<Dunc> So, what do we think of Invincible?
<Loyal_Imperial> It was...okay?
<dgxxx> I'm halfway and it is better than the spoilers says
<Dunc> I found it rushed.
<Trip> It sounds like a worthwhile read...
<becca> I HATE that I love this book.
<Trip> Just for shits & grins, I mean
<Loyal_Imperial> The end felt rushed.
*Dunc raps Trip's knuckles
<becca> that pretty much sums up my entire feelings about it
<jawastew> it seemed like denning just wanted to get it over with
<Dunc> There seemed a lot missing.
<becca> yeah, the end needed ten more pages and the Daala thing needed not to be there
<Loyal_Imperial> The earlier parts seemed okay, but the last parts felt really...out there.
<Trip> Ow
<Dunc> Like, Corellia? They got what, two mentions?
<Trip> Poops & grins, then?
<Loyal_Imperial> Especially the bits with the Moffs.
*Uli changes topic to 'INVINCIBLE CHAT: NOW.'
<becca> I was actually okay with it being so compact and brief - just Ben & Tahiri and Jaina & Jacen
<Loyal_Imperial> And Daala.
<jawastew> randomly, at the end
<Dunc> I suspect they're setting something up with Daala
<becca> But yeah, the Daala thing...
<Uli> Something Daala-Dick Dastardly?
<becca> I'm terrified
<Dunc> At least, I HOPE.
<dgxxx> Daala -----> Fel dinasty
<Uli> With Boba as Mutley?
<Dunc> Because, I mean, this is DAALA.
<Trip> So, Dunc... were you as amused about Daala as I thought you'd be?
<Loyal_Imperial> Even offering it to Bwua'tu felt really weird.
<becca> Because the blurb for the next book is all "under the strong hand of admiral daala the galaxy knows a period of unknown peace..."
<jawastew> has the Corellian thing been resolved? ...did I MISS that in the series?
<becca> and I'm like, WTF?!!
<Dunc> Trip: I did laugh, yes.
<Trip> (that was the super-mind-blowing spoiler I was trying to tell you the other day)
<Uli> unknown peace? Does it use those exact words?
<becca> Dunc - you remember when we told you there was something you'd NEVER BELIEVE it was so INSANE ad you didn't believe us?
<becca> That was what we were talking about
<becca> Uli - something like that I'll go find it
<Dunc> Yeah, I was expecting way wackier than Daala, though
<Uli> Like Howard the Daala?
<Dunc> That was just... "Oh, jesus."
<Trip> I dunno. Daala's pretty wack.
<Trip> :P
<Loyal_Imperial> The nanovirus thing kinda came out of nowhere for me.
<becca> Oh come on, it might not be unbeatable on the *wacky* front but it was way more un*guessable*
<Dunc> They set up a lot of stuff. :P
<becca> come on, you NEVER would have guessed that, not in a billion years
<Loyal_Imperial> I mean, sure, Denning has his little liking for diseases, but that just seemed bizarre.
<becca> i actually didn't mind he nanovirus
<Dunc> Alpha Red: Part Duex.
<becca> it was a bit random but it worked well enough in the story
<jawastew> was denning the one that did alpha red?
<Loyal_Imperial> No, don't think so.
<Trip> No, that was a major NJO plot point
<Trip> Walter Jon Williams introduced it
<Loyal_Imperial> He did do the Killik disease thing, whatever they called it.
<Trip> But it was planned out long ahead of time
<becca> The Fizz
<Loyal_Imperial> That was it, fizz.
<jawastew> too many njo authors, I couldn't remember
<becca> I thought the nanovirus was at least in keeping with the setting and provided some sense-making reasons to keep Mirta alive and to provide that threat to the Hapans
<becca> if we're going to pick on crazy shit, I really wouldn't be picking on that one
<Loyal_Imperial> Well, yes, but the fact that it wasn't ever mentioned before bugged me.
<becca> Eh...I'm sort of beyond that being a defining problem for this series. :/
<Trip> The nanovirus didn't sound terribly implausible, given the descriptions later on
<Trip> It's not a virus, right?
<Trip> It's just itty bitty robot thingies?
<becca> it's like...nanobots that kill you
<becca> yeah
<dgxxx> so what about Luke's Force illusion? (Invincible)
<becca> Oh OY, Luke. Where do we BEGIN with him?
<Trip> 1) He's evil and needs to die
<jawastew> luke was weird in this one
<becca> Luke was DAMN weird
<Loyal_Imperial> Luke is always weird. He was just weirder than usual this time.
<Dunc> Trip. >:(
<becca> Luke was Paul Muad'dib rapidly heading towards Leto II
<Trip> It had to be said. :P
<jawastew> hahaha becca
<becca> *but not evil* and that's what creeped me out most
<dgxxx> "h doesnt breathe and doesnt blink" why nobody painted a mustache on him :D
<becca> IT'S TRUE AND YOU KNOW IT!
<becca> Or put fruit on his head when he wasn't paying attention. Did anyone else used ot do that to sleeping old people?
<becca> Okay...just me...
<Loyal_Imperial> No...
*Dunc snorts
<dgxxx> no..
<Dunc> Luke just felt... I don't know.
<Loyal_Imperial> Unlukelike?
<becca> But seriously - Blazing white eyes and dialogue that goes, "Mine...mine."
<Loyal_Imperial> Antilukish?
<Dunc> I think that's one thing that really suffered from the briefness of the book
<Trip> When does he say that?
<becca> where have we seen THAT before. (Not my catch, but a pertinent one nonetheless)
<becca> Trip - I'll find the quote
<Trip> What's the context?
<Dunc> Well, the one thing I actually wanted to read
<Trip> Okay
<dgxxx> now I'm in the part when Tahiri is torturing Ben
<dgxxx> and Shevu
<jawastew> poor shevu
<Dunc> HE'S FOURTEEN
<Dunc> FOUR. TEEN.
<Trip> haha Shevu
<jawastew> wait, how old is tahiri now?
*Trip was pleased to hear he died
<jawastew> i wanted tahiri to die
<Trip> Tahiri is... 28
<Trip> I think
<Dunc> I don't care how hard Traviss sledghammered the 'growing up' bit.
<jawastew> eep
<dgxxx> I want her to have a name
<Loyal_Imperial> Yep. Think so.
<dgxxx> "Darth hotness"
<Dunc> He's FOURTEEN and that scene was... ugh
<jawastew> pedophilia
<Dunc> yeah
<becca> See, I didn't mind that scene. It *was* ugh, but Tahiri didn't actually want to be doing it and I don't think she had any intention of going through with it
<becca> she was trying to find a way not to torture him
<Trip> Man
<dgxxx> wow Tahiri with Force Lighting?
<Dunc> Becca: Yeah, but it was still skeevy.
<Trip> I forgot that she was 28
<jawastew> lame
<jawastew> lame lame
<Trip> So did the authors, apparently
<becca> to be honest, the notion that leading him on is less sick than physical torture is...odd.
<dgxxx> hey no no don't kill Shevu!
<becca> Yeah it's skeevy but...I think that's the point. It's a horrible situation that neither of them wants to be in
<dgxxx> :(
<dgxxx> It's ur fault Trip
<Dunc> Shevu was plot fodder from day one
<Trip> :D
<jawastew> why can't tahiri be plot fodder?
<Dunc> Oh, Tahiri is too. IMO
<jawastew> i don't get what she adds to the series... o.O
<jawastew> another alema
<becca> Trip - "There /isn't/," Luke pivoted around and glared down on her with eyes that suddenly looked like a pair of sunsblzing up from a dark well. "And it's not your responsibility to worry about those lives. I'ts mine - /mine/, Jedi Solo. Is that clear?"
<jawastew> sans lekku...
<Dunc> Denning loves him some YJK/JJK?
<dgxxx> boners to Ben
<Trip> Day-um
*Dunc smacks dgxxx
<Trip> Lukie's gone psycho
<dgxxx> :|
<Trip> Dunc - he sure has an odd way of showing it
<becca> Trip - context is that Jaina has just asked if there was a way to avoid having to sacrifice people to keep Luke's visions on the straight and narrow so Caedus didn't get onto his maniuplation of them
<Trip> :P
<becca> which, you know, is a GOOD THING TO BE ASKING
<becca> Jaina's basically like, "Is there a way we can avoid these peopel dying just so I can retain the element of surprise?"
<Dunc> I dunno. I didn't think SbS was all that, either.
<McEwok> So, Luke's making crazy psycho calls on the basis of Force visions?
<Loyal_Imperial> Seems that way.
<becca> Yes, McEwok.
<McEwok> And Luke gets all Sith eyes?
<jawastew> they're just dark
<McEwok> Oh, bloody FUCKING hell.
<Loyal_Imperial> Err, glowing, sounds like.
<McEwok> L_I.
<Loyal_Imperial> Not Sith eyes.
*McEwok coughs.
<becca> Well, his eyes are described as dark, like...very dark most of the time
<dgxxx> tahiri is going bonkers
<McEwok> Tatooine GHOST
<becca> then in *this* moment, they glow bright white
<becca> like leia's tatooine ghost eyes YES
<Loyal_Imperial> Oh.
<Dunc> Luke has to have visions to misdirect Jacen.
<jawastew> dark glowy spectruum
<becca> he even says "Mine - mine!"
<Dunc> It is rather Duneish
<McEwok> He does, becca?
<Trip> What really sucks is you know nothing will ever come of it
<becca> McEwok - read the dialogue I typed
<becca> "mine - /mine/ Jedi solo, do you understand?"
<McEwok> Whoah.
<becca> it *can't* be a coincidence
<McEwok> No, no way.
<Trip> I mean, I could almost get excited about Luke going... weird
<Loyal_Imperial> Wait, what was the Tatooine Ghost vision?
<McEwok> That's... actually making this make more sense.
<Trip> Except it'll be dropped
<Loyal_Imperial> Refresh my memory?
<Trip> Since they'll never let him go "bad"
<becca> Trip that is EXACTLY HOW I FEEL
<McEwok> It's the _Tempest_ vision, part 1.
<becca> because they cannot possibly go anywhere with this.
<Trip> McE - also the TG vision
<Trip> Yeah
<becca> Leia sees a white-eyed sith lord reaching out and saying, "mine, mine," referring to her children
<McEwok> Trip, yeah, that's what I meant:...
<Trip> I've been anti-Luke for forever... I should feel vindicated/excited/whatever
<McEwok> It's explicitly Luke in TG.
<Trip> Instead I'm just "meh."
<Trip> Whatever.
<Dunc> That was in Tempest, too?
<McEwok> Yeah. When Jacen was looking at the clouds.
<Loyal_Imperial> Uh, wow...
<becca> But for the first time, I *BELIEVE* Luke could go evil. Which makes me wish that 1) they hadn't done that already in DE an 2) they hadn't just DONE their big irredeemable evil thang
<Loyal_Imperial> Is that...a reference, I see?
<McEwok> What, LI?
<becca> Hang on - is it explicity luke in TG?
<McEwok> Yes, becca.
*McEwok laughs.
<Loyal_Imperial> LotF referencing past works done well.
<becca> I thought it was supposed to be the Emperor...
<Loyal_Imperial> I am shocked.
<McEwok> Seriously, you people FORGOT this.
<jawastew> because TG was forgettable
<becca> I didn't forget it! I just bought it up!
<Dunc> I haven't read TG in ages
<McEwok> No, it's Vader, Palpatine, Luke.
<becca> I figured you KNEW this!
<Trip> Here, want me to post the quote?
<Loyal_Imperial> TG is easy to forget.
<Trip> From TG?
<Loyal_Imperial> Sure.
<McEwok> It's initially foreshadowing for DE.
<Loyal_Imperial> Supposedly.
<becca> yes, please do
<McEwok> Though it was a different set of Sith in TUF.
<Loyal_Imperial> Seems that's been changed again.
<Trip> " As Chewbacca worked to raise the proper filters, the static faded from a roar to a crackle, then softened to a hiss, which rose and fell in a sharp rhythm. Puzzled by the odd snickering sound, Leia glanced over at the master comm console and found the reception indicator still scanning for signals. She leaned forward against her crash webbing. "
<McEwok> Of course, who's White Eyes now? Farmboy? ;)
<Trip> "Han, do you hear..."
<Trip> No sound came from her mouth. The snicker became a deep chuckle, and a nebula of black gas began to gather in front of the Falcon. Han showed no reaction to it. Neither did Chewbacca, even when it coalesced into the cowl of a Jedi cloak.
<Trip> "Han! Don't you see..."
<Trip> Again, her voice made no sound. Glaring out from beneath the cowl, the twin suns looked more than ever like eyes-heartless eyes, full of malice and power lust. Where the cloud was thin, crooked streaks of purple radiance created the impression of a twisted mouth and wrinkled face.
<Trip> The mouth rose at the corners. "Mine."
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<Trip> The voice was cruel and distinct and rife with dark side power. Leia gasped-silently-and tried to raise an arm that had suddenly grown as heavy as the Falcon.
<Trip> The smile became a sneer. "Mine."
<Trip> Still, neither Han nor Chewbacca seemed to notice what was happening. Leia would have screamed, had her mouth been willing to obey.
<Trip> The nebula began to thicken, and the purple wrinkles faded behind its inky veil. The twin suns dimmed to darkness, and the black cloud assumed the shape of a familiar mask-a mask of harsh angles and obsidian sheen, framed by the long, flaring neck apron of an equally black helmet. Vader's helmet.
<Trip> A chill wave of nausea washed over Leia. The curved eye lenses grew transparent, but instead of the blazing brightness of Tatooine's twin suns-or the angry red-rimmed gaze of Darth Vader-she found herself looking into her brother's soft blue eyes. "Luke! What are you..."
<Trip> o.O
<Trip> Holy shit...
<Trip> It /was/ Luke!
<Trip> Explicitly!
<Loyal_Imperial> Wow...
<Trip> I totally forgot this!
<Loyal_Imperial> Wait!
<Loyal_Imperial> Denning did TG, didn't he?
<Trip> Yeah.
<becca> I don't think Luke will go evil, but it DOES make me like the notion that the reason Jacen killed Luke in all his future visions was because Luke DID go evil. So Jacen saved the galaxy from Evil Luke, and the white eyes and words are a...holdover in between realities?
<Loyal_Imperial> Then it *is* him!
<becca> HOLY SHIT
<becca> you're right
<Trip> Her question remained as silent as the others she had asked. Luke's eyes grew hollow and hard and haunted, and the helmet moved slowly from side to side. Blue flickers of electricity snaked across the speech circuits behind the respiratory screen, but his words were rendered nearly inaudible by static crackling. Leia made out something about not following and staying out of darkness; then...
<Trip> ...Luke fell silent again. She tried to tell him that his equipment was malfunctioning, that his voice had been obscured, but before she could find a way to make herself heard, the helmet stopped moving.
<Trip> Luke locked gazes and held her transfixed for what might have been seconds... or minutes... his eyes now the lifeless blue of ice. Leia grew cold, and frightened, and the mask dissolved back into the black nothingness of space, leaving her to stare out once again into the mind-stabbing brilliance of the Tatoo system's twin suns.
<Loyal_Imperial> That's no accidental reference, that was definitely intentional.
<jawastew> maybe luke saved himself from that vision
<jawastew> by sending Jaina
<jawastew> instead of doing the deed himself
<McEwok> Pff.
<Trip> It's the prologue to TG, even
<jawastew> since he saw himself going that direction if he went
<McEwok> Moral hypocrite.
<becca> that's probably the boring explanation
<jawastew> ;)
<Trip> So... Jacen went "dark" to keep Luke from going "dark..."
<becca> I think the more interesting one is that this is his Sith Self and he was gettting closer to it during the novel
<becca> and yeah
<Trip> And, think about it...
<becca> I think that Jacen stopped that reality by going dark himself
<Trip> In SW, /you cannot defeat a vision of the future/
<Trip> You always make it come true but trying to stop it
<jawastew> i'm not giving jacen enough credit for that
<becca> Except that Jacen has
<Trip> Or has he?
<becca> Well...not really since the vision did come true after a fact
<sabarte> He's not killing Luke now, f'shure
<sabarte> :P
<Dunc> Always? :P
<becca> I don't believe that Luke will go bad, but we did get him saying those words and such
<Trip> Hey, sabs... you guys want Annie to be resurrected
<Loyal_Imperial> sabarte: Unless he comes back from the dead as a Force Ghost. Marka Ragnos and such.
<Trip> I'm gonna start a "resurrect Jacen!" club
<jawastew> he's always in the brink of going bad
<Trip> :P
<becca> the problem is, as trip identified, they've FINALLY managed to makeme believe this stuff, but there's *nowhere it can go*
<sabarte> I don't want him to be resurrected
<Loyal_Imperial> Why not, becca?
<Dunc> Zombie Star Wars
<Trip> Ooh... Maybe Jacen didn't see himself in the vision
<sabarte> I think the Sal-Solo thing was an obvious and natural opportuinity for him to be cloned and a different character to be created
<sabarte> "boba", as it were :P
<Dunc> Aaron would love it. :D
<Trip> Maybe it was Anakin
<becca> Because there's no way they can possibly do EvilLuke without hitting the following problems:
<sabarte> and I'm pissed it didn't happen :P
<Trip> Killing Luke
<Trip> Maybe legacy!Luke is Anakin?
<becca> 1) he'd have to be redeemed which would cheapen the whole thing from the outset: no real sense of danger
<Loyal_Imperial> Not really.
<Dunc> And again: DE
<Loyal_Imperial> But continue.
<becca> no - dude, there is *no way* they'd let him be evil forever
<Trip> LI - do you /really/ think LFL would let Luke go dark and die?
<becca> 2) they already did this in DE so it would cheapen the whole thing if it wasn't "for real"
<Trip> Or just go dark?
<Loyal_Imperial> All he has to do is isolate himself on Tatooine and go hermit style to avoid contaminating the galaxy with his dark power.
<Loyal_Imperial> Gets him out of the picture, and they never have to write his death.
<becca> 3) they just *did* the "main character goes evil and gets killed" epic plot. they can't immediately repeat that.
<sabarte> Plus he's a force ghost in Legacy
<sabarte> and fairly farmboy-like still
<McEwok> Or a Force-projection?
<jawastew> GL did it... LoTF did it...
<Dunc> We need a break. :P
<becca> I mean, really, 9-book series about Jacen goin gevil and dying, let's follow it up with a 9-book series abotu LUKE doing the SAME THING!
<Loyal_Imperial> sabarte: Two words, Anakin Skywalker.
<becca> But if they ignore the characterisation in Invincible, then...that's a crying shame
<becca> and to be hoenst, if they just show Luke "having worked through it," I'm also...gonna be disappointed.
<Dunc> Maybe we'll finally get an intropective-Luke book
<Trip> Is that even Luke?
<becca> it's...a painted-in corner, even though it's *stellar* within the novel itself.
<Trip> In Legacy?
<Trip> They never say his name, do they?
<Dunc> IF (please) they quit it with the big series and just give us standalones
<Dunc> MF the first...
<becca> Well, MF at least mentions Luke trying to work out why Jacen went bad
<becca> we *might* get some sort of revelation there
<Dunc> Then a Luke and Ben book...
<becca> Jaina book is needed
<Dunc> Then something else (probably Fett)
<dgxxx> they have to explore more the new Jaina
<Dunc> Jag and Jaina... Zekk...
<jawastew> Invincible was like a jaina book
<becca> Yeah, but in terms of post-INvincible standalones
<becca> plus the way it was written, she's *assumed* the mantle of the sword by killing jacen, not fulfilled that prophecy
<Uli> Regarding Legacy Luke
<Uli> Perhaps... if we assume he *did* go dark
<Uli> When Cade says;
<Uli> "And that's not a good place for a Skywalker to be *is it*?" takes on a different light?
<Dunc> Interesting
<becca> But I just...I can't compute DR actually having Luke go dark. My brain refuses.
<Uli> Also luke's assertion that: "I know all about the dark side. More than you."
<Loyal_Imperial> I can.
<becca> At *this* point, despite how awesome it is in the novel itself, I don't think darkluke is a great idea for the franchise
<Loyal_Imperial> It makes sense, if one takes it as a way for them to avoid killing him off.
<McEwok> They've stretched it for too long, though.
<becca> mainly because LOTF showed they have no capacity to write subtle and note-entirely-evil darkness
<McEwok> Can we have a poll: who thinks Luke is *already* Dark?
<becca> Me
<Trip> Ooh ooh me!
<Loyal_Imperial> Me.
<Uli> I don't know
<Trip> :P
<Uli> abstain
*McEwok three
<Dunc> abstain
<becca> It's like I said - he's Leto II from DUNE.
<dgxxx> aye
<Kobe> Luke is a chair
<Kobe> :p
<becca> so that's five yes and two abstains and one chair...
<Uli> The Siege Perilous?
<Trip> Well, I don't necessarily mean "dark"
<McEwok> So... three dark, two abstain, two Leto II, and one chair.
<Trip> I think it's a silly descriptor anyway
<Dunc> The YJK quotes
<Trip> I do think he's, you know
<dgxxx> hey what about that Invincible book?
<McEwok> "Eeeeevil"? :P
<Trip> /bad/
<becca> And if they want to write him that way, then awesome, but that type of character doesn't really exist in SW
<Loyal_Imperial> Five dark, McEwok.
<becca> Okay - Jaina!
<Dunc> JACEN'S BAD JOKES
<Loyal_Imperial> She's on the cover.
<Dunc> They just made me want him to die even more
<Loyal_Imperial> She uses her lightsaber like a broom.
<becca> Can I point out that she applied the same pick-and-choose approach to Luke's Jedi Advice as she does to the Mando Advice and for EXACTLY THE SAME REASONS?
<Loyal_Imperial> You can.
<becca> And also yes, she uses her lightsaber as a broom. It was very fantasia.
<jawastew> the jokes were always bad
*becca points this out
<jawastew> 14... 30whatever
<Dunc> I know. But still. Jacen was never cool.
<Dunc> NEVER
<Loyal_Imperial> A pity, really.
<becca> He was cool in Traitor!
<Trip> liar
<Dunc> Why mourn? At least they got some use out of him
<dgxxx> he won the Vong war
<dgxxx> :P
<Trip> ( @ dunc )
<jawastew> he was cool in traitor
<jawastew> and then it's all downhill from there
<becca> but was he *cool* while doing it? Was he wearing Sunglasses and a Leather Jacket?
<Uli> Jacen and Jaina went up the hill?
<Loyal_Imperial> His term as Sith Lord was his big chance, but it never really went anywhere.
<Loyal_Imperial> He was always too human.
<becca> I loved the scene where he killed Isolder
*Uli blames the authors describing Jacen dossing about reading magazines
<jawastew> poor isolder
<jawastew> people died left and right
<Loyal_Imperial> Yes, that did come to mind when writing that, Uli.
<becca> that scene was...the way he always should have been portrayed
*Trip blames the authors making Jacen the most insecure and needy Sith Lord ever
<Uli> Didn't sacrifice have in him the bath, too?
<Trip> And by authors I mean Traviss
<becca> *he doesn't want to kill him*
<Loyal_Imperial> Think so, Uli.
<Uli> Or was that some crazy fanfic I read
<becca> in the bath EATING TAKE AWAY and drawing pictures in the STEAM
*Dunc snorts
<Uli> I remember him playing with tassels, in a bath
<Loyal_Imperial> Darth Mundane.
<Trip> Are you guys serious.
<Uli> and I was like: "wait, what?"
<McEwok> Sounds like _Bloodlines_.
<Dunc> The tassels just vanished, didn't they?
<Loyal_Imperial> Yes, Trip.
<becca> No, I think it was Sacrifice
<Loyal_Imperial> We are.
<Loyal_Imperial> Sadly.
<Trip> Gah.
<Uli> I mean, Perry had Vader naked
<dgxxx> the tassels were just.. er..
<Dunc> Ben was looking at mags in Bloodlines
<dgxxx> nothing
<becca> I KNOW WHAT YOU SAW! /RD
<Trip> I thought Leia and Mara discussing low-fat food was bad enough.
<Dunc> wait, what?
<McEwok> The tassels were... completely different in the first two novels, and dropped due to incoherence.
<McEwok> ?
<Dunc> Maybe.
<Loyal_Imperial> Well, that I have no problem with, but the Evil Overlord should not be discussing magazines or taking baths where the reader can see him.
<Uli> the hassle with tassels
<Trip> In /Sacrifice,/ Dunc
<Dunc> I don't mind the magazine thing
<becca> Well, when planning to murder one's sister-in-law's son, calorie contents is DEATHLY important
<Dunc> The bath was a bit... :\
<McEwok> Okay... I gotta go...
<Loyal_Imperial> Night, McEwok.
<becca> Bye McEwok!
<Uli> night McE
<Dunc> Calorie counts is a bit much
<becca> Remember how insane Luke is now!
<becca> Dunc - I do't think they mentioned calories, just "low fat" or something
<Dunc> ..okay
<Trip> Bye, McE
<McEwok> Who knows?
<McEwok> Who cares?
<McEwok> ;)
<dgxxx> night
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<becca> But really, guys, am I the only one who liked that Isolder scene? I liked how Jacen was portrayed there.
<Dunc> I like the Isolder scene
<Trip> "Let's find a stupidly expensive restaurant and forget the fat content."
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<becca> It was really *interesting* for once. Jacen was...more like in Betrayal. He really didn't want to kill Isolder, and tried really hard not to
<Trip> (Leia)
<becca> Hav!
<Trip> That's what I was thinking of
<becca> you're late for the chat!
<Loyal_Imperial> Evening, Havac.
<Dunc> Poor guy got more dignity going out than he ever did in COPL
<Trip> Also, Jacen orders low-fat take-out for his bathtub scene
<Havac> Hey.
<becca> True, he was made into a good character there
<Dunc> Trip: Oh, that's not so bad
<becca> Trip, yes he does
<Dunc> The resturant thing. I remember the takeout
<Loyal_Imperial> Which page was this again, just out of curiosity?
<Trip> Yeah, it's not as bad as I was lead to believe
<Loyal_Imperial> Isolder, that is.
<Uli> I think that sort of stuff is pretty bad
<Trip> Stumble told me low-fat is talked about like fifteen times
<Uli> it's fanfic material, not novel material. IMO.
<Trip> She tends to exaggerate
<Dunc> Maybe so.
<Uli> the novels should focus on the epic
<Dunc> It's not like Naboo or anything
<Uli> the mythic
<Uli> not the mundane
<Dunc> Speaking of... EXPOSITION
<Uli> the mundane can be left to the fan's imaginations
<Trip> I don't mind the mundane
<Trip> except when it's lame
<Uli> going to the shitter is the same for everyone
<sabarte> =YES.
<becca> mundlame
<Havac> I like the mundane.
<sabarte> mythic, not mundane
<Dunc> How often do we have to hear about Han and Leia and how they're Jaina's parents and they're fab?
<Havac> You just have to have the mythic too.
<Uli> The mundane just... doesn't work.
<becca> many times.
<Dunc> This is the last book of a nine-book series. WE KNOW.
<becca> but honestly, i didn't mind it too much on account of i missed leia and han.
<Uli> It'd be like... like seeing Luke going to throw up after his fight wiht Vader
<Uli> it's unnecessary
<becca> plus I thougth it was hilarious that Jaina got outflirted by her sixty year old MOM
<Trip> Probably because Han & Leia (mostly Leia) are dreadful parents?
<Uli> and it's obvious padding in novels
<Dunc> I really hate exposition, period. I was able to overlook it in, say, Betrayal
<Havac> Becca: that was more Denning oddness.
<becca> I KNOW
<Trip> So Denning had to convince us that they're not?
<Dunc> But by now? WE KNOW.
<becca> But it at least made me arch an eyebrow and laugh
<jawastew> for the people that picked up EU at LoTF?
<Dunc> Less telling, more showing
<Havac> Denning does that kind of stuff a lot.
<becca> Hav - you missed it earlier, but you know how luke has blazing white eyes and says "mine - mine"?
<Havac> Yeah.
<Dunc> Becca: He can read the log
<becca> and how there was talk about the TG vision?
<Dunc> We've moved on.
<Trip> Yeah, the TG vision is Luke, explicitly
<Havac> Yeah, I saw that.
<Havac> It was . . . a cool twist.
<becca> ah - well read the log then, but basically yeah - Luke. :/
<becca> yeah, cool enough to mention before returning to the surreality of sixty year old hooker leia...
<Havac> I didn't mind Luke, really.
<Havac> He just had this awesome sort of wizard war thing going on against Jacen. Like, constant mental warfare.
<becca> I LOVED Luke. I just...I hate that none of this'll be picked up on in later books, I don't think.
<becca> eh, he was weird.
<Trip> Also, evil.
<becca> He kept giving Jaina Mando advice.
<Havac> You always say that, Trip.
<dgxxx> ok back Crusade is over
<Uli> Whoa
<Trip> :P
<becca> Whoa?
<Uli> Luke is going Gandalf when Gandalf was going weird?
<Uli> Wasn't there a bit where Gandalf went really weird?
<becca> when did Gandalf go weird?
<Uli> I only ever read LotR once
<becca> no, he just fought a balrog and died
<dgxxx> when he was Gandalf the white
<Dunc> gray
<becca> then came back. he never went weird.
<Uli> Didn't he... like become really withdrawn and moody for a while after looking into the orb thing
<Havac> He doesn't really go that weird.
<Uli> and scary
<becca> no
<Uli> damn
<Havac> The Palantir? No.
<Dunc> Galadrial?
<Uli> I remember her, because the film freaked me the shit out, but that's not what I was thinking of.
<dgxxx> oh The Clone Wars made the local news :D
<Dunc> "All shall love me and despair!"
<Trip> Gandalf went evil, yeah
<becca> So what do we all make of Jaina, then, and her "drawing on love," schtick?
<Uli> Was it enar the beginning?
<Havac> It didn't bother me.
<Trip> No, it's in the second book
<Trip> after he dies
<becca> oh, me either
<Havac> Love is the candle that . . . . whatever whatever.
<Trip> then he comes back and is evil and stuff
<becca> i certainly don't think she went dark or anything so silly
<Trip> But nobody notices
<Uli> okay
<Trip> except me
<becca> the text was fairly clear in its intentions to be portraying her as doing the "right" thing
<Trip> I noticed
<Trip> :|
<becca> but I think it's interesting that she goes against Luke's explicit instructions?
<Trip> What were Luke's instructions?
<Uli> Heh
<Uli> you know, re; Jaina and love
<Uli> anyone else got the He-Man She-Ra movie song in their head now?
<becca> he goes on and on about not letting herself be ruled by emotions of either extreme
<becca> goes on this whole jag about attachments and how her worrying for her parents is bad she has to trust them to tdo their job
<becca> and how if she does let herself get rules by love or hate she might end up evil
<Trip> Ah.
<Trip> Thanks.
<becca> to be honest, Jaina is not Luke and Jacen is not Lumiya.
*sabarte just doesn't like Denning's take on the EU.
<becca> I'm not sure that Luke was aware of that though...
<sabarte> It's not...heroic monomyth enough :P
<Uli> http://youtube.com/watch?v=p8ZcmMK64Ok She-Ra as Jaina? :P
<Havac> I think that Luke was saying whatever he felt he needed to say to get the right result.
<becca> sabs - that's why we have legacy! :p
<Uli> He-Man as ... Jacen?
<becca> I'm not sure how I feel about that though?
<Trip> Legacy. Feh.
<dgxxx> dead He-Man
<sabarte> It's just...
<Trip> How dare they tie the hands of the novels.
<Havac> So he doesn't want her to get completely overwhelmed by love, so he warns her strongly enough to make just enough of a point?
<sabarte> I'd almost like it better if Denning was forced to write in the PT era :P
<sabarte> exclusively
<becca> I dunno, that scene came off a little creepy to me, but I think the bigger reason I'm picking up on it
<becca> is that Jaina considers and discards his advice on enteiring the battlefield, then follows it later
<becca> she makes judgement calls that *exactly* mirror her thought processes when deciding whether or not to pay attention to Mando advice on being detached
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<becca> And...if Luke is telling her what he wants in order to get the result he wants, regardless of what's most *healthy* for her that's...an interesting point to note?
<becca> I dunno. The whole thing is just a bit weird in my head.
<jawastew> i got that whole.. everyone is a pawn of luke's grand scheme feeling
<becca> So, votes: BattleSun Odyssey - shout out to Battlestar Galactica?
<Dunc> Totally
<becca> Jawa - So did I, absolutely. I'mjust...not sure how to feel about that?
<Loyal_Imperial> Yep.
<Hav> Obnoxious.
<Trip> Ew
<jawastew> it made me uncomfortable, 1 because i really like luke! and 2 that's.. creepy...
<becca> the shout out or the pawns thing?
<Trip> what now?
<Hav> I prefer it when people can at least be subtle about their allusions.
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<Trip> BattleSun Odyssey?
<becca> Fair dos. I kinda liked it cus it was a one-time amusing thing
<Dunc> Yeah, if it becomes a running joke...
<becca> Trip: Leia snarks when someone says to distract Caedus, "what are we supposed to do, beam down the latest episode of BattleSun Odyssey," or something
<Dunc> But just for a one-off, it was cute.
<Trip> Ew
<Loyal_Imperial> Uh, yeah...
<Loyal_Imperial> Too obvious.
<Trip> That's just dumb
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<Trip> But then, I liked /The Voyages of the VSD Protector/... :P
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<dgxxx> the hell? cantina t heme?
<becca> You know, I kind of wish that Jaina had actually gotten to use her shatterpoint ability after she learned it...
<Uli> Haha
<jawastew> why did she learn it?
<Uli> Kara "Starkiller" Thrace?
<Trip> Oh yeah, I wanted to ask about that...
<Havac> That was odd.
<dgxxx> ohh Ben
<Havac> I only noticed after I was finished that . . . she never used it.
<Trip> Did Denning screw up shatterpoints as much as I've heard?
<becca> Cus Luke offered and you don't turn that kind of thing down?
<jawastew> chapter filler!
<Havac> It would have been awesome if she could see Jacen's shatterpoint, but . . . it was completely irrelevant.
<jawastew> totally useless!
<jawastew> yes
<jawastew> yes it was
<becca> Trip, nto really, he just only spoke about the physical application
<becca> It could have been a great endgame to the duel with Jacen
<becca> yeah, exactly
<Dunc> Chapter filler for a book that otherwise... had no filler
<Dunc> Weird.
<becca> like at the end, when she makes amove that she knows will kill him but that he can't counter either
<Trip> I don't recall Mace ever really using at in a literal sense...
<becca> ...couldn't that have been a shatterpoint type moment?
<Havac> Yeah. Denning also did seem to misunderstand it.
<jawastew> jacen's death was so anti climatic
<Havac> To be about physical shatterpoints rather than the shatterpoints of events.
<dgxxx> huh? Why is Ben ordering drinks like James Bond?
<jawastew> to get a hot date
<Loyal_Imperial> Skywalker. Ben Skywalker?
<becca> no, neither do I, but I also don't find that I have a problem with it being literal too
<Havac> God, that was creepy.
<Loyal_Imperial> Too many references.
<Havac> Denning and his twentysomething women hitting on 14-year-old boys.
<Havac> That was just pervy.
<Trip> Denning's really random...
<becca> in my head I'm just pretending that Ben looks about 17... :/
<becca> like, I don't mind Tahiri so much because that whole situation was screwed up and she didn't actually *mean* it
<Havac> Yeah . . . .
<becca> I also tend to assume that the Zel twins are largely just being playful and teasing him to wind him up for a laugh
<jawastew> yeah
<jawastew> i agree...
<Dunc> The twins would have been less creepy if it hadn't been for the Tahiri scene
<Trip> I don't get why they went with the condensed timeline, if they wanted to do stuff like this...
<Trip> Not that it matters to me
<Havac> Well, yeah, the twins are just those people who flirt with everyone as a shtick.
<Havac> But it's still creepy.
<Havac> Especially with Time and Earthknight around.
<Dunc> They were clearly harmless (to Ben) but after... ugh.
<becca> I honestly find Luke acting like his son IS an adult to be creepier.
<jawastew> the shower scene was the creepiest for me
<Dunc> Well, Luke isn't hitting on him.
<dgxxx> Red hair twins with Ben!
<becca> EEEW!
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<jawastew> sonisteam or whatever
<sabarte> as I've said many times
<dgxxx> *with
<Dunc> That's an important factor.
<sabarte> complete lack of forward planning in the EU
<Trip> Luke considers Ben an adult?
<Dunc> Hi, Movus
<becca> Well he repeatedly references him as a Jedi Knight
<jawastew> Ben says something to that effect
<Movus> Hi!
<jawastew> "Thanks for not treating me like a kid"
<jawastew> blah blah blah
<jawastew> at the end
<Trip> 9_9
<becca> he sends him into a situation where he KNOWS his son will get captured by the GAG because his son made him promise not to give him special treatment
<Trip> It fits, anyway
<jawastew> pawn
<becca> the kid is 14. I don't care what he's done, he's a KID.
<Trip> Luke can't really handle responsibility
<Trip> of that sort
<Dunc> Is that any different than Anakin Solo?
<becca> He needs a PARENT.
<dgxxx> why is everyone hittin on Ben? _:P
<Trip> He's always been like that
<Dunc> I mean, really?
<becca> Yes, because Anakin was 16 and everyone kept mentioning that he oughtn't be doing what he's doing.
<Havac> I don't see a problem.
<jawastew> only difference dunc, it's his son
<Trip> Yeah
<Loyal_Imperial> Me neither.
<becca> and was 17 by the time he led a mission and even then it was...dubious and that was *discussed*
<Havac> Obi-Wan was going on missions younger.
<Movus> In the YJK books, they were all doing as much as Ben is doing at the same age......
<Trip> With Anakin, it was at least acknowledged
<becca> It's less that he's going on missions in dangerous environments
<Havac> Anakin was 14 when he was slicing through Vong on Ithor.
<jawastew> they did crazy things in the Jedi Academy trilogy
<becca> I have no problem iwth that
<jawastew> at like.. 2
<becca> he was 15, but that's not my problem.
<Trip> Hav - sixteen
<Trip> Fifteen, yeah
<Trip> sorry
<becca> I KNOW that Ben will be having adventures, that's all fine
<becca> it's that he gets knighted and effectively, apparently, made independent that bothers me
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<Uli> Ben spoke as a man before council before his fifteenth year day - he's Conan.
<Trip> Like I said, though... it does fit Luke's character
<sabarte> well, you know
*Uli pre-empts Hav
<Uli> NOT CANON CONAN
<Trip> D'you remember when he knighted all the YJK in Destiny's Way?
<sabarte> they wiped out the YJK generation as protaganists to a man
<sabarte> so
<marasolo> Conan was kind of funny though
<Trip> Just... because?
*sabarte shrugs
<becca> with the solo kids there was discussion about how they were too young. And Anakin was running off without permission or getting into situations he shoudln't be in
<Trip> To get them out of his hair, I guess?
<becca> then at 17 he leads a mission everyone's...dubious about
<Trip> Even all of them were confused as hell
<becca> so yeah, it's the fact that he's been Knighted and is off on his own, rather than as a guy under training that bugs me
<Havac> I would have strongly preferred that he spend more time as an apprentice.
<Trip> *any time
<becca> that kid's been through hell, he needs a parent figure.
<sabarte> They wouldn't have had to do ridiculous "early adulthood" stuff if they'd sanely spaced generations.
<becca> and *ntohing* in that novel would have needed changing if Ben were referred to as Apprentice Skywalker not Jedi Skywalker. He still could have been sent on the missions he's sent on.
*becca will drop her pet peeve now
<jawastew> becca, I think that's what REALLY bothers me about luke using people as pawns... even his kid isn't safe from it
<becca> yeah, that too
<Trip> I think what really bothers me is that at this point they're all but yelling LUKE IS A BAD MAN
<Trip> And people still think he's a perfect hero
<Trip> (In Lit I mean)
<becca> and, i have no idea if that's what they're trying to yell.
<marasolo> Invincible could have used more of what was going on inside Luke's head I think
<sabarte> ...yeah
<becca> i actually don't think that he's a bad man. I think that he's...confusing.
<jawastew> i still like luke..
<becca> like, I don't believe he's trying to do anything inherently evil. He's *saving* people.
<sabarte> I think they don't know how to write him.
<becca> But he's also creeping me out something chronic.
<Trip> I don't think he's evil. I never really have.
<jawastew> i think we've needed luke introspection for quite a few books now
<Trip> I think he's a hypocrite. I think he lacks almost any sort of empathy whatsoever.
<marasolo> He was totally on the verge of being all evil this time around
<Trip> I think he's very self-centered.
<becca> I think the problem is that Luke's character changed mightily between ESB and ROTJ, and ROTJ Luke isn't the farmboy we all want to read about
<jawastew> err, yeah but he's got more coherence as a character in the trilogy than in the EU
<sabarte> No, I want to read about ROTJ Luke grown up.
<Trip> Eh, Luke was kind of a dick in ESB, even
<sabarte> I'm just not sure the EU has nailed him.
<marasolo> This was very ROTJ luke, wasn't it? Like you don't know what or why he does stuff
<Trip> remember when he went AWOL?
<Trip> Without telling anyone?
<Uli> AWORY?
<Uli> damn, missed the L
*Uli curses
<becca> Okay, sabs - fair point. I guess what I mean is that it's harder to write ROTJ Luke? He's more complicated? *he's* the one they're getting wrong?
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<becca> Trip in BFC?
<becca> I'm readin ghtat now
<marasolo> I always like the beginning of ROTJ when he gives the droids over to Jabba, very wtf for them
<Trip> No, in ESB
<becca> Oh, right
<Trip> When he goes to Dagobah
<Trip> He's a squadron commander.
<Loyal_Imperial> Evening, RF.
<RF> ESB is on right now.
<sabarte> Yeah.
<Trip> And he /sneaks off without telling anyone./
<RF> Hey.
<becca> Hey RF! Welcome to the Invincible Chat!
<RF> :p
<sabarte> I think I, Jedi did a good job
<becca> we shoudl probably get back on topic...
<Trip> He even lies to Wedge.
<RF> Yeah, he does.
<RF> That rat.
<Trip> "Oh yeah, Wedge, sure, I'll meet you at the rendezvous."
<dgxxx> Ben is with the Hapan girls
<Trip> This is not something a responsible CO does.
<jawastew> they've been grappling how to make luke into some jedi grand master
<jawastew> the transition period has been long and unsuccessful
<sabarte> Yeah.
*Trip will shut up about Luke now.
<sabarte> Well, actually
<sabarte> they've been trying to kill him
<sabarte> and never getting permission
<becca> you'd think they'd have given up by now
<Trip> Heh.
<sabarte> so there's this endless cycle of "We can't kill Luke so let's kill X instead"
<Trip> Maybe that's why the make him meaner and meaner.
<Trip> More and more unlikeable.
<jawastew> he's supposed to rebuild the jedi order and nothin's working in that direction
<Trip> There's a shadow-war between the licensees and the bigwigs.
<becca> So I have to admit, I was more affected by Jaina holding Jacen's corpse than I thought I would...
<jawastew> jedis dying left and right, goign to the dark side
<Trip> Eventually, one of them will break!
<RF> Conspiracy theory?
<RF> :p
<becca> yeah, plus he keeps rebuilding it more and more liek the OJO which...failed.
<becca> it's a sort of weird metatextual issue - as we find out more about the OJO, we make Luke's JO more like it!
<jawastew> they do that with everything though
<Trip> Well, to be fair, his NJO was pretty fucked up right at the beginning
<RF> I think that's because the authors see the PT, and they're like "woah" and then they put stuff into the NJO.
<marasolo> Which I hate!
<dgxxx> Double X?
<jawastew> as the PT stuff comes into light, it's wormed into the EU
<becca> ditto
<jawastew> as if it's always been there
<RF> Yes.
<sabarte> I don't know
<RF> That gets annoying.
<sabarte> The YJK generation is gone
<becca> It doesn't make sense either
<jawastew> and it's irritating
<RF> The PT doesn't have to be everywhere.
<sabarte> Ben doesn't -have- a generation
<sabarte> Yes.
<becca> I miss mulitcoloured lightsabers!
<dgxxx> who's double x?
<sabarte> The PT needs to stay in the PT
<jawastew> yes
<jawastew> it does
<Trip> Eh
<becca> dgx - the torture droid
<dgxxx> oh
<Trip> Again, i think it makes some sense
<Trip> IU
<jawastew> suddenly naboo is everywhere
<jawastew> and shatterpoint, REALLY?
<jawastew> come on
<becca> yeah, because they find out more and mimic it, but that just shows that they're sheeeeep.
<Trip> The NJO was originally modeled on the KotOR-era order
<Trip> From Arca & Nomi's time
<becca> I liked the shatterpoint thing! the only thing wrong with it is that Jaina never used it in her final duel with Jacen!
<RF> Shatterpoints are as old as the ANH Radio Drama...
<Trip> Which... was pretty godawful
<becca> Oh I love that thing!
<RF> Mace Windu style Shatterpoints, I mean.
<RF> Vader mentions them.
<RF> Though he doesn't call them shatterpoints.
<becca> in his awesome RD voice.
<jawastew> that's why I don't like it.. she didn't even use it
<Trip> So it makes sense that Luke would adopt stuff from the Ruusan Order as he finds out about it.
<jawastew> so it was just put in there
<jawastew> to have it in there
<RF> So Obi-wan's death may be a shatterpoint.
<RF> Which I really like.
<Trip> RF - apparently (from what I'm told) Denning's shatterpoints are literal
<RF> Yes.
<Trip> Like, Luke can shatter stuff.
<RF> I know.
<Trip> 9_9
<RF> But I'm talking real shatterpoints. :p
<RF> Force Shatterpoints.
<becca> I think that perhaps he put it in there in an effort to power up Jaina a bit, to start getting her some respec' and jedi street cred
<RF> Vader calls it a "nexus in the Force" or something like that.
<becca> but really, she sould have used it against jacen
<Trip> Yeah, I remember that.
<marasolo> Vader liked his drama
<jawastew> probably becca
<becca> yeah, a nexus in the force with many possible futures or something
<Uli> RDarth Vader is my father
<jawastew> if she had exploded jacen
<Uli> I hope
<jawastew> into a million pieces
<becca> RadioDramaVader > ALL THINGS EVER
<jawastew> that would have been good
<becca> Uli: And mine.
*Uli high fives
<marasolo> There wouldn't have been anything for her to hold dramatically though
<becca> You should change our family tree to reflect this.
<jawastew> the pieces!
<Uli> I have
<Trip> ANHRadioDramaVader > All things ever
<becca> yay!
<Trip> :P
<Uli> that's what it already says
<Uli> ESB RadioDramaVader is awesome too
<becca> Trip - okay, amendment accepted though he was still cool in ESB
<Trip> Eh, he was too spazzy for me
<becca> marasolo: the Shatterpoint ability ought to apply to moments in time and people too
<becca> this si the first time it'sonly been used on items
<Trip> Not laconic enough
<Uli> "ASTROIDS DO NOT CONCERN ME ADMIRAL! I want that SHIP not excussesssss!"
<marasolo> That'd be cool
<becca> so she could have seen the shatterpoint of the fight, for instnace
<marasolo> Ahhhh
<Uli> Red hot angry Vader was awesome.
<becca> brb
<Trip> marasolo - basically, shatterpoints are not what Denning thinks they are. :P
<Trip> Although they are now.
<Trip> I guess.
<marasolo> Neither of us got the memo on it :-P
<Uli> all he did was extend the meaning
<Uli> *shrug*
<Uli> you can see them in the Force and in physical objects now
*Uli shrugs
<Uli> it's not really a huge concern, I don't think
<Trip> No, I don't have a problem with it in general
<marasolo> Isn't that how the whole SW story goes? Things like that embellished now and then?
<marasolo> Whether or not you like it...
<jawastew> that's eu! take the idea and run with it
<jawastew> run it into the ground..
<Uli> "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force"
<Uli> KJA "Hmmmmmm"
<marasolo> lol
<jawastew> yes...
*Uli is now known as Uli|BriefStudy
<Havac> I want to see Jaina use shatterpoint to destroy a planet now.
<Havac> *poke*
<becca> yeah, like, she goes to the polar ice cap and...tap
<Havac> *BOOM!*
<becca> crumble
<jawastew> jaina.. the new death star
<becca> so what did everyone make of jacen's death aside from the lack of shatterpoints?
<marasolo> *That's* what he meant by sword of the jedi...
<becca> i wasn't...thrilled by the needles.
<jawastew> hahaha
<becca> that was just silly and really distracted me...
<jawastew> couldn't you picture that though?
<jawastew> lol
<jawastew> yeah
<Trip> lol
<jawastew> only good thing about it
<Trip> I love Denning's sight gags
<marasolo> ICk
<Trip> And by love I mean love/hate
<RF> Syringes?
<Trip> they somehow amuse me more than Allston's
<jawastew> by that point, he just needed to die
<jawastew> it was boring
<becca> yeah, needles syrninges...whichever
*Trip thinks of Aurra Sing in a top hat and chortles
<becca> it was...silly
<marasolo> Definitely on the bizarre side
<jawastew> it wasn't big battle in anticipation because he'd already been half destroyed halfway through the book
<becca> i wish the fight had been longer, honestly, since hte first fight had jaina powered up by luke
<jawastew> "Oops, can't kill him now.. we have another 200 pages to write.."
<marasolo> They had to keep the page count under 300
<marasolo> Which was a bummer
<becca> i mena, i'm picking at random things that I'd have liked for preference rather than serious complains, but I wish that the twins had *spoken*
<Trip> So... "Boba" is effectively exiled from Mandalore, eh?
<RF> Good. Now he can go retire.
<becca> you know, "Jacen, you were my brother, I loved you!"
<Trip> Isn't that just a teens bit *convenient* for certain parties?
<RF> Like he was supposed to. 20 years ago.
<Trip> :D
<Trip> *teensy
<becca> marasolo - you know that for a fact? any reason why it couldn't be longer than three hundred?
<marasolo> I was jk
<becca> aaah, okay, sorry!
<jawastew> I'm going to be Mirta Gev for halloween!
<Trip> Certain parties who are gay?
<Trip> And surnamed Beviin?
<Trip> :D
<marasolo> Sorry.... I got it on Tuesday and was going to finish it then, but didn't want the last book to be done in a day.. So i finished it yesterday
<becca> "boba" won't retire though. because as we keep getting told the mandos aren't tied to mandalore
<becca> so he can just be mandalore and have even MORE angst. oh JOY
<jawastew> he could retire
<Trip> No
<Trip> It means that Goran Beviin can now step in as Mandalore
<marasolo> Oh but his angst and joy was soo much fun
<Trip> after his pawn played his part in reuiniting the clans
<RF> Hahahahaha
<becca> his clones pawn
<Trip> all is proceeding as Krayt has forseen...
<Trip> :D
<becca> cloned
<marasolo> Felt bad for the guy that had the crush on Jaina...
<Trip> Except, Beviin doesn't want to be a Sith stooge
<marasolo> and Zekk
<Trip> Because who else gets killed in the plague?
<becca> yeah, I really REALLY hope that Zekk doesn't come back evil. that woudl be utterly lame.
<Trip> Oh, yeah. Venku.
<becca> Trip we have no idea
<becca> like really
<marasolo> And already done for him
<Trip> His Sith watchdog!
<Trip> :D
<Loyal_Imperial> He already did evil.
<sabarte> I suspect Venku will live
<becca> no, venku will probably be saved by that doctor jedidude
<RF> Bah. The Fett "family" is boring.
<dgxxx> an Imp is going to tell Jacen about the nanovirus
<Loyal_Imperial> Yeah.
<sabarte> It'd be almost appropriate if he didn't
<marasolo> They could always come up with a cure for it
<sabarte> but...
<Trip> Yep. But, he'll now know that Beviin is trying to double-cross the Sith.
<RF> I think it'd be hilarious if Fett wrote his memoirs.
<Trip> So: cue Mandalorian Civil War!
<Trip> :D
<RF> And lived off the proceeds for the rest of his life.
<RF> :p
<Trip> heh
<sabarte> another random radio drama note:
<becca> he already has enough moeny to live for the rest of his life...
<Trip> "I remember when I was a boy, I had an eel..."
<RF> "Boba Fett: The Last One Standing"
<sabarte> Lando still needs to kill Fett, like he promised
<RF> Yes.
<becca> yes.
<jawastew> was lando mentioned in lotf at all?
<sabarte> yes
<becca> yes
<RF> Allston.
<Trip> yes. :|
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