imperial> He's one of the 2+ Grand Moffs.
<Jello> Trip, you sadden me.
<Jello> profoundly.
<Dunc> Because all that Mando stuff had to funnel into the A-plot somewhere. :P
<Bly> ...
<Trip> Jello, I kid
<Kagari> Traviss must worship Fett
<Trip> but only slightly
<Trip> I wanted to cry when she popped beer caps
<Horsey> let's stick with book topics and not author topics :)
<Bly> For God's sake, people, LFL APPROVED this.
<Trip> Like, Jaina, nooo!
<Trip> Bly, I know
<becca> LFL approving stuff doesn't make it good.
<Bly> So some of the blame lies with them,
<Trip> They're insane
<Trip> or asleep at the wheel
<Kagari> True
<Dunc> LFL approves a lot of things.
<Kagari> lol
<Kagari> LFL :(
<Dunc> That doesn't mean it was the best idea.
<Bly> so at least spread out the bashing a LITTLE.
<Loyal_Imperial> I'd like to know what they WOULDN'T approve.
<whiskers> Like continuity errors and outright rewrites
<Bly> ;)
<Loyal_Imperial> Borleias = banking world.
<McEwok> Trip, but don't you understand - popping beer-caps is what Jedi powers are *RIGHT* for, because they must be enslaved to the MANDO way!!!!111eleven!!!
<Kagari> Oh god, the plot holes
<Bly> whiskers: I DID prefer Abel's version
<Horsey> I was disappointed in the Jaina training
<Trip> Trust me, Leland's gotten plenty of flak lately, bly
<Loyal_Imperial> Confederation = almost nonexistant.
<Dunc> Gasp!
<Kagari> Horsey, me too
<Bly> GASP!!
<Horsey> I wanted to read about more of the fighting techniques and stuff
<Jello> she did... what?
<becca> Thing is, I'll put the blame for accidental continuity errors at LFL's feet but I disagree that we should render the author blameless.
<Kagari> It was kind of lame
<Horsey> it all seemed completely mental to me
<Loyal_Imperial> Jello: You haven't heard?
<Dunc> Don't tell, they'll exile you from Mandoland. ;)
<Trip> Jello, I told you
<becca> The author is still primarily in control of the content of the novel, plot, characterisation, creative decisions that are quite broad
<Darklighter> the jaina training certainly could have had more depth of detail
<Kagari> Kind of like it was just thrown in there to take up pages
<Bly> becca: I didn't say completely blameless, I just said to spread out the blame
<Loyal_Imperial> With the Force, Jello.
<whiskers> I haven't even read the article, I'm just ticked that a preestablished retcon was changed for seemingly no real reason.
<Trip> I'm almost to rooting for the young Ms. Stele
<becca> fair dos, bly
<RF> Ms. Stele... XD
<becca> what does jaina actually learn from the mandos, anwyay?
<McEwok> I think the blame can be evenly thrown at Traviss, LFL, and the Jaina/Jag 'shippers with the mysterious early copies.
<RF> YES.
<Horsey> This book was played up to be all about Jaina's training and it really wasn't
<Kagari> To be "different"
<Bly> becca: nothing specific
<Horsey> that's why I'm disappointed
<Trip> Becca, absolutely nothing
<Kagari> I got nothing
<Bly> just how to suckerpunch your enemies
<becca> so far it seems to be how to not be a jedi anymore, and how to fight with a huge unwiledy sword
<Trip> Speaking of which
<Bly> and go temporarily insane on demand
<Darklighter> besides the beviin jekyll and hyde issue
<Trip> When did Bobby ever kill Jedi?
<Horsey> she learns to go mad psycho
<Trip> Or is this some yet-to-occure bullshit?
<becca> well...she's already actually insane
<Dunc> ,...Sometime.
<Horsey> balls to the walls
<Loyal_Imperial> In the past.
<Trip> Like a pre-retcon?
<becca> so that shouldn't be too hard
<Loyal_Imperial> He tried with Mace.
<RF> Tales. :p
<becca> she has a death wish and no sense of personal mental space.
<whiskers> And failed with Jaden Korr...
<McEwok> Who, Jaina?
<Horsey> I wondered that too, Trip
<Loyal_Imperial> Didn't he have a lightsaber in his duel with Vader?
<whiskers> Or got bored and left.
<Trip> Because every single character goes on and on about how nobody's killed more Jedi than Fett
<RF> Tales referenced him Killing Jedi.
<becca> ewok, yes.
<Loyal_Imperial> Or did he pick that up on the way?
<Trip> and that Fett's spent a lifetime killing Jedi
<LordHydronium> And got KOed by a totally untrained Havet Storm. XD
<Trip> blah blah blah
<Trip> Like, the fuck?
<RF> Wait, what?
<Loyal_Imperial> RF: ?
<RF> Really?
<RF> What?
<Loyal_Imperial> RF: ?
<McEwok> I think the problem started with his lightsaber in _Tales_. I wish I could find the old discussion of that...
<Loyal_Imperial> What what?
<RF> He's never killed a Jedi on-screen.
<RF> Ever.
<Trip> Yeah
<Loyal_Imperial> On-screen, of course not.
<Kagari> lol
<Trip> Thus the confusion
<becca> I mean, I think Jaina's awesome, but...no sense of personal mental space at all. Which also...awesome.
<Loyal_Imperial> Off-screen.
<Loyal_Imperial> On Traviss's screen.
<RF> Off-screen, there aren't enough Jedi around for him to have killed many.
<Trip> Apparently, apparently he's just Greevy and Ventress all rolled into one
<Dunc> The Jedi-killing thing existed before traviss.
<RF> Maybe during the Purge he killed a few.
<Loyal_Imperial> Or a Durge.
<Bly> With cooler armor, Trip
<RF> But not many.
<Loyal_Imperial> That's it!
<Loyal_Imperial> Retcon x2!
<Loyal_Imperial> He's mistaken for Jango.
<Trip> And apparently the mandies are a whole race of Jedi-killers
<Bly> ...
<Kagari> haha
<Loyal_Imperial> Referencing Galidraan?
<Trip> Seriously
<Dunc> I think the main problem with the Fett/Mando stuff is what whiskers said before.
<Trip> Who the hell knows
<Jello> Trip, just to be sure, there isn't really a Miss Stele, yes?
<Loyal_Imperial> No.
<Horsey> Marly? are you upset about Tahiri?
<Bly> Dunc: I forget, what was that?
<Trip> Jello, no
<Loyal_Imperial> There isn't one.
<Trip> I made her up
<Jello> good
<Trip> But she > Jaya at this point
<whiskers> Stuffing the Mando=awesome down our throats
<Trip> unless Denning keeps up what he started in the invincible preview
<Horsey> yeah, I'd agree with that whiskers
<Horsey> it makes me resent them though
<Kagari> The Invinvible preview did nothing for me :(
<Loyal_Imperial> Haven't read it.
<Trip> It's pretty eh
<Kagari> Invincible, even
<Horsey> agreed
<Trip> but it at least gives me hope for troy fixing stuff
<whiskers> It almost makes me resent them.
<Trip> Since he has Jaina all suspicious of Fett
<Dunc> I am mostly apathatic to the whole mando thing, but this series has pushed it to the point where I just want to wince at every mention.
<Trip> and Fett back to being an ass
<RF> Sigh.
<Darklighter> mando culture is interesting... mando = awesome, not so much
<Loyal_Imperial> Too.
<RF> Fett was over his feud with the solos.
<Loyal_Imperial> Much.
<Loyal_Imperial> NABOO!
<RF> Like, completely over.
<Bly> I wish DKM wrote the Fett parts
<Bly> collaborated with Traviss, perhaps
<Bly> that'd be nice
<Trip> Darklighter, Mandie culture used to be interesting
<Horsey> I dislike the Mando culture
<RF> He wouldn't do that.
<becca> OMG, I would just *die* if DKM wrote more Fett.
<Bly> Trip: Now it's just SO overdone
<Horsey> when it boils down, they're no different from everyone else in the Galaxy
<whiskers> Bly: I have the trilogy, but haven't read it yet.
<becca> that would be aweosme
<Horsey> I liked thinking of them as different
<RF> DKM said before he doesn't like LFL editing, etc.
* Loyal_Imperial adds another popular writer to the list he doesn't like
<Trip> Back before Ms Traviss decided to warp them into her own personal Utopian Society
<Kagari> ;o
<Bly> RF: I know
<sabarte> Jango's killed a lot of Jedi, though
<McEwok> RF: wasn't the issue Bantam editing?
<Bly> it'd still be awesome, though
<RF> Yes.
<becca> speaking purely from previous Mandie-culture outings, the attitude that it's morally coherent bothers me.
<Dunc> McE: A lot of the same folks are still in charge
* McEwok wonders if "Naboo" was Karen trying to prove that the issue was Mandos rather than over-use. :p
<RF> But I don't think he'd get along with Traviss, based on their completely different takes on teh character...
<Loyal_Imperial> The Naboo thing nearly gave me a headache.
<Havac> McEwok: it wasn't even consistent, since a lot of stuff that got shot down for DKM got approved elsewhere.
<Loyal_Imperial> The worst one was the naval battle.
<Kagari> Yeah
<McEwok> Dunc: Rothman, Rostoni - but that's it, and Rothman hardly line-edits.
<Trip> Does Naboo = England?
<RF> Movie planet references *in general* are stupid.
<Dunc> Oh, everything bein naboo-that and Naboo-this?
<Loyal_Imperial> THE. CHARACTER. IS. A. MON CAL.
<McEwok> Havac: who edited the short-story volumes.
<Loyal_Imperial> REFERENCE. MON CALAMARI.
<Bly> KJA
<Loyal_Imperial> A. WATER. PLANET.
<Bly> @Mce
<Trip> No, his problem wasn't with KJA
<Bly> I know
<McEwok> Trip: I think Naboo = Cornwall or Naboo = Wales. Or maybe Naboo = Spain
<Bly> he liked him
<Horsey> lol
<Trip> KJA actually went out of his way to help him out
<RF> Mon Calamari? Is that in the Holocron?
<Havac> It was with whoever was above KJA.
<Loyal_Imperial> Naboo = Italy.
<Kagari> lol
<becca> DAMMIT I REFUSE TO COME FROM NABBO
<becca> NABOO
<Loyal_Imperial> Naboo is Italy.
<becca> GIVE ME A COOL PLANET TO COME FROM!
<McEwok> Naboobies!
<RF> Sounds like a Naboo-boo
<Loyal_Imperial> Coruscant.
<McEwok> Mandalore?
<Loyal_Imperial> Anaxes.
<becca> NO
<Loyal_Imperial> Atrisia.
<Dunc> Now I'm just confused
<becca> I SAID COOL
<Trip> McE, yeah
<Trip> maybe
<McEwok> Tern.
<McEwok> ;)
* Trip is slow again
<becca> Ewok...okay.
<becca> But I get to live near Al-Qion
* Dunc changes topic to 'Revelation Chat . TOPIC: ????.'
<Kagari> lol
<Horsey> I'm ok with Jaina and Mirta being friends
<Loyal_Imperial> TOPIC: NABOO!
<Trip> Oh, good topic
<whiskers> Al-Qadim. :P
<Bly> I like Mirta, actually
<Horsey> Let's talk Tahiri!
<Loyal_Imperial> Okay.
<Loyal_Imperial> That works.
<Bly> Sey: ok
<becca> whiskers - AD&D FTW!
<McEwok> becca: we'll see.
<Trip> So this is all the WTFs, right?
<Kobe> what'll be Tahiri's Sith name
<Loyal_Imperial> I didn't mind her in this book.
<Dunc> Yeah, Jaina and Mirta being pals is fine.
<Kagari> Tahiri needed to have a narrative perspective
<Horsey> I liked Tahiri in this
<Loyal_Imperial> Me too.
<becca> Darth I'm-Tricking-Jacen?
<Darklighter> pellaeon got the shaft, being axed by tahiri
<Trip> Jaina and Mirta being pals is not fine
<Horsey> Darth Villip
<Dunc> Darth nostaligia
<Loyal_Imperial> First time I wasn't waiting for her to die.
<Loyal_Imperial> Darth Vong.
<becca> Dunc - you win
<Loyal_Imperial> Vongerella!
<McEwok> Trip?
<Kobe> Darth Riina
<Loyal_Imperial> Darth Vongerella!
<Kagari> lol
<Dunc> Ehh, just kill her off.
<Trip> McE
<Trip> ?
<RF> Vongarella is already taken.
<Horsey> find something that you can turn 'Anakin' into
<Dunc> Kill them all off.
<Bly> I was rather irritated by how Tahiri was described as being this blonde bombshell...
<Trip> (This is so damn hard to follow)
<McEwok> What's wrong with Jaina/Mirta.
<Bly> who happened to be a Sith
<Horsey> all the YJK's?
<Dunc> Anacanned
<Trip> Ah
<Trip> What's wrong with them?
<Dunc> All the YJKs can die.
<Loyal_Imperial> Yes.
<Horsey> lol
<Loyal_Imperial> Well, most of them.
<Dunc> Except Jaina., maybe
<Horsey> Dark Nikana
<RF> Half already have.
<Loyal_Imperial> A few are worth keeping alive.
<Loyal_Imperial> The rest can go.
<Dunc> If she gets over the mando thing like she did the bugs
<Bly> LI: Like who?
<Trip> What's wrong is that the ENTIRE MANDIE SUBPLOT NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED
<Trip> ahem
<Bly> keep, I mean
<Dunc> RF: MORE.
<Loyal_Imperial> The Wookiee can stay, I guess.
<whiskers> Trip: I say toned down, personally.
<Horsey> Jag will knock the mando shit out of her
<Horsey> I have faith
<Loyal_Imperial> Didn't really mind him.
<Kagari> Toned down, yeah
<Dunc> Not literally, Horsey.
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<Trip> Well, i'm referencing Jaina's involvement
<Trip> Jaina going to train with fett
<becca> if it was toned down, though, where would it fit in?
<Bly> Sey: I don't doubt it
<Trip> is nonsensical
<Trip> and utterly indefensible from an IU standpoint
* Dunc sets mode: +v darth_sylar
<Loyal_Imperial> My biggest problem.
<Trip> Like, she never should have gone to Mandalore
<Trip> period
<Loyal_Imperial> She went to train with Fett BECAUSE HE WAS A MANDALORIAN.
<Loyal_Imperial> If anything, it should be because he's the galaxy's TOP BOUNTY HUNTER.
<Loyal_Imperial> Key difference there.
<Kagari> haha
<Trip> That would be vaguely more tolerable
<Trip> but not really
<Bly> Aye
<Loyal_Imperial> She wasn't undergoing bounty hunter training, she was taking Mando training.
<darth_sylar> And supposedly he is the best Jedi killer in the galaxy.
<Horsey> she kept repeating because of what he'd done with Jedi
<Loyal_Imperial> The former would have been more sensible.
<Loyal_Imperial> And at least vaguely tolerable.
<Trip> More than mandies, yeah
<Trip> but again, only very very slightly
<Loyal_Imperial> If he's the best, then at least it makes SOME sort of sense.
<Loyal_Imperial> But no.
<Trip> Since there are a thousand more logical people to go to
<Bly> Aw, crap, I gotta go
<Bly> see you guys
<Trip> Like, oh, Kyle
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<Trip> Jag
<darth_sylar> but what Jedi has he killed?
<Loyal_Imperial> It has to be because he's the Mandalorian's glorified war leader.
<Trip> darth_sylar, well
<Trip> you know...
<Loyal_Imperial> Kyle would have made sense.
<Trip> there was that one...
<Loyal_Imperial> Since he's...
<Trip> uh...
<RF> He hasn't killed any named ones.
<Trip> er...
<Loyal_Imperial> Killed Dark Jedi, you know.
<Trip> I mean, well, uh...
<darth_sylar> my point exactly.
<Loyal_Imperial> Desann, Tavion, Jerec and cronies....
<Trip> Well shoot
<RF> There was that one time....
<becca> if she wanted unusual fighting styles, let's see. Kyle. Saba.
<becca> to start with
<RF> Oh wait, she was a fake Jedi.
<Trip> he has to have killed a Jedi at some point!
<RF> Hmm...
<Trip> I mean, he's boba fett!
<Trip> RF
<Loyal_Imperial> Even Korr would have made sense.
<RF> Yes.
<Loyal_Imperial> He cut his way through a small army.
<Dunc> Surprising that hasn't been filled in.
<Trip> maybe she glanced through Twin Engines of Destruction
<Loyal_Imperial> Or assumed.
<RF> What about it?
<Trip> And didn't notice that it was a fake sith
<becca> honestly it irritates me that Jaina was a trickster strategist throughout NJO
<becca> what happened to that?
<Trip> and that it was Jodo Kast
<Loyal_Imperial> I didn't mind.
<Trip> and not fett
<Kagari> They screwed her over in LotF
<Kagari> :/
<Kagari> total
<LosDosMos> The same thing that happened to Tahiri being over Anakin's death
<becca> she should have been in the early books more
<RF> Trip, I meant Empire: Betrayal
<darth_sylar> right now the best Jedi killer alive in the galaxy is Jacen. He killed Nelani and Mara.
<Trip> Ah
<Loyal_Imperial> The whole series needed compacting.
<Jello> the good Betrayal, then
<Loyal_Imperial> This felt like a halfway point.
<RF> Only, Vader killed her.
<RF> :p
<becca> because, i see the appeal of having her show up at the end and be kick ass, just take up the reigns closer to the end
<becca> but...it needed more establishing
<becca> or at least for Revelation to be as focused on jaina as traitor was on Jacen or something
* RF imagines Boba Fett as written by Stover...
<darth_sylar> one of the biggest mistakes I feel was making the timeline all in a few months, not over a few years
* Loyal_Imperial hides
<becca> RF it'd be awesome and you know it!
<RF> Yes. I loved Traitor.
<Loyal_Imperial> It should have been years, yes.
* LordHydronium imagines Fenn Shysa as written by Stover...then realizes he won't have to. :D
<Dunc> I dunno. It seems awfully drawn-out
<Horsey> I'd rather Jacen wasn't in power that long
<Loyal_Imperial> Actually...
<Kagari> darth_sylar, which is why I'm concerned wtf they're going to do with the plot in Invincible
<Trip> A few months is good if you had authors who can work together
<Kagari> :/
<Loyal_Imperial> I'd have liked to see Niathal split four-five books ago.
<Horsey> at least this way Luke got rid of him in short order
<darth_sylar> and if the rumors of the length of Invincible are true..
<Loyal_Imperial> Remnant should've shown up in book three too.
<Trip> Horsey
<Loyal_Imperial> 299 pages.
<Loyal_Imperial> Way too short.
<Dunc> I think this author musical chair game has really backfired on them.
<Trip> I'm pulling for the Jacester
<Loyal_Imperial> Indeed.
<Kagari> 299 pages?
<sabarte> Yes
<Kagari> WTF
<Trip> 100%
<Loyal_Imperial> Luckily.
<Horsey> I know you are, Trip
<Loyal_Imperial> I think they've learned from this.
<Kagari> :|
<Trip> I hope he kills Jaya, the idiot
<LordHydronium> Eh, more happened in Inferno than most LOTF books to that point.
<RF> I thought they'd learned from the NJO
<Dunc> In theory... Yes. In reality, it's just like one bump after another.
<darth_sylar> its like 3 seperate trilogies, especially when you read the Traviss novels
<sabarte> They need, like, trilogy, single book while next trilogy's being written, trilogy
<RF> About plotting everything beforehand...
<Horsey> they've learned we as fans will buy and read anything
<LordHydronium> Page count doesn't mean much.
<whiskers> 299. That is just horrendous.
<Loyal_Imperial> RF: They did.
<Loyal_Imperial> They was better.
<Loyal_Imperial> *This
<RF> Yes...
<Loyal_Imperial> Now the next series will be better than this one.
<Dunc> 299 might be manuscript pages
<whiskers> Wow, that was some long lag.
<Loyal_Imperial> NJO was better than YJK.
<Trip> Wait, what?
<Dunc> That would come out to more in final layout
<Loyal_Imperial> LotF beats NJO.
<Horsey> page count means nothing, Rev was huge and full of shit
<Trip> lotiff as better than NJO?
<LordHydronium> I think people are spoiled at how lackadaisical the series has been to this point.
<Loyal_Imperial> Next series > LotF.
<Trip> LI, Li
<Loyal_Imperial> ?
<RF> Star Wars is 30 years old. They should be good at this by now.
<Dunc> Anything is better than YJK
* Trip shake shis head
<Trip> tsk
<Horsey> it could've been compacted into a shorter book with better content
<Dunc> Up to and including The Crystal Star
<Loyal_Imperial> The NJO bored me.
<Loyal_Imperial> Terribly.
<Trip> :P
<Trip> Fair enough
<Loyal_Imperial> No suspense.
<Loyal_Imperial> No excitement.
<darth_sylar> I hope there isnt a next series. just some trilogies and single novels
<Loyal_Imperial> Entirely too predictable.
<Dunc> The NJO was too scattered.
<LordHydronium> Just because it's moved at the pace of refrigerated molasses so far doesn't mean Denning has to keep that pace to close it.
<Loyal_Imperial> Little focus on the important stuff.
<Dunc> Too much going on, too many characters
<Dunc> TOO. MUCH.
<Loyal_Imperial> Exactly.
<Trip> So far as continuity or whatever goes, though, the NJO is a dream compared to loltiff
<Kagari> NJO got boring in parts
<Kagari> too many bad authors
<Trip> See, I like massive casts
<Trip> See Legacy
<Trip> the good one
<Loyal_Imperial> So do I.
<Loyal_Imperial> I just like them interesting.
<Loyal_Imperial> I hated half the NJO cast.
<Trip> Bah
<Dunc> Okay, okay, we need to get back to Revelation
<Trip> Actually, it's funny
<darth_sylar> While NJO had its flaws, I enjoyed it more than I have enjoyed LOTF as a whole
<Trip> I dislike the majority of the NJO books
<Trip> but as a series?
<Trip> It's great
<Trip> as an event, IU?
<Trip> Phenomenal
<Trip> Okay, Revelation
* Dunc changes topic to 'Revelation Chat . TOPIC: Ben..'
<Trip> sorry
<Trip> Hm
<Kagari> :X
<darth_sylar> and whats the point of making Tahiri, Caedus' apprentice now?
<Trip> Ben bores me immensely
<Loyal_Imperial> NJO another time. Ben = good.
<Kagari> I wanted to punch Ben
<Trip> so I shall sit this one out
<Loyal_Imperial> Detective Ben.
<Loyal_Imperial> Better than whiny Ben.
<Kagari> His parts were so annoying
<Dunc> I like Ben, but the first half ddn't really seem... ummm... all there to me.
<darth_sylar> Ben is the star of CSI: Coruscant
<sabarte> I still think he shouldn't have been force-sensitive
<Horsey> I liked Ben
<Kagari> lol
<Loyal_Imperial> Me too.
<whiskers> Ben was great
<Darklighter> officer ben, ordering jag and zekk...
<LordHydronium> I like Ben in 4 out of seven books so far. Give me good news. :(
<Dunc> He was better once he got to Endor
<Horsey> no that was how Ben thought of himself
<sabarte> but that's not really a revalations issue
<LosDosMos> I'm not sure I buy Ben as a "moral compass" this soon after Sacrifice and Inferno
<LordHydronium> Ben doesn't remember overhearing Lumiya. What is up with that?
<Trip> So, why did he forget about seeing Shira & Jacen together?
<Loyal_Imperial> Maybe he didn't.
<LordHydronium> That's not just a dropped ball, it's a fucking bowling ball on the foot.
<darth_sylar> I think this new detective Ben is the answer to non force sensative Ben, since they made him force sensative, they are trying to make it so he doesnt become a Jedi.
<Loyal_Imperial> I think it's the opposite.
<Kagari> So I was confused at the end of the book with Ben... with the whole Jacen and the confession where he said Mara came after him first...
<becca> i think ben had an excellent moral compas in sacrifice
<whiskers> darth_sylar: I certainly hope not
<becca> it was...skewed by what he'd beenlearning, but he *was* quesitoning
<Trip> Kag, that's something I want to discuss
<becca> and eventually worked out what was going on.
<darth_sylar> I hope not too.
<Trip> bring that up again
<Loyal_Imperial> They're making it so he can become a new kind of Jedi.
<Kagari> I don't know, maybe it's because I read it at 7 am
<Kagari> D:
<Trip> the jacen confession at the end
<Loyal_Imperial> What about it?
<Trip> I'll wait
<Loyal_Imperial> It fits.
<Trip> until this topic is over
<Horsey> pfft we already have Corran who's done stuff like that
<Horsey> he's not a 'new kind of Jedi'
<Kagari> Like the part
<Kagari> where Ben said something like
<Loyal_Imperial> Sure he is.
<Loyal_Imperial> Not useless.
<Kagari> .".... and he's not a bad guy"
<Kagari> or whatever
<Loyal_Imperial> A Jedi who isn't totally useless, completely new breed.
<Kagari> total confusion
<Horsey> the Jedi aren't totally useless now
<Trip> Horsey, the "Holocron" probably doesn't say Corran's a cop
<Loyal_Imperial> When was the last time we saw Jedi running law enforcement missions as they did in the OR?
<Horsey> no, but it should say he WAS a cop
<Trip> Well, that's what I ment
<Trip> meant
<Loyal_Imperial> Or doing something other than keeping track of their own rogues?
<Trip> it's probably an accidental omission or something
<Loyal_Imperial> They seem to be spending most of their time cleaning up after their own screwups.
<Trip> LI, are you... are you a Ruusan Order supporter?
<Horsey> wasn't he sent on a mission in the NJO because of his CorSec training?
<Loyal_Imperial> Not quite.
<darth_sylar> they are doing a bad job of cleaning up, i.e. Jacen
<Horsey> so it has been used before
<Trip> Oh, bummer
<Loyal_Imperial> In a way.
<Loyal_Imperial> Complicated.
<Loyal_Imperial> I'll explain another time/
<Trip> I was about to be excited
<Loyal_Imperial> I prefer it to the NJo.
<Loyal_Imperial> Greatly.
<Trip> I may be the only one
<Loyal_Imperial> Wait.
<Loyal_Imperial> Ruusan Order = PT ORder?
<Trip> Yeah
<Loyal_Imperial> Then yes.
<Loyal_Imperial> Very much so.
<Horsey> so what's the confusion with Ben's evidence?
<Trip> Oh, sweet
<Loyal_Imperial> Thought you meant Ruusan itself.
<Trip> you're forgiven your NJO disdain
<Trip> :P
<Loyal_Imperial> 1,000 BBY.
<Trip> No, I meant Ruusan Reformation
<Dunc> TOPIC?
<Loyal_Imperial> Niathal.
<Trip> Jacen's confession
<Horsey> Jacen's confession
<Loyal_Imperial> What about it?
<Trip> plz
<McEwok> Has Jacen actually done anything *illegal*
<Kagari> No?
<McEwok> I mean, except the Bothans... ;)
* Dunc changes topic to 'Revelation Chat . TOPIC: Jacen and Niathal.'
<becca> Yes
<Horsey> its not the illegality
<Kagari> At least I didnt think so
<Loyal_Imperial> Not that I can think of.
<Kagari> <_<
<Horsey> its the fact that he's a Sith
<darth_sylar> he snapped that LT. neck.
<Trip> Yeah, killing Tebut
<becca> screwing with the law to change the spirit of the laws of the land = crime
<Trip> that's about it
<Loyal_Imperial> So did Vader.
<becca> at least if it's on a par with USA legal systems
<Kagari> But the Mara thing
<LordHydronium> Killing Tebut was awesome.
<Loyal_Imperial> Don't think that works out as a crime.
<darth_sylar> and Vader isnt exactly Mr Morals.
<Kagari> She did technically threaten him first :X
<becca> you can't just make laws that change laws without approval
<Loyal_Imperial> If so, then Darth Lawyer can just change the law.
<Trip> Yeah, the mara thing
<Trip> okay
<McEwok> Summary justice may be within the rights of either warship captains or GAG officers.
<Loyal_Imperial> Probably is.
<LordHydronium> Jacen needs to freak out and kill people more often. I like him best then.
<becca> you can commit crimes against the constitution by attempting to implement unconstitutional laws, LI
<Loyal_Imperial> A holdover from the Imperial era.
<LordHydronium> Ailyn, Telbut...
<Trip> he's completely telling the truth in his confession
<Kagari> lol
<Trip> so, ...?
<LordHydronium> Insane murder suits him.
<Trip> Are we supposed to think he's bad?
<Loyal_Imperial> GA Constitution is probably different.
<Loyal_Imperial> I expect that it's looser with that sort of thing.
<McEwok> Trip: is he? Didn't *he* pursue Mara down there?
<Loyal_Imperial> Trip: No.
<Kagari> I didn't think so
<whiskers> For all we know, Aurra Sing was among those that "disappeared"
<Darklighter> dictatorhips do seem to have different constitutions...
<Loyal_Imperial> Don't think so.
<becca> That's an assumption. In other ways it seems to resemble earth law.
<darth_sylar> and what was up with him just admitting to anyone he is a Sith?
<Trip> No, he's in the right
<Trip> self-defense
<becca> well...USA and UK type law
<Trip> Mara was a forking lunatic
<Trip> She'd lost her shit
<Trip> totally
<Kagari> Yeah
<McEwok> Jacen is... mentally ill, and perhaps brainwashed by Lumiya.
<Trip> and he says so
<McEwok> Trip: agreed.
<Trip> and he's right
<Trip> So, ?
<Trip> I guess what I'm asking
<Kagari> which is what I think everyone realized at the end of the book...
<darth_sylar> I can't picture Palpisdious sitting in his office telling a random stormtrooper, "Hey, do you know I am a Sith Lord named Darth Sidious?"
<Kagari> or at least I think
<becca> most modern democracies make it illegal to willfully change the law so that it's no longer a democracy
<Trip> is, is Traviss clever than we give her credit for?
<Kagari> I mean, Jaina did say she wanted to think that Jacen instigated it
<Trip> Did she mean for Mara to be a deranged lunatic?
<becca> Sidious, now, he had the backing of the senate...a bit different. That *was* legal.
<Loyal_Imperial> Unintentionally, if so.
<LordHydronium> You sound like McEwok. :P
<Loyal_Imperial> Becca: What I'm attempting to say is....
<McEwok> It's not *traditionally* illegal in Senate democracy: ref. Palpatine.
<Loyal_Imperial> In their galaxy....
<Trip> Hydro, I know
<Trip> :P
<Trip> But seriously
<McEwok> Jacen *was* given his powers by the Senate.
<Trip> the confessional was weird
<Loyal_Imperial> I think their history has shown that they've reasons to need to change the constitution more easily than in our world.
<Trip> Jacen said exactly the impression I got
<Trip> So suddenly I'm like, eh? Was Mara going crazy intentional?
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<Dunc> Jacen has clearly not read the evil overlord tip sheet
<Kagari> lol
<Horsey> grrr I know Traviss addressed this illegal thing in Rev
<becca> LI - this government was set up by a group of Rebels massively dedicated to democracy. I severely doubt they'd have no provision for manipulating the law to render it undemocratic being a crime.
<Trip> Is Jacen supposed to be sympathetic?
<Kagari> speaking of that scene
<Horsey> I can't find the quote though
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<becca> If it's not illegal, it's stupid.
<Dunc> Horsey: Yes, he tells a droid to change the law
<McEwok> becca: this government was a wartime kludge in the NJO.
<McEwok> Trip: it's hard to tell. I agree.
* Dunc sets mode: +v Coffee
<Darklighter> call it a legal loophole
<Kagari> Why during the last few paragraphs did the author use Jacen again instead of Caedus? I was so confused
<Loyal_Imperial> Becca: Rebels > NR.
<Horsey> cuz I read it and thought "Gee she must be listening in on our chats cuz its like she's talking to Trip"
<whiskers> So, well Jaina sneak in through human-sized vent ducts?
<McEwok> Kagari: did she?
<Kagari> For like one sentence
<becca> And using a legal loophole to exploit the law thereby creating a dictatorship would, under any sane legal system, be a crime.
<Loyal_Imperial> The NR was considerably less...how shall we say...idealistic than the Rebels.
<McEwok> From what *patchworkz7* says in the spoiler thread, I think that KT *may* be OD'ing on narrative ambiguity.
<Trip> This government has been shit from the get-go
<Kagari> I thought it was an error
<McEwok> To Trip
<Dunc> So if McE is Denning, who here is Traviss? ;)
<Trip> McE
<Horsey> Sabs
<Darklighter> sith lord logic isn't always sane...
<McEwok> Dunc.
<Trip> That's where I got the idea
<Loyal_Imperial> Trip: Bingo.
<McEwok> Which was why she asked.
* Dunc is insulted.
<Horsey> lol
<Loyal_Imperial> The galaxy is a screwed-up place.
<Trip> well, I mean
<becca> The NR may have become less idealistic, but it was *formed* by the rebels
<Loyal_Imperial> And rightfully should be.
<Loyal_Imperial> Formed and changed.
<becca> USA is less idealistic than the founding fathers, probably, but the founding fathers were the ones who made up the original laws.
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<Dunc> I am not and have never been a Fettlover.
<darth_sylar> Sisious was pretty sane, IMO
<Trip> part of what got me thinking about maybe Traviss being more clever than I think