<sabarte> Flipping through
<sabarte> the second Vader scene actually rocks. The first one bothered me.
<Jello> wait a minute so the chat starts, and then I'll ask you to explain :p
<Dunc> ...
<Dunc> ...
<Dunc> ...
<sabarte> There we go
<sabarte> "honeyed" as an adjective
<sabarte> that completely threw me out of the scene
<Jello> Vader was honeyed?
<sabarte> because...no :P
<sabarte> Yeah
<Dunc> CHAT IS NOW
<sabarte> his tone was
<Muuurgh> I blame the Elomin. :-P
<Jello> Awesome.
<Horsey> What was the phrase?
<Jello> Vader is so adorable with his silken/honeyed/velvety voice
<Dunc> ...Wow
<sabarte> "The honeyed tone became contemplative, almost introspective"
<Dunc> Reaves is a Vader-luster?
<sabarte> Nothing wrong with the characterization.
<sabarte> That adjective bugged me a lot :P
<Jello> a Vader what?
<Jello> one who lusts after?
<Horsey> lol
<jawastew> Reaves does that though.. uses weird adjectives
<Dunc> That's that b-grade fanfic phrasing. Particularly with Vader
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<Jello> I thought it was cute :-(
<The4dotelipsis> Pfah.
<The4dotelipsis> It's accurate.
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<Dunc> 4dot: Explain yourself
<sabarte> :P
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<The4dotelipsis> Provided we're talking ESB Vader.
<Jello> Yes.
<Jello> my thoughts exactly
<The4dotelipsis> I dunno, I thought those adjectives fit fairly well when describing JEJ's delivery.
<Jello> he was painstakingly polite in that one
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<Jello> "Perhaps you think you're being treated unfairly?"
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<jawastew> that is an awesome line..
<Jello> and "Good, it'd be unfortunate if I had to leave a garrison here"
<Horsey> hi moore
<jawastew> I would say it's velvety
<Jello> both of them fit the JT characterization perfectly
<Jello> exactly
<mlgmoore> good evening Horsey
<Horsey> I loved the Vader characterization and everything about how the characters thought of him
<Jello> "if you please" sounded a bit too monocle-like, but still do-able
<Horsey> I thought it all fit incredibly well
<Havac> I like Scarily Polite Yet Still Unimaginably Terrifying Vader.
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<Horsey> I have a crush on Jax
<The4dotelipsis> I suppose, when it comes down to it, it is a bit out of place in the progression of Vader, but it services the book better than any other Vader, really.
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<The4dotelipsis> His interaction with Rhinann was very good, actually, because he wasn't treating him like dirt.
<Horsey> The last paragraph on him describing why he needed to keep doing what he was doing and not leave....oh man that was AWESOME
<Jello> what was that?
<Horsey> mine?
<Jello> yes
<Horsey> hang on I'll type it up
<Muuurgh> This is talking about Jax, right?
<Horsey> I am
<Horsey> I think 4dot is talking about Vader
<Havac> We're talking about Rhinann.
<Havac> And Vader.
<Havac> Not about Horsey's crush.
<Broox> I think the crush warrants more discussion
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<Muuurgh> The part where Nick meets Vader was probably my favorite Vader moment in this book.
<Broox> It was, Vader came across as a BA and did next to nothing
<The4dotelipsis> Yes, the whole darkness/Vastor comparison thing.
<The4dotelipsis> It's been a while since I read Shatterpoint...
<Horsey> "I'm a Jedi. I'm sworn to help those in need, to uphold the Jedi Code. The Empire has decimated my Order - but they're not going to drive me off the planet. If Vader thinks I'm dead, well and good. I certainly won't go out of my way to attract his attention. But if he thinks otherwise, and is willing to expend this much time and energy on finding me - then somehow, someway I'm a threat to...
<Horsey> ...him. And I'm not going to learn why or how I am, or how to use it against him, but hiding out in the Rift somewhere."
<Jello> that was a get scene
<The4dotelipsis> Is Nick's characterization faithful to that?
<Broox> I thought so
<Broox> but it has been awhile since I read it as well
<jawastew> I remember not being too impressed overall with Jax
<Trip> RE: Vader
<Trip> I have yet to read the book
<Broox> Horsey, you did or did no like that paragraph?
<Horsey> He is a complete jackass at the beginning. (Jax)
<Trip> but you guys said he sounds almost /too/ polite, right?
<Trip> Stiff-ish?
<Horsey> I loved that paragraph. I thought it turned him completely around from how he started off.
<Broox> It was the one bit of the book that seemed rather cliche to me
<The4dotelipsis> Not "stiff-ish," just courteous. It didn't really feel forced to me, but...eh.
<Trip> Well, I'm saying...
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<Dunc> Hi Bly
<Bly> Hey
<Trip> it'd make sense if he's maybe overly polite at this point
<Bly> Sorry i'm late
<jawastew> Jax was just kind of.. blah. Nothing special, kind of a cliche Jedi
<Trip> "if you please" and all
<Dunc> s;okay
<Trip> it's not yet natural to him
<Bly> Vader was badASS in this book.
<Bly> And Jax was a bit of a jerk
<Trip> since Anakin was an uncultured dick
<Broox> In my opinion I-5 was the main character
<Horsey> he was not a cliche Jedi if he was a jerk or an ass
<Trip> Vader has to /think/ about being polite at this point
<jawastew> i liked I-5 here a lot
<Bly> Broox: I5 was my favorite character
<Bly> I5 and Den
<Bly> and maybe Nick
<Bly> and Kaird
<Trip> and so uses, eh, cliched phraseology
<Trip> anyway
<Trip> carry one
<Trip> *on
<Horsey> I am an idiot and did not remember that I-5 was in other books....
<Bly> OK, pretty much everyone save Jax, Laranth and Rhinnan :p
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<jawastew> sorry horsey, I don't remember him being an ass more than I do him being unimpressive as a main character
<Broox> The I-5/Den pairing was great (crosses fingers that no slash ever becomes of it)
<jawastew> Den's jealousy was cute
* Muuurgh googles.
<Bly> Any ideas as to what those Feral Droids were saying?
<Jello> "uncultured dick" haha
<Bly> I5 says it was "Word salad"
<Horsey> meh, I don't tend to like those that others like so I'm unconcerned
<Bly> but I think it might have been something more.
<jawastew> gibberish
<Horsey> I've liked Cade from the beginning and it took awhile for more to warm up to him
<Broox> Bly, so it was the new characters that sucked!
<Broox> I agree.
<Trip> feral droids, what?
<Bly> End of the book
<Bly> Renegade Droids in the Factory District
<Trip> of what sort?
<Bly> Pretty scary, in all honesty
<Bly> Erm...there was an 8D9
<Bly> *8D8
<Bly> a BLX-99
<Trip> oh
<jawastew> we've got 2 more books and you're right.. that last paragraph there does give him more conviction as a character, SO maybe he'll brighten up some in the last two
<Bly> several, actually
<Trip> drat
<Trip> I was imagining rogue seppie droids
<Muuurgh> Wasn't it BXL-99?
<The4dotelipsis> Well, just an 8D, actually. 8D8 is an individual.
<Bly> and several generic "maintance" droids
<Bly> 4dot: no, it said "an 8d8 smelting operator"
<Bly> I always assumed 8d8 was the series line
<Bly> But, whatever.
<Broox> they went to the great maker in the sky I suppose
<The4dotelipsis> Yeah, that's a mistake in the book.
<Bly> Trip: That would actually be pretty cool.
<Trip> it would
<Havac> Jax really was an unimpressive character.
<Havac> He was the weakest point in the book.
<Bly> Agreed.
<jawastew> i agree..
<Broox> What was everyone's thoughts on the anti-human/humanoid perspective?
<Bly> I actually rather disliked him
<Broox> *anti
<Horsey> I think we're supposed to dislike him
<Horsey> he was written as an uncaring ass
<Havac> He wasn't that interesting, and he was kind of a dick.
<Havac> He didn't come off as a Jedi at all.
<The4dotelipsis> Well, actually.
<Horsey> until the end
<The4dotelipsis> If we didn't have Shadow Hunter, I think he'd come across as less of a dick.
<jawastew> I liked the anti-human criticism stuff
<Bly> Sey: well, they succeded :p
<Havac> Not a Jedi, not a bad Jedi, not a Jedi on the run . . . just an average dick with Force powers.
<Broox> I liked it as well
<Broox> it has only been presented a couple times befire
<Havac> I think even without Shadow Hunter . . . he's just kind of this unmotivated dick.
<Broox> but you know it has to be there
<The4dotelipsis> But since we've got his father, and his father's chemistry with I-5YQ to remember, he comes off poorly.
<jawastew> yes.. I can't remember which books but I do remember reading something about it before
<Jello> I didn't even know there was a character named Jax :p
<The4dotelipsis> Regardless though...
<Broox> I was in some of the YJKs
<The4dotelipsis> I think Jax, and by extension the plot, lacks conviction.
<Bly> And what was up with Bug-Eyes?
<Havac> I mean, you've got people like Shryne who are bitter and give up, people who are still idealistic, people like Hudorra who are practical . . .
<Broox> and some of Stackpol's eary RS books
<Horsey> I don't remember his father or I-5, thus I ended up liking him better
<Havac> Jax does seriously lack conviction.
<jawastew> hmm I didnt read more than 1 or 1 of the JYJK stuff
<Bly> He was called 10-4TO...but I thought he was an LOM
<jawastew> I prolly saw it in stackpole
<jawastew> 2*
<Bly> Hav: If Huddorra doesn't return, it'll be a crime.
<Bly> A CRIME.
<Havac> He's just kind of out to get by, and doesn't seem to care much at all about the Jedi, except when the plot demands he revere his Master's last wish.
<The4dotelipsis> Reaves feels the need to constantly remind us that Jax /needs/ to do this for his master, and I just don't buy it.
<Havac> He was a thorouncompellingelling character.
<The4dotelipsis> And maybe it's because we've never seen Piell and Pavan together. Which isn't the book's fault, really, but...yeah.
<Havac> In an otherwise compelling book.
<Havac> And he was the main character.
<Broox> not by the end!
<Broox> I-5 took charge
<The4dotelipsis> It felt like an RPG at the end. :P
<Havac> I think it suffers for that. If he'd been supporting cast or something, but he's on all the covers.
<Broox> it did
<Havac> He's the main guy.
<Broox> but in a good way :0
<Havac> He's the Head Protagonist.
<Bly> Unfortunately
<Havac> And he's boring.
<Broox> So is Zayne but it Gryph that steals the show
<Havac> Yet the book still rocks.
<Havac> I'm not sure I get that.
<Havac> Zayne isn't boring, though.
<Broox> I feel he would be without his supporting cast
<Bly> Really?
<Havac> He's a great main with a great supporting cast.
<Bly> He didn't have anyone besides Gryph in the beginning.
<Bly> And I loved him even then.
<Havac> Jax is a crappy main saved by a great supporting cast.
<Horsey> I like both Zayne and Jax
<Broox> Ohh he is heads above Jax but ...
<sabarte> Yeah, the first KOTOR arc was just awesome
<Havac> Even though the Jedi Paladin exists to do *absolutely nothing* other than shoot stuff.
<sabarte> though I fell off after that
<sabarte> Yeah, I dunno about that
<Horsey> yeah, I felt let down by that part, Hav
<The4dotelipsis> The Paladin was a set-up, clearly.
<sabarte> The Jedi taboo against guns felt forced
<Havac> I just wish she'd do something now.
<Broox> I didn't think so
<Havac> The returning characters were great. but Reaves didn't do well in painting compelling new characters in this series.
<Broox> It was very clear by the movies that they all kinda look down o blasters
<The4dotelipsis> I think it would be less jarring if she hadn't been on the DP.
<jawastew> I was disappointed with her... the twi'lek. she didn't really say much...
<sabarte> If they're allowed to shoot people in starfighters, I don't see what the issue is with blasters
<Broox> I liked Vader's aide
<Bly> Rhinnan irritated me
<The4dotelipsis> Yeah, Rhinann was good, IMO.
<Havac> Because you can't swordfight in starfighters, sabs.
<Bly> His anti-human bias was an interesting new perspective...
<Broox> not new
<Bly> ..but something about him just GRATED on me.
<Broox> just udervocalized
<Havac> Rhinann was a bit too one-note.
<Bly> OK, that works.
<Havac> He needed more depth.
<Bly> Hav: yeah, that's it.
<Broox> he did
<jawastew> i liked the anti human stuff but it's all he ever did it seems like
<Havac> "Vader is terrifying. I am competent. Humans are bad."
<Broox> I think he will be one of the characters that grows a good deal next book
<Broox> him and the paladin
<Havac> That was the entirety of his character.
<jawastew> maybe he'll like humans next
<Broox> lol
<Havac> The Sith/Force fascination was a good hook for some growth, but that was underplayed.
<Havac> And he just lacked . . . personality.
<The4dotelipsis> Underplayed?
<The4dotelipsis> He went and stole a holocron. :P
<Havac> Which was a little bit of the point of his character, but whatever. Still makes him boring.
<Bly> Hav: a little bit of that could be attributed to his being an Elomin.
<sabarte> What happened with the holocron?
<Bly> But yeah, still boring.
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<Muuurgh> I think he gave it to Jax.
<jawastew> jax has it now
<Broox> Was anyonedisappointedointed that Nick lived, I felt that someone needed to die. You tangle tagleboth bothe Vader and Black Sun and get away clean IMHO.
<Havac> Fourdot: He did that completely out of the blue.
<sabarte> whose holocron, or just a random one>
<Horsey> The paladin better grow in the next book or she's a useless character
<Horsey> geez...lag
<jawastew> some sithy one
<The4dotelipsis> The action is out of the blue, but the rationalization comes later. There was a thought process.
<Muuurgh> The Sith holocron from Shadow Hunter.
<sabarte> ah
<Muuurgh> Possibly
<Havac> He mentions like, twice, being fascinated with the Force, and then all of the sudden it's "Oops, I stole a holocron!"
<jawastew> haha yes.
<Horsey> Also, the one guy still had a tracking device in him. That better come up again cuz they never said it was removed
<Bly> Nick?
<The4dotelipsis> But he's got a sum total of about 7 scenes.
<Bly> Or Kaird?
<Broox> Nick
<Horsey> I think Nick
<Havac> Yeah. It was a bit of the perils of a large cast.
<Bly> Ah
<Havac> If there's growth in the next book, I won't mind so much.
<Bly> Maybe it'll be played up later.
<Bly> The tracker, that is.
<The4dotelipsis> Nick should have died, IMO.
<Broox> I agree
<Havac> Nick's death depends on what happens in the future.
<Bly> I'm on the fence, there.
<Havac> If he's just tagging along for the next two books, then yeah.
<Broox> I Soshouldshoudl have bought the big one
<Havac> If he gets serious growth and development, then I'd say no.
<sabarte> so what did people like about the book, in particular?
<Muuurgh> I think he'll probably survive into the next couple of books, considering what is ultimately going to happen to his countrymen.
<Broox> The prose itself
<The4dotelipsis> I liked the atmos.
<Bly> I'm more interested as to what happens with Kaird.
<Havac> But what's Den Dhur going to do, other than get drunk and narrate POV sections?
<Bly> I liked Den and I5.
<jawastew> i liked 1-5.. Den..
<The4dotelipsis> Dhur will likely do stuff.
<Broox> The fact thaauthorauther was not treating me like I was 5
<Havac> I liked the Black Sun plot. I liked the returning Reaves characters.
<Horsey> I thought Den was kinda one note too, with the jealousy factor
<The4dotelipsis> Or sacrifice himself.
<Bly> Broox: Shame on you.
<Bly> :p
<jawastew> the atmosphere wasn't as dark or gritty as I thought it'd be
<jawastew> it's just oh, another Jedi adventure.
<Broox> I just read some Karen and Drew so it was a nice change of pace
<Havac> I liked the Hutt art. That was a cool universe-expanding touch.
<Dunc> Hutt art?
<jawastew> that was kind of neat
<Bly> Rokko's stuff that I5 lasers.
<Broox> that was cool
<Bly> It was like a laser capture of Varl, or something like that.
<Havac> Light captured in something ridiculously dense, so that it took hundreds of years to bleed out.
<Havac> Snapshots of the past.
<jawastew> landscape
<Broox> Of Nal Hutta
<Broox> SP?
<Dunc> huh
<Dunc> I'm a bad mod. I haven't got past the second chapter
<Broox> skipped a chapter or 2 Dunc?
<Havac> I was sort of disappointed by Coruscant, actually.
<Bly> Of Varl
<Dunc> But I only paid $1.05 for it, so oh well.
<Havac> Everyone's raving over how it portrayed Coruscant, but Shadow Hunter did it so much better.
<Broox> I agreed
<Havac> This Coruscant had new areas named, yeah, but it didn't feel that distinctive.
<jawastew> I don't know why I can't remember shadow hunter
<Havac> It just had generic slums. Big whoop.
<Trip> <Broox> The fact thaauthorauther was not treating me like I was 5
<Dunc> I only one chapter into that one. :D
<jawastew> generic underground coruscant
<Broox> but going into it knowind Imp City was gonna be the only backdrop I didn't feel as disapointed
<Trip> <Broox> I just read some Karen and Drew so it was a nice change of pace
<Trip> ftw
<Horsey> So the whole droid with info was a ruse, right?
<Broox> ohh yes
<Broox> vader is crafty
<Havac> Yes. By Vader.
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<Broox> He had the Black Sun going even
<Horsey> yeah that impressed me
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<Hav> The droid was a rather silly McGuffin.
<Broox> Will the doctor that patches up Nick turn out to be a MedStar character?
<Hav> What doctor?
<Bly> Who?
<Hav> I know there was a doctor somewhere, but I don't remember anything specific.
<Broox> The doctor they were going to get Nick to after the rousing speech by Jax that ended the book
<Bly> Doubt it.
<Hav> Oh. That. I suppose they could go to Vandar or something.
<Bly> Unless it's one of the nurses or Vondar
<Hav> Wait . . . was it a doctor Den knew?
<Broox> I can't remember
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<Horsey> no
<Hav> Let me check.
<Horsey> I thought they were headed to one of BS's old safehouses
<Horsey> Kaird was leading them there
<Broox> There was a bit where Sunrider and I think Arca got mentioned but there was a third name with their's was that a new character or did I have a memory lapse?
<Bly> No, that guy was new.
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<Bly> I can't recall hearing his name before, at least.
<The4dotelipsis> Yes...
<The4dotelipsis> He is new.
<Horsey> Uli!
<Broox> Seems odd to create a new TOTJ ere character in a DT book
<The4dotelipsis> It'd be cool if JJM or someone picked up on it.
<Bly> Hey Uli.
<Broox> maybe the KOTOR source book
<Broox> And where was my evasive action tie in?
<The4dotelipsis> It's not a tie-in per se.
<The4dotelipsis> But Drake mentions that Xizor must be trying to impress Underlord Perhi.
<Broox> that was it?
<The4dotelipsis> Which was the first time that we learned Perhi was Underlord, and that Xizor was trying to impress him. :P
<Havac> Reading up on it, they just talk about the fact that they have to get him to a doctor.
<The4dotelipsis> That's it, though. It would have been more impressive if they were released at the same time.
<Broox> true
<Havac> It's possible they'll bring in Vondar and Tolk, but it's just as likely Nick will be healed by the beginning of the next book.
<Havac> The cast is big enough already.
<Broox> that is not how Paul painted it month ago
<Bly> I'm not sure if they should bring in Vondar.
<Bly> SOMEONE from MedStar should have a happy ending.
<Horsey> I thought for sure some would disperse at the end of the book
<Havac> The party is big enough already.
<Muuurgh> Didn't Divini already get something of a happy ending?
<Broox> now they need sidequest to boost ther XP so they can take on Vader!
<Havac> I doubt he's bringing in any more characters without having some die, with the possible exception of Typho.
<Bly> Muurgh: he joined an allegedly doomed resistance group against a galaxy-spanning civilization.
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<Broox> Den is not going to make it I feel
<Bly> So, not such a happy ending.
<Bly> :p
<Broox> \he has nothing to offer the group
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<Bly> Ah yes, Typho.
<Bly> Can't wait for him to show up.
<Trip> thanks, sey
<The4dotelipsis> Typho might die...
<Horsey> yw
<Trip> Heh, so...
<Bly> Hmmm...
<Trip> Is Typho the original Zekk?
<Bly> Wonder what his uncle the Moff would think of that.
<Havac> Typho might die if no one care about Galaxies.
<The4dotelipsis> I'd actually like Typho to die.
<Broox> I hope that aspect gets played up (the uncle bit)
<Bly> Actually, if we don't see Moff Panaka, that'd be a sin.
<jawastew> what's a Typho?
<The4dotelipsis> Galaxies is the one thing I want to have made non-canon.
<Bly> Captain Typho
<Muuurgh> From AOTC.
<jawastew> o
<Trip> Fourdot - /agreed/
<The4dotelipsis> It doesn't respect anything, and so no one should respect it.
<Bly> 4dot: Nobody gives a shit about it, so it essentially IS already
<Havac> Gregor Typho.
<AdmirableAckbar> Galaxies is brilliant.
<The4dotelipsis> Bly: Abel.
<Bly> GregAr, Havac. :p
<Bly> 4dot: Dammit.
<Havac> Anyway, Dhur might die.
<Broox> Galaxies is rubbish
<Havac> I can definitely see that.
<Trip> Well, anything Abel's brought into the greater canon would stay, obviously
<The4dotelipsis> Den will sacrifice himself for Jax.
<The4dotelipsis> You'll see. I'll show you.
<Havac> Fourdot: I'd expect that.
<Bly> I hope not. It'd be heroic and all, but it'd be kinda cliché
<Broox> I could se that ....
<Bly> Make that ridiculously cliché
<The4dotelipsis> So would I. Jedi Trial didn't throw any curve-balls. :P
<The4dotelipsis> Jedi Twilight, sorry.
<Broox> same thing
<Horsey> for Jax?
<Broox> yeah
<Broox> very predicable
<Horsey> heh, I'm not good at predicting
<Horsey> I could see it happening for I-5, somehow, but I wasn't thinking it would for Jax
<Broox> At the beginning he was Cade at the end he gave his "with great power comes great responsibility" speech
<Bly> If anyone will sacrifice themself for Jax, it'll be I5.
<Broox> all been done before
<Bly> I could see him pulling a Solis.
<Muuurgh> I hope Reaves will follow up on the unidentified Rebel saboteur from Death Star, or at least gives a hint as to who it was.
<Broox> pardon?
<Broox> who?
<Havac> Just make him Krono Relt.
<Horsey> ok gotta go find dinner. be back in a little bit
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<Bly> Solis was a droid in Yoda: Dark Rendezvous who sacrificed himself to save Whie Malreaux
<Broox> Hav, that would be a cool tie-in
<Bly> Put a neural eraser to his head and pulled the trigger.
<Bly> Ouch.
<Muuurgh> O_o
<Broox> I remember that
<Broox> now
<Trip> when's the chat end?
<jawastew> I don't remember these new books as much as I do the Bantam ones..
<The4dotelipsis> I'm kinda hoping there'll be more of an Evasive Action tie-in in the next book...
<Broox> that would be nice
<The4dotelipsis> There's so much potential for Drake's superhero phase, and I hope it gets extrapolated and embellished at some point.
<Bly> Trip: dunno.
<Broox> maybe mention that firefly looking ship :p
<The4dotelipsis> Because that's an idea that's...never been done before, as far as I can recall. Even in Prey, we don't get much of it, since it's kinda focusing on Xizor a little.
<Broox> right
<Broox> The costumes were great too ;)
<The4dotelipsis> Indeed.
<Broox> Maybe we find out who Ghent's daddy is?
<The4dotelipsis> There's your young readers series. Jedi fugitives who become crime fighters in Coruscant's underworld.
<The4dotelipsis> Screw Olin.
<Dunc> The chat ends when it ends, Trip
<The4dotelipsis> Whoever Ghent's daddy is, I hope it's not Drake.
<Trip> So it'll be over when it's over?
<Dunc> Technically, 10, but if you keep going, I'll keep logging.
<Broox> Me too
<The4dotelipsis> Drake should be...someone else' daddy. Wurth Skidder, I dunno.
<Trip> Drake should be Rhett...
<Broox> They were both worthless, it fits
<The4dotelipsis> Impossible now. :P
<Bly> 4dot: Ekria could be his mom.
<Broox> ohh most definatly
<Broox> Paul said as much
<The4dotelipsis> Well, that's what we're getting at. :P
<Trip> meh
<Bly> ah
<Trip> making Ghent's mother a Jedi struck me as silly and fanwank-ish
<Trip> *struck
<The4dotelipsis> I want to see Zonder as a rug in Tremayne's quarters sometime in the future.
<Trip> now that...
<Broox> He uses the force to hack computers!
<Trip> that I'd like to see
<Trip> stupid cat
<Broox> 4dot that would be morbidly hilarious
<Bly> Someone should do fanart of that.
<Trip> yes, but if Ghent's Force-sensitive, why didn't anyone notice?
<Trip> They're just stomping on Luke's legacy again!
<Trip> :( :( :(
<Broox> His geekiness hides it well
<The4dotelipsis> I think you can have Jedi parents and not be Force-sensitive...
<The4dotelipsis> Can't you?
<Broox> yeah
<Trip> I don't think so, no
<Broox> a jedi squib so to speak
<Bly> Ugh
<Bly> No Harry Potter-isms, please.
<Muuurgh> Fourdot, yes. Though the only example I can think of is Tigris.
<Broox> it was the best term to fit that use
<Trip> Ah, Tigris...
<Trip> I'd forgotten about him
<Broox> I tried tooo...
<Havac> We all try to.
<Dunc> One of Vader's Bantam apprentices, right?
<Trip> he's an oddball, though; pretty much everything else seems to indicate that Force-sensitivity is dominant
<Muuurgh> heh.
<Dunc> Or the kid of one?
<Muuurgh> The kid.
<Havac> Son of two of Vader's Bantam apprentices.
<Dunc> Maybe it's a species thing. They weren't human.
<Havac> Hethrir and Rillao.
<Trip> They were near-Human
<Dunc> So, dominant in humans, but maybe not in others.
<Havac> They were humans with colorful hair.
<jawastew> they were Firrerreo.. i think
<jawastew> yes, Firrerreo
<jawastew> or that was the planet name or something
<Muuurgh> And weird eyes.
<Broox> both probably
<Havac> The planet was Firrerre.
<Bly> I gotta go, folks. Nice talking with you.
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<Trip> but yeah, at least for Humans-- and by extension, all near-Humans and the like-- Force-sensitivity is pretty well established as a dominant characteristic
<Trip> maybe Tigris was just stubborn
<Trip> or stupid
<Trip> or something
<Broox> or both
<Trip> or both
<Muuurgh> I liked the duel between Jax and Xizor - especially with the introduction of the lightwhip - though at times it was kind of hard to follow.
<Havac> He caught a midichlorian-destroying nanovirus.
<Havac> Denning's going to write all about it.
<Broox> Are any of Cade's uncle's kids' force sensitives?
<Havac> None of them are Bantha's, Broox.
<Trip> Havac, you've just hit on the plot to /Fate of the Jedi/
<Havac> They're all adopted or stepkids.
<The4dotelipsis> Oh, I did like the fact that we're seeing Vader and Xizor pre-Faleen sad time.
<Broox> I missed the stepkids bit somewhere along the line
<The4dotelipsis> Falleen, sorry.
<Broox> silly me
<Havac> Yeah, Fourdot.
<Trip> how's the lizard?
<Trip> Is he as obnoxious as he was in SotE?
<Havac> I liked that Xizor actually represented the pro-Imperial faction in Black Sun, and wasn't that antagonistic towards Vader.
<Trip> ah, good
<Broox> He didn't try to sex anyone up this time
<Trip> even better
<Trip> maybe I will read this book sooner than I planned
<sabarte> One of them is force-sensitive though
<sabarte> of Rawk's kids
<Havac> Trip: He's actually the antagonist to the POV character Kaird, so he's portrayed a super-ambitious, dangerous, and competent jackass.
<Trip> Kaird? Is he that bird from MedStar?
<Broox> sabarte: which one?
<Havac> He's actually a really good villain.
<Muuurgh> Trip - Yes.
<Havac> Yes, Kaird is from MedStar.
<Broox> yea same bird
<Trip> gah
<Trip> I hated that guy
<Havac> He actually makes sense to the plot in these books.
<Trip> Oh, well that's good
<Broox> If you look at the DP there are only 2 new characters
<Havac> I didn't like him in MedStar either, but I liked him here.
<Trip> since that was mostly why I hated him
<Havac> Though it's a bit silly that in about a year and six months he's gone from assassin to contestant for a vigo spot.
<Broox> The underworld moves fast
<Broox> if he hadn't botched his medstar assignment it would be more believable
<sabarte> It's not even "dominant"
<sabarte> it's stupid
<sabarte> Every kid is stronger than their parents. That's nuts.
<Trip> could be more, if MedStar gets caught up in the great Clone Wars Continuity Reshuffle
<sabarte> If that was the case, everyone would be Force-Sensitive?
<Trip> though I don't see why it would
<Trip> sabs - I'm not saying it makes sense
<Trip> just that, for better or worse
<sabarte> It's this vicious cycle
<Trip> it seems like you're stuck with force sensitivity if someone in your recent ancestry has it
<Trip> recent being last five thousand or so years
<sabarte> they can't write Jedi
<Trip> :P
<sabarte> but every force sensitive's kid has to be a Jedi
<sabarte> so they all are Jedi
<sabarte> and none of them are interesting
<sabarte> because they can't write jedi
<Broox> it is a vicious cycle
<Broox> *vicious
<Trip> who's "they"?
<sabarte> Everyone.
<Broox> do we need to start naming them?
<Trip> Nuh uh
<sabarte> nobody handles Force-sensitive kids well
<Trip> Stover writes interesting Jedi
<Trip> Roger MacBride Allen
<Trip> for FS kids
<Broox> I thought KJA did a good job . . . :P
<sabarte> Yeah
<sabarte> Agree on Allen.
<sabarte> But they don't have identical talents
<Broox> Allen was good
<sabarte> though, um, we're getting off-topic
<Broox> who needs a topic
<Broox> Did anyone else fell that Reaves made coruscant seem tamer?
<Broox> at least the underlevels
<Havac> Yeah.
<sabarte> Jedi should be choice, not default
<Havac> Aside from the feral droids, there was little threat.
<Broox> right
<Havac> It was just kind of a generic slummy area.
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<Broox> he even mentioned the surface a couple times
<Broox> *even mentioned
<Broox> which is a big non-no
<Havac> It felt less like a hellhole than like LA.
<Broox> A forest apart did a better job
<Trip> Where's it take place on Coruscant?
<Trip> Imperial City proper, or elsewhere?
<Broox> umm
<Broox> The Works
<Trip> oh
<Trip> drat
<Broox> and others
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<Muuurgh> In the underlevels, Vader's office, Feral City, and the Black Sun skyhook IIRC.
<Broox> that I am drawing a blank on
<Jello> Yeah, we don't see much of the upper levels at all except for the Black Sun and Vader stuff
<Jello> and even that's rather limited
<Trip> I was hoping we'd see a place on the planet not within a twenty-kilometer radius of the palace district
<Broox> to like 2 rooms total
<sabarte> heh
<sabarte> well, there's Black Fleet Crisis ;)
<Broox> the feral district is on the opposite side
<Trip> a pox on BFC
<Trip> :P
<Trip> I guess /Force Commander/ and the JAT did show another part of the planet...
<Trip> granted, it was the ice cap
<Trip> but it's something!
<Broox> Yeah the ski resort...
<Broox> I did like how Reaves mentioned the monstrous construction droids that I think KJA wrote about ages ago
<Broox> Wedge was in charge of one for some stupid reason or something
<Jello> I like the Palace District!
<Trip> he was going through a mid-life crisis
<Broox> ahh
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<Trip> well, more like a third-life crisis
<Trip> but close enough
<RF> Yeah.
<Muuurgh> The mentions of the craters from the battle of Coruscant were nice.
<RF> Wedge was silly.
<Trip> heh...
<Trip> speaking of the craters
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<Trip> the SD.N crowd seems to like Jedi Twilight
<Broox> RF, that quote will be added to my sig
<Jello> really?
<Jello> they like something?
<Jello> :p
<RF> Who wouldn't?
<sabarte> that's pretty shocking
<Broox> that is suprising
<Trip> I guess all you gotta do to appease them is throw in a couple gigantic impact craters
<RF> I'm still waiting, though, for them to analyze the power output of a repulsorlift engine.
<RF> What was it, like 800 Watts?
<Dunc> oye vey
<RF> ^_^
<RF> Reaves is cool.
<tzzA> thanks, RF
<RF> He used "rictus" though.
<tzzA> bot being annoying? :P
<RF> Rictus.
<RF> That word showed up like ten times in Shadow Hunter.
<Broox> I enjoyed the college level vocabulary
<RF> Yeah.
<RF> Quite refreshing.
<Broox> much better than the 7th grade vocab other treat us too
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<RF> He seems to be making it almost more... hard sci-fi-ish?
<RF> I donno.
<RF> But I liked it.
<Horsey> back
<Broox> front
<RF> middle.
<Horsey> looking back, I too enjoyed the higher vocab level
<Broox> After seeing wanted I new think of the paladin with Jolie's face :p
<Broox> new-now
<Trip> What's up with the Paladin?
<Trip> Does the term mean anything aside from "I like blasters"?
<Muuurgh> Jedi... with a gun. :-P
<RF> I... don't know how I feel about her.
<Horsey> not enough info given to us, I think
<RF> I like the concept of breakoff Force traditions.
<Horsey> I was confused about the blaster thing at first, but dp4m explained it to me and I get it now
<Trip> uh oh
<Broox> How she showed up out of nowhere offered nothing to the story and said very little
<RF> But... she seems kinda superfluous?
<Broox> whats not to like
<Trip> that probably means you're totally confused
<Trip> :P
<RF> She doesn't really advance the story.
<Horsey> lol
<Horsey> why's that?
<RF> She's just there to blow stuff up.
<RF> And shooting blaster bolts with other blaster bolts? :\
<Trip> because DP is DP
<Trip> :P
<tzzA> RF: whuh?
<Horsey> that's what the Paladin did
<RF> She deflected blaster bolts with blaster bolts.
<Horsey> which made me make the same face RF made
<RF> Like, all the time.
<Jello> yeah, that was... really weird
<Trip> I don't get it
<Jello> and nonsensical
<sabarte> I was meh about the Jedi being so opposed to blasters
<Trip> how does that work?
<Horsey> but she was using something that isn't a regular blaster bolt
<Trip> sabs- what's it say?
<Horsey> or something
<sabarte> Let me find it
<RF> It says "particle beams"
<Horsey> I can't explain what dp4m said it was
<RF> But by that I took it to mean blaster bolts.
<RF> Since it describes blasters as shooting particle beams.
<Trip> Did his explanation involve D6?
<RF> If so, ignore it. :p
<Muuurgh> XD
<Broox> Ohh it does
<Broox> that or WoW
<Trip> blaster bolts are particle beams, yeah
<Havac> "She was making Parry rolls with her blaster."
<Horsey> lol, when he comes online I'll ask him to explain it again and then I'll copy paste
<Havac> "It's a special Jedi Paladin feat."
<RF> "And she burned a few Force points, too."
<Broox> and who uses a D6 these days it is all about the d20 :p
<Trip> mostly DP and Blithe...
<Trip> :P
<Muuurgh> +1 DSP, now roll a d6! :-P
<Broox> I cannot type tonight, I'm sorry
<Muuurgh> *1d6
<RF> Have we talked about Black Sun yet?
<sabarte> "The Council had censored the Teepo Paladins years ago for advocating the use of blasters and other weapons in addition to lightsabers. At best, this had been viewed as extremist ; at worst, Teepo Paladins had been ostracized as potential dark siders"
<Trip> whaaaaaat
<Trip> that's nonsense
<Horsey> we can again if we did, cuz I missed it
<sabarte> Yes, it is :/
<RF> Trip, have you read the book?
<sabarte> Page 106
<Trip> no, I haven't
<RF> Do it.
<RF> Its worth it.
<Trip> eventually
<Trip> :P
<sabarte> Especially since Jedi use starfighters with no problems
<RF> And guns.
<Trip> they use blasters with no problem, too
<sabarte> and don't use big flying lightsabers to slice stuff up.
<Horsey> Obi-wan used a blaster to kill
<Trip> Krukhie and A'Sharad, off the top of my head
<Trip> I'm sure there are more
<The4dotelipsis> A'Sharad's not the best example. :P
<RF> Pfft. The Freudian symbolism would cause their enemies to run away in fear.
<Trip> Obi-Wan's just old-fashioned
<The4dotelipsis> Neither is Anakin, who uses them in Dark Rendezvous, I think.
<Trip> fourdot - A'Sharad was, like, the most straightlaced Jedi ever prior to Order 66
<Trip> well, maybe straightlaced is a poor descriptor
<sabarte> so yeah, I object to "using weapon other than lightsaber = heresy"
<Trip> er... I'll say well-adjusted
<tzzA> sabarte: Kreia did
<Horsey> is that what the sentence says? Cuz they allowed lightwhips too
<Trip> I object to making the Ruusan Order be assholes just because
<The4dotelipsis> Regardless, all it took to push him over the edge was a teensy weensy betrayal and humiliation.
<Broox> and a huge amount of guilt
<Trip> and the death of everyone he'd ever known
<tzzA> Guilt is useful.
<Trip> and a decade or two being tutored by a Sith Lord
<Broox> not much at all really
<RF> Eh.
<Trip> and a couple weeks under the care of Vong shapers
<RF> Anakin is a weenie.
<The4dotelipsis> He was already doing questionable actions before the Korriban trip.
<RF> Krayt is an even bigger weenie.
<The4dotelipsis> "Raar! I'm a bounty hunter! Cutoffyourhead!"
<Trip> Yeah, but I didn't read that as full-on dark side or whatever
<Broox> stay on target ;)
<Broox> *stay
<The4dotelipsis> But then he just...walks into a cave, a Sith spirit confronts him, and he's all "Ah, yeah, sure. I'll do it."
<Trip> exactly
<The4dotelipsis> Even Kun was more resilient.
<Trip> he's depressed and apathetic
<RF> She had long fingernails.
<Horsey> RF - what about Black Sun did you want to discuss?
<Trip> he doesn't give a shit any more
<RF> He cannot resist a woman with long fingernails.
<RF> Just that I really liked those parts.
<RF> I liked reading about Black Sun.
<Trip> he's not "muahah, awesome, now I can slaughter my enemies with dark power"
<Broox> Did the dark woman have long fingernails?
<The4dotelipsis> Apathy is death. :P
<Horsey> lol
<Trip> he's "meh, why not. My life's utter shit anyway."
<Broox> RF, they were some of the best segments
<Trip> aaanyway
<RF> Yeah.
<Muuurgh> The part with the melting HRD was amusing.
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<Trip> HRD?
<RF> Yes.
<Trip> Little early, isn't it?
<RF> Early model.
<Trip> ah
<tzzA> 4dot: apathy is meh
<Broox> Human Replica Droid
<RF> More like... some sort of replicant, actually.
<Muuurgh> Hence the melting. :-P
<RF> Didn't it say there were biological components?
<Trip> well, I always thought HRDs being some crazy new technology was silly
<Trip> HRDs always have biological components...
<RF> ...oh...
<RF> Yeah, I guess.
<Trip> they're basically a droid endoskeleton and brain with cloned organs and skin
<Broox> they are like a step or two behind cylons
<sabarte> You sure?
<RF> Something like that.
<Trip> Guri was, at least
<RF> They can perform organic functions.
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<RF> I don't think they need to breath, though.
<Trip> actually, Guri's organs might've been synthetic
<RF> Or would they.
<Trip> but her skin, at least, was fully organic
<RF> bio-synthetic.
<RF> Its been a while since I read SotE.
<Broox> I liked the comparison of HRD's to clones
<Trip> "vat grown" was the term they used for her skin, IIRC
<RF> Yeah.
<LtNOWIS> Essential Guides cover it pretty well.
<Trip> yeah
<Trip> I guess she's the Terminator, basically
<Trip> :P
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<RF> :p
<RF> Only her bones aren't so metallic
<Broox> The River Tam Terminator maybe
<Trip> no, they're ceramic or something like that
<Trip> right?
<Broox> not any from the movies
<RF> Something
<Trip> I think the only thing that's 'droid' in the traditional metal-and-blinky-lights sense is the brain
<RF> Yeah.
<RF> And some microservos in the bones
<RF> Or something like that.
<Uli> Ah, Guri.
<RF> But, yeah, there's a HRD.
<RF> For a couple of seconds.
<LtNOWIS> I could've sworn their bones were metal.
<Uli> Back when Jedi didn't really need combat training because they could just see things in slow motion
<LtNOWIS> And, the old Marvel ones were more metallic.
<RF> Guri was more advanced than the Classic Star Wars ones.
<LtNOWIS> Right, right.
<Broox> http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/b/b1/Human_Replica_Droid.JPG
<Broox> http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/a/a7/Droidvoid.JPG
<LtNOWIS> Dan Wallace created like 2 tiers of replica droids.
<Broox> there seems to be quite a range
<LtNOWIS> Synthdroids vs. HRDs.
<RF> Is that... Major Houlihan?
<Trip> basically, HRD is a catchall term
<Trip> Nowis- aren't Synthdroids a specific Loronar product?
<Trip> powered by those dumbass crystal thingies?
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<RF> Yes.
<LtNOWIS> Yeah
<LtNOWIS> Tsil.
<RF> Human replica droids have probably been around forever.
<LtNOWIS> You'd think you could bypass that pretty easy.
<RF> Hell, we have HRDs here on earth.
<Trip> they're just creepy as hell
<RF> Uncanny valley. :p
<Broox> Maybe Guri will show up in Legacy then
<LtNOWIS> Well, good ones are harder.
<Broox> everyone seems too
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<RF> Guri showing up in Legacy would be cool and unexpected.
<Trip> Everyone from Republic seems to
<Trip> :P
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<RF> As would Dash's babies...
<Broox> RF was that a 30 Rock reference?
<Trip> ach
<RF> What?
<Horsey> we need more Artoo in Legacy
<Muuurgh> Except for Quin.
<LtNOWIS> Thanks Horsey.
<Horsey> yw, kiddo
<RF> If it was, it was unintentional.
<Trip> please no Guri and/or Dash
<Broox> the uncanny valley.
<Trip> that short sucked
<Trip> sucked sucked sucked
<LtNOWIS> Guri makes more sense than a human.
<RF> No, uncanny valley is a technical term.
<RF> Wiki it.
<Broox> have you seen the 30 rock clip?
<RF> No...
<Trip> Hm...
<Trip> If Guri popped back up, would she still have /Stinger/?
<Dunc> wait, mind
<Trip> 'cause she could probably end the war if she did
<RF> This is uncanny valley: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbFFs4DHWys
<Trip> what with those ISD-popping torpedos and all
<Havac> Heh. I recall that.
<Horsey> voted!
<tzzA> Beam a Mark IX into an ISD with a half-second timer after rematerialization.
<tzzA> Boom!
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<RF> So, more about Black Sun.
<Horsey> I was underwhelmed
<Muuurgh> I liked the Kaird/Xizor fight.
<Horsey> I thought they were far cooler in the other book series
<RF> This is Kaird: http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Sam_the_Eagle
<jawastew> i missed a lot
<jawastew> there wasn't so much "black sun" as the politics of trying to get higher up in black sun
<Havac> Yeah, I'd have liked to see more actual criminality.
<Havac> Not just "I want the job!" "No I do!"
<jawastew> yes..
<Havac> Still, it was a good plotline.
<Trip> do we ever?
<jawastew> then again, I wanted more criminality in the whole book
<jawastew> I was so let down
<jawastew> I thought it'd be a real detective star wars story
<LtNOWIS> Seems like it was all about killing and bounties.
<RF> I want to see more Xizor...
<LtNOWIS> No actual revenue-getting criminality.
<RF> He's silly in the OT era.
<Horsey> he's cast his pheromones on RF
<jawastew> i know
<RF> But he's cooler here.
<jawastew> disappointment
<Trip> SotE was just "XIZOR: I hate Vader and want to supplant him!"
<Trip> Darth Maul was just "MAUL: Die, Black Sun people!"
<Broox> I liked him in BHW the most
<Broox> but this was a close second
<TrevelyanL85A2> BHW?
<jawastew> bhw?
<Trip> XWA was just "ACE: Drat, now Black Sun hates us too."
<Broox> Bounty Hunter Wars
<The4dotelipsis> Bounty Hunter Wars.
<LtNOWIS> Bounty Hunter Wars
<TrevelyanL85A2> ah ok
<RF> Bounty Hunter Wars
<Muuurgh> Bounty Hunter Wars
<Muuurgh> *Hunter
<Trip> I mean, Black Sun never really /does/ anything anywhere
<The4dotelipsis> NOWIS: He's doing it on a subpage.
<Trip> they're just kinda there
<Havac> I really, really want the next books to be those detective noirish books I wanted here.
<jawastew> yes
<jawastew> me too
<Broox> as do I
<The4dotelipsis> Black Sun are even around when they really shouldn't be.
<jawastew> but I doubt it
<RF> Black Sun is everywhere.
<Trip> fourdot - when?
<The4dotelipsis> Legacy.
<The4dotelipsis> They should be dead. Dead dead dead. So should the Bounty Hunter's Guild.
<RF> Eh, its not a big issue.
<Broox> Tyber Zan showing up would be cool
<RF> 100 years.
<RF> They can rebuild.
<The4dotelipsis> "Can" and "should" are separate here.
<RF> True...
<RF> But its a convenient name.
<The4dotelipsis> I'd be more interested in a totally new crime syndicate.
<RF> Yeah......
<jawastew> or just some real crime
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<RF> Bank robbing!
<The4dotelipsis> The destruction of the Falleen's Fist should have been a death knell.
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<RF> I want to see bank robbing!
<jawastew> without jedis
<The4dotelipsis> Same for Xizor's destruction of the BHG.
<The4dotelipsis> But...eh.
<Trip> well, that's hardly /Legacy/'s fault
<Trip> when it comes to Black Sun
<RF> KJA brought them back way before Legacy did.
<Trip> which was resurrected a half-dozen times during the nineties
<The4dotelipsis> Yes...but never as anything significant.
<Broox> Didn't the YKJs have some black Sun in them?
<Trip> as for the BHG... it's kind of a generic name; maybe it's a new one
<Muuurgh> That was the worst YJK arc. :-P
<RF> Yes.
<The4dotelipsis> They're kinda...nothing after SOTE.
<Broox> *YJK
<RF> YJK...
<RF> 9_9
<RF> So dumb.
<Broox> Young Jedi Knights
<Trip> but yeah, I hear you, fourdot
<Trip> I was kinda nonplussed to see Black Sun back
<RF> Plot: Black Sun takes over planets mentioned in the films...THEREFORE THEY RULE THE GALAXY!
<Trip> but mostly because I hate them
<RF> lol
<Trip> not so much because it's implausible
<Trip> though they do have a redesigned logo! Maybe they're, like, Black Sun 2.0!
<RF> ...Black Sun 2.0?
<RF> Would that mean that the logo is all smooth and shiny?
<Muuurgh> Black Sun With a Personal Face?
<RF> And it's done up in Flash?
<Broox> and has nice transitions
<Trip> lol
<Broox> It probably utilizes white and light blue color schemes
<Trip> well, the logo is more colorful
<Trip> it has yellow!
<Coffee> so did anyone come up with any *novel* epiphanies tonight?
<tzzA> Coffee!
<Horsey> were there any necessary?
<Coffee> since I sadly arrived late and anything worth mentioning has been said. :(
<LtNOWIS> My power was out for 2 hours.
<Muuurgh> Is what happened with Nick going to serve as the catalyst for the destruction of Haruun Kal?
<RF> Maybe.
<Havac> I hope so, Muuurgh.
<Havac> I really hope so.
<RF> Vader probably knows he's alive.
<LtNOWIS> Not a fan of HK, Havac?
<Havac> Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if that was a throw-in on Windham's part based on spoiler knowledge.
<RF> But Vader being Vader, he'll wait.
<RF> And then capture Nick.
<Havac> Nowis, no, I just like the continuity.
<RF> And have him with him when HK is nuked.
<Trip> No, havac hopes so because it'd be nice if we had continuity for once
<Trip> er
<Trip> what he just said
<Muuurgh> I do wonder if Windham had a peek at the manuscript of Coruscant Nights while writing EGTTF.
<LtNOWIS> And, it would make sense for Haruun Kal not to just go on their merry way with all their force-sensitives?
<TrevelyanL85A2> I like HK. he's a good kid
<RF> It'd be great if the Inquisitors went to HK first and recruited....
<LtNOWIS> gah, scratch that.
<LtNOWIS> Never mind.
<Trip> meh
<Trip> it's probably too much effort
<Trip> why go tromping through a smell jungle when you've got a whole ton of agricorps washouts right there on Imperial Center?
<Trip> :P
<Trip> *smelly jungle
<The4dotelipsis> Gah. They're not all Agri-corps washouts!
<Trip> Well, their poster boy is
<The4dotelipsis> Who?
<TrevelyanL85A2> question: is the agri-corps still used with the NJO ?
<Havac> No it is not.
<The4dotelipsis> Tremayne's not. I don't know how many times I need to stress this. :P
<The4dotelipsis> Tremayne was a POW.
<Havac> Trip: LOL at your Revan thread post.
<Trip> I'm so sick of that topic.
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<Muuurgh> Is there a mention of the mullet guy by now? :-P
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<RF> Ugh, Revan.
<RF> Revan fanboys make me hate Revan.
<Trip> Fourdot - he is too
<Dunc> Katarn fanboys made me hate Katarn.
<Trip> He's like the go-to inquisitor
<Broox> Jaxxon fanboys . . . wait
<Broox> *wait
<The4dotelipsis> Trip: Yeah, but he's not an agri-corps washout.
<The4dotelipsis> Is what I'm saying.
<Trip> Oh
<Trip> Didn't EA imply he was?
<The4dotelipsis> No.
<Trip> Oh. My bad.
<The4dotelipsis> Most of the people in that room are, but they mention that some of them are POWs.
<Trip> He's still a twit. :P
<The4dotelipsis> Then Xizor confirms it later on, in Prey.
<The4dotelipsis> Of course he is, but he's an earnest one.
<The4dotelipsis> Who later becomes awesome.
<Trip> And pudgy.
<RF> "Friends flock to moon passenger trains"
<Trip> Dunc - Katarn fanboys made me hate Katarn.
<Broox> and part robot
<The4dotelipsis> Trip: He loses that weight again in the OT era.
<Trip> And then I played the games again, and fell back in love.
<Trip> :P
<RF> "Dog meat off menu for Olympics"
<Trip> Does he?
<The4dotelipsis> I want a short story featuring Tremayne, Hethrir, and Fyyar.
<Trip> Good for him, I guess
<Trip> I always liked Pudgy Tremayne best though
<Broox> Abel or Dan are your only chance
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<Trip> fourdot - and Desann
<The4dotelipsis> No, Desann's just a cronie.
<TrevelyanL85A2> he didnt last long anyway
<The4dotelipsis> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Tremayne.JPG - Tremayne during the GCW.
<RF> Desann is a weenie.
<TrevelyanL85A2> he reminds me of The Lizard with force powers
<Trip> Desann is awesome! :(
<The4dotelipsis> I don't know what Tremayne's doing there, though. It's like "We rock!" or something.
<RF> Tremmie seems to like his Phantom of the Opera mask thingy
<Muuurgh> I get the impression that the half-billion Jax Pavans was a conscious attempt to frustrate Wookiee' editors. :-P
<TrevelyanL85A2> i kept on wondering someone calling him Dr. Connors or sumoning Spider-Man :P
<RF> "I'm so bad."
<RF> Pfft.
<RF> You don't need to put half a billion JPs into the Wookiee.
<RF> Silliness.
<Trip> Actually, I just want them to explain how he went from Jedi trainee to powerhouse inside of six months
<Jello> ...
<Broox> Magic...
<Broox> and jesus
<The4dotelipsis> The Valley of the Jedi! OOOooooohoOOOOH!
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<Trip> Bah
<Trip> even the VotJ can't account for that
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<Trip> They really need to move Jedi Outcast's timeline placement
<Muuurgh> I probably need to read Jedi Twilight again, but what was the significance of Jax's glowing rock?
<Havac> Future significance.
<Havac> It's implied that it's why Vader is after him.
<Havac> More to be learned in the next novel!
<RF> Vader likes shiny objects.
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<RF> Speaking of the next novel...
<RF> Typho?
<RF> Interesting that Reaves is bringing him back.
<RF> I don't mind it, though.
<Muuurgh> He'll probably die.
<RF> I also like that Padme is said to have died from asphyxiation, not that "she lost the will to live."
<Muuurgh> Yeah.
<Jello> it contradicts the movie, so it loses :p
<Jello> canon wars!11!!111
<Jello> :p
<RF> Fuck the movie.
<Jello> DVDs don't work that way
<RF> "losing the will to live" is dumb.
<Muuurgh> The droid was malfunctioning. :-P
<RF> Dumber than Jar Jar.
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<Jello> so is Anakin turning completely evil in 10 seconds
<RF> True...
<RF> But this deals with Padme.
<RF> So it gets double plus stupid points.
<Jello> yes
<Jello> I like how the Saga SB gave her a higher INT and WIS than Leia :p
<RF> :|
<RF> Padme--
<RF> We always get told that Padme was this good politician... but we never see it.
<RF> She just acts dumb.
<Jello> like Daala!
<RF> And makes babies.
<sabarte> Same with Dooku :P
<Jello> INT 3000
<Jello> :p
<sabarte> except for the babies
<Jello> well
<Jello> you know
<Jello> fanfic
<Jello> :p
<RF> 9_9
<sabarte> I'm not actually sure there's any Dookubaby fanfic
<RF> Reading about Dooku's lovelife, Jello?
<sabarte> at all
<RF> I'm sure there's... sketchy... Dooku fanfic.
<Trip> wait, /Padme/ has a higher INT and WIS than Leia?
<Jello> Yeah.
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<sabarte> Sketchy, yeah, but I can't recall anything offhand that has kids in it
<Jello> I was happy that Vader and Palpy's stats were better than Kenobi and Yoda, but Padme being more clever than Leia? lololol
<RF> Ah, so the progression goes Rocks > Padme > Leia
<sabarte> Is the JT chat over?
<RF> I dunno.
<Jello> I dunno, how long do chats usually last?
<Jello> it's been over 2 hours
<RF> Until we get off topic.
<RF> :p
<Jello> so, now?
<Jello> :p
<RF> Probably.