Bloodlines Chat
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19:59 <Dunc> Allo
19:59 <AnakinSolo> This is a bloodlines chat, correct?
19:59 <Haz> yup
20:00 <Dunc> Indeed.
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20:00 <Dgx> yep
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20:00 <Dunc> welcome back, LosDosMos
20:01 <LosDosMos> Ah, you saw me pop in earlier :p Just making sure this was working properly for me
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20:01 <Dunc> Yeah. :D
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20:01 <mandalore55> what's going on?
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20:02 <Dunc> Not too much, yet
20:02 <LosDosMos> Never done this before so, hello folks *waves* Glad you put a thread about this in the Lit forum, Dunc
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20:02 <Dgx> so.. im the only one who havent read the book?
20:02 <Haz> nope
20:02 <Dgx> great
20:02 <Haz> :D
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20:02 <Dunc> I read it twice...
20:02 <LosDosMos> Aw, y'all are gonna be spoiled :p I finished last night
20:02 <mandalore55> I read it once
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20:03 <Dgx> Im spoiled enough :)
20:03 <KolSkywalker> I finished last night as well, excellent book.
20:03 <LtNOWIS> read it once
20:03 <mandalore55> yeah
20:03 <LtNOWIS> finished it the day after release, which was 3 days after I got it.
20:03 <mandalore55> Boba Fett plotline was cool
20:03 * Dunc changes topic to 'Star Wars: Expanded Universe Bloodlines chat. WATCH FOR FALLING SPOILERS!.'
20:03 <Haz> heh
20:03 <LosDosMos> I thought it was good. I liked Betrayal, but I enjoyed this one more
20:03 <mandalore55> I thought Betrayal was better
20:04 <KolSkywalker> This chat is spoiler free right?
20:04 <LtNOWIS> I don't think so...
20:04 <KolSkywalker> I mean not spoiler free.
20:04 <Dunc> Everyone's gonna get spoiled
20:04 <mandalore55> hahaha
20:05 <LosDosMos> Besides, it's pretty clear where everything is going *cough*DarthDumbass*cough*
20:05 <Dunc> It's a Skywalker tradition.
20:05 <mandalore55> yeah
20:05 <mandalore55> It was easy to see that Mirta was Fett's granddaughter
20:05 <LtNOWIS> yeah
20:05 <KolSkywalker> Indeed it was, obvious to everyone except Fett.
20:06 <LtNOWIS> Even I suspected that, and I'm pretty dense about that sort of thing.
20:06 <LosDosMos> I enjoyed the Fett plotline, even though at first I was kind of ?? about why it was there. Intersected pretty well towards the end, imo.
20:06 <Dunc> I just wonder how Ailyn ended up witn a Mandelorian fathering her kid... Seems she's avoid them because of Boba.
20:06 <LosDosMos> Loved when Fett dropped the bombshell about Jaina's court-marshall on Han and Leia.
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20:07 <mandalore55> yeah
20:07 <KolSkywalker> Ailyn is more mandorlian then Boba..
20:07 <Dunc> Gah, a lot of words going to be murdered by my mad spelling skillz tonight.
20:07 <LosDosMos> Re: Ailyn, well, Mandos are hot :p
20:07 <KolSkywalker> She knows much more about their culture and language anyways..
20:07 <CorranHorn> lol
20:07 <mandalore55> I don't think so... can't be more mando than the mandalore
20:07 <KolSkywalker> Yea I know, but even he doesn't know much about his own people.
20:07 <mandalore55> that's true
20:07 <CorranHorn> but bobas just startin to be mando
20:07 <KolSkywalker> His buddy even said he just wears the armor.
20:07 <LtNOWIS> yeah
20:08 <LosDosMos> Fett as a Mando sort of sucks, though. Of course it looks like he's going to be better...
20:08 <mandalore55> Mirta is gonna teach him to be a good mando :)
20:08 <CorranHorn> agreed
20:08 <Dgx> so.. Bobba will be a better mando? that is his "legacy"?
20:08 <KolSkywalker> yeah, he should give up bounty hunting to be mandalor but i cant see him doing that
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20:08 <mandalore55> Do you think Boba will die in the legacy series?
20:08 <Dgx> he is not too old?
20:08 <Dgx> and sick?
20:08 <CorranHorn> maybe
20:08 <Dunc> I think it's likely
20:09 <Dunc> Realism and all.
20:09 <mandalore55> yeah
20:09 <Charlemagne19> He says he's got 30 years left in him
20:09 <CorranHorn> probably
20:09 <Dgx> oh..
20:09 <Charlemagne19> Heya, hope you don't mind me joining in
20:09 <KolSkywalker> unless he finds that clone trooper who's 140yrs old
20:09 <LosDosMos> I like Fett, but I wouldn't complain if he died. I think the Mandos would be in good hands with Mirta and this mysterious Kad'ika
20:09 <Dunc> Nah, welcome. :)
20:09 <LtNOWIS> I think he'll die
20:09 <KolSkywalker> and he is likely to find him more then anyone else
20:09 <mandalore55> I think Troy Denning will kill him off, he kills everybody :P
20:09 <CorranHorn> that trooper would be cool to turn out as ordo
20:09 <Dgx> i think its time for bobba to go..
20:09 <LosDosMos> No, Denning fakes killing characters, only to bring them back maimed :p
20:10 <Dunc> I am completely unattached to Boba. I just don't want to see the main story sidelined for him...
20:10 <CorranHorn> troy is going to stick with his characters just as aaron and karen wil stick to theirs
20:10 <LosDosMos> Poor Alema; what did ever do to deserve her treatment at Denning's hands? :p
20:10 <KolSkywalker> i dont think it is, karren travis will deal with him in her books i think
20:10 <KolSkywalker> since she writes him so well
20:10 <Charlemagne19> I'm a fan of Dennings Forgotten Realms books, so I'm familiar with the way Denning treats his characters
20:10 <mandalore55> yeah, but Denning killed Anakin, and maimed Aleema Rar
20:10 <Dunc> Did he create Alema? I don't remember if she was around before SBS.
20:10 <Charlemagne19> The more sympathetic you are, the more likely horrible fate will befall you
20:10 <Charlemagne19> I think he did.
20:10 <LosDosMos> Someone mentioned this in one of the Lit threads--it looks like it could be a 9-book series of 3 linked trilogies
20:11 <LtNOWIS> hey Charles. I'm just disagreeing with you on TFN right now.
20:11 <CorranHorn> alema was first in SBS
20:11 <Charlemagne19> No surprise there.
20:11 <LosDosMos> I'm an Anakin fangirl, so I refuse to believe he's REALLY dead :p He'll return and teach Jacen a lesson :p
20:11 <KolSkywalker> did everyone read the tempest pages at the end?
20:11 <Dunc> She's another one I just... meh.
20:11 <CorranHorn> i didnt finish the book yet
20:11 <KolSkywalker> lumiya pushed jacen out of the way of alema's dart or he would be toast.
20:11 <mandalore55> Anakin was killed in a cloning facility, so he could return
20:11 <CorranHorn> later
20:11 <Dunc> Were they really tempest? Total NJO flashback for me...
20:12 <Charlemagne19> Denning corrupted Cyric to become God of Evil in FR, Denning drove his Elf-Ranger Protagionist insane with the Shadow Weave (Dark Side), Denning offed the heroes of his own novel in a prologue in ToCTM
20:12 <LosDosMos> So much for Jacen's faaaaaaabulous Force powers *snorts*
20:12 <Dgx> did you guys want Anakin back?
20:12 <mandalore55> yeah
20:12 <Charlemagne19> It's pretty late to bring Anakin back
20:12 <Dunc> Nah, he should stay dead.
20:12 <LosDosMos> Definitely!
20:12 <KolSkywalker> but anakin is the best
20:12 <Dgx> Jacen is having a "good time" all the evil ones , have it
20:12 <Dunc> If they didn't resurrect him in the NJO, he's not coming back.
20:12 <KolSkywalker> and if they bring alema rar back and fett from being in the sarlaac twice, why not anakin?
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20:12 <mandalore55> who can defeat Jacen but Anakin
20:12 <LosDosMos> I'd like Jaina to stop be minimized, too
20:12 <KolSkywalker> he would whip jacen's ass.
20:12 <Charlemagne19> I wouldn't mind if they did the "Tidus" thing and a Force Doppleganger or something was summoned by the Sith only to fade away but to bring him back now would need a pretty big story
20:12 <Dunc> Unless Jacen starts seeing him in his head again or something.
20:13 <Dunc> That could be interesting.
20:13 <Charlemagne19> Yeah but let's face it, where's Anakin been for the past 10 years?
20:13 <Dunc> I think Ben will play a big role in Jacen's.. turnaround? Death? Who can say?
20:13 <Charlemagne19> It's also hard when they burn the body
20:13 <mandalore55> true
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20:13 <LosDosMos> Nah, the Vong shapers made a cloned body, and that's what Jaina and the others recovered on Myrkr
20:13 <KolSkywalker> but didnt the shapers have his body for a few hours
20:14 <KolSkywalker> before it was seen again
20:14 <Charlemagne19> In Ben's case, I like the kid but its hard to feel too sympathetic when he joins the Jacen Youth.
20:14 <Charlemagne19> Little Kid Compnor
20:14 <KolSkywalker> ah losdosmos, said it before me.
20:14 <mandalore55> the GAG is gonna be Jacen's 601st
20:14 <LosDosMos> Anakin's been held somewhere, somehow, by Thrackan...and now that he's dead, Anakin will find a way to escape and return to his family in time to defeat his brother
20:14 <Dunc> I'm already more interested in Ben than I was in the Solo kids... ever.
20:14 <mandalore55> I mean 501st
20:14 <Charlemagne19> Troy did an awesome job with Ben in Betrayal
20:14 <Dunc> Aaron, you mean?
20:15 <LtNOWIS> Did Denning do much with Jaina in the past? Because she's due for some PoV time.
20:15 <KolSkywalker> yea mandalore55, but GAG doesnt seem to like jacen much
20:15 <LosDosMos> Ben was a bit dense in this book, but he'll get straightened out soon, no worries
20:15 <mandalore55> You think Ben will be Jacen's sith apprentice
20:15 <Charlemagne19> Did you hear the story about how Troy originally intended Ben to never be a Jedi though?
20:15 <LosDosMos> Jaina needs to actually DO something.
20:15 <Charlemagne19> Nah. I think it's set up for an ESB moment. Ben rejects Jacen when he finds out he's bugnuts
20:15 <Dunc> Too obvious, with half the boards crying for it.
20:15 <mandalore55> yeah
20:15 <LosDosMos> No, Charles, what was that?
20:15 <mandalore55> who will Jacen's apprentice be?
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20:15 <Charlemagne19> The whole "Dark Nest" plot where Ben rejected the Force was meant to be permanent.
20:15 <Dgx> Ben has to reject jacen!
20:16 * Dunc snorts.
20:16 <KolSkywalker> That would have been stupid, just like his whole bug idea.
20:16 <Dunc> In the EU, nothing is permanent.
20:16 <LosDosMos> Actually I find it kind of eyeroll-worthy that Luke and Mara are/were SO intent on Ben becoming a Jedi. Yeah, because it's worked out so well for the rest of the Skywalkers and Solos...
20:16 <Charlemagne19> They wanted him to be the Han ironically. Then, Del Ray said that he had to become a Jedi.
20:16 <mandalore55> But who would be Jacen's apprentice
20:16 <KolSkywalker> Making Jaina a bug? worst idea ever imo
20:16 <Charlemagne19> Well to be fair, Jacen and Jaina were fine at that time.
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20:16 <Charlemagne19> Yes, that was a "Woman in Refrigerator" moment (if you're familiar with comic terminology).
20:16 <Dunc> Jacen and Jaina were never fine. YJK? Biggest turn-off EVER.
20:16 <LosDosMos> What's wrong with NOT becoming a Jedi? It's not like it's the only worthy profession in the galaxy. If I had the baggage that Ben's family comes with, I wouldn't want to be part of it either. Hence Cade
20:17 <mandalore55> never read it
20:17 <Charlemagne19> Jacen was a "special needs" child in YJK. He acted like a 6 year old.
20:17 <LosDosMos> They were kind of dorky in YJK ("Blaster bolts!") but sweet enough kids, imo
20:17 <LtNOWIS> I haven't read anything from HoT duology until LotF.
20:17 <Charlemagne19> You haven't missed much Lt.
20:17 <Dunc> I couldn't make it past three books of the YJK. Gave up on them then and there, and it took Traitor to awaken any interest in Jacen at all.
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20:17 <mandalore55> NJO was pretty good
20:17 <LosDosMos> Wow, no NJO? I plowed through the whole thing in the month and a half before Betrayal. I don't remember most of it :p
20:18 <Charlemagne19> Oddly, Junior Jedi Knights was made for an even younger audience yet Anakin was more mature at 8 than jacen at 13.
20:18 <KolSkywalker> poor anakin, it makes me sad talking about him
20:18 <Revan> yeah
20:18 <mandalore55> he'll be back
20:18 <Revan> how?
20:18 <Dunc> There wasn't very much going on in the NJO for me. Hated the Vong, didn't care for the Solo kids or the OCs...
20:18 <Charlemagne19> Yes and so will Tarkin.
20:18 <LosDosMos> That's because Anakin rockz :p He was always portrayed as just a bit more special than the twins. HE was supposed to be the one to pick up Luke's torch in the next generation
20:18 <KolSkywalker> hopefully atleast in ghost form
20:19 <Dgx> maybe he can be back as a force ghost
20:19 <LtNOWIS> I have to read all the prequel and Bantam books before NJO...
20:19 <KolSkywalker> to knock sense into jacen
20:19 <Dunc> I started with HTTE.
20:19 <Charlemagne19> Thats where everyone started Dunc.
20:19 <Charlemagne19> It's a good place to
20:19 <LtNOWIS> yeah
20:19 <mandalore55> why does Jacen want his family dead, I never got that?
20:19 <Dunc> Read em all as they came out, since DFR. A few exceptions, but not many.
20:19 <LosDosMos> Jacen will have to be utterly defeated and alone to have any sense knocked into him.
20:19 <KolSkywalker> the ultimate sacrifice, no attachments = killing allana and tenel ka
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20:19 <LtNOWIS> He thinks love of family is selfish
20:19 <KolSkywalker> he doesnt want to repeat vaders mistake
20:19 <KolSkywalker> with padme
20:19 <Charlemagne19> My best explanation for Jacen's behavior is there's a literal Dark Side of the Force and Lumiya has utterly fracked with his head using it
20:19 <Dgx> hey.. quick question.. Luke is the only one who can beat Jacen??
20:20 <mandalore55> but didn't he become Sith to make a saffer galaxy for them?
20:20 <Dunc> Lumiya told him he's have to scarifice Tenel Ka and the kid to save the galaxy.
20:20 <LosDosMos> I think he'll kill Tenal Ka (big loss) but that Han and Leia will escape with Allana
20:20 <mandalore55> ohh
20:20 <Dunc> I don't think Luke will save the day this time.
20:20 <Charlemagne19> No, Jacen can be BEATEN by other Jedi I'm sure. However, he's probably No. 2 in the NJO
20:20 <mandalore55> I think luke is gonna die
20:20 <Charlemagne19> I think Ben will beat Jacen
20:20 <LtNOWIS> I hope Jacen gets pwned by someone lame, like Palpy did.
20:20 <Charlemagne19> They say that EVERY book
20:20 <KolSkywalker> I dont think Luke is the only one, just becuase one is more powerful does not make them win a lightsaber/force duel. Obi-Wan vs the Chosen one, anyone??
20:21 <mandalore55> Jacen is definetly gonna kill Jaina
20:21 <LosDosMos> Lumiya probably has done some fracking with Jacen's head--he's too arrogant about his Mad Force Skillz to think she could manage it--but I don't think he needed much pushing. He's been going dark since at LEAST TUF
20:21 <Charlemagne19> I don't think they're going to wipe out the solos Mandalore
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20:21 <Dgx> maybe Luke will fight Jacen... luke dies and Ben gives the final strike :S
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20:21 <Dunc> No, Jaina will survive. She might defect, but she'll survice.
20:21 <Dunc> I think Allana will, too.
20:21 <mandalore55> She played a small role
20:21 <mandalore55> Jaina I mean
20:21 <Charlemagne19> Yes, they didn't even name her til Book 2
20:22 <Commander5052> So who do you guys think the Clone is? My money's on Ordo.
20:22 <Charlemagne19> err 3
20:22 <LosDosMos> I think Ben is too young to defeat Jacen, and I hope someone besides Luke gets to save the day for once...I think Jacen will kill Zekk, thus breaking her heart, and leading to her marrying Jag and producing the Fel line in Legacy
20:22 <KolSkywalker> im hoping Jaina will be the ultimate hero of this series
20:22 <LtNOWIS> I'll say Corr, just to go out on a limb.
20:22 <Dgx> Jaina? dont think so..
20:22 <Dunc> Look to DE, folks...
20:22 <Charlemagne19> I hate Jag. I don't know what bugs me about him so much.
20:22 <Commander5052> Interesting...I forgot about Corr...
20:22 <Charlemagne19> I like the IDEA of him but the character leaves me cold.
20:22 <mandalore55> Boba Fett is gonna kill Jacen with a blaster to the back
20:22 <Dunc> Jag I can take or leave.
20:22 <Dgx> maybe Katarn :S
20:22 <mandalore55> Jag rules!
20:22 <LosDosMos> I can't see TPTB killing of Jaina. Two Solo kids dead, the survivor a Sith? That's dark, even for DR
20:22 <Charlemagne19> And Ben will be 19 at the end of Legacy of the Force.
20:22 <KolSkywalker> dont underestimate katarn, ur right. :)
20:23 <Charlemagne19> It spans like 7 years
20:23 <Dunc> Katarn? Please.
20:23 <Commander5052> I personally prefer Jag to Kyp
20:23 <Charlemagne19> doesn't it?
20:23 <KolSkywalker> but no, he wont be the hero lol
20:23 <Dgx> if Katarn dies fightin Jacen i will be a happy man
20:23 <Charlemagne19> I like Kyp more but 16 years IS way too much of an age difference.
20:23 <mandalore55> no time frame on the series
20:23 <LosDosMos> Jag is kind of a static character. Re: the timeline, I thought only a few weeks passed between Betrayal and Bloodlines?
20:23 <Charlemagne19> OH, Troy DID try to kill Kyle Katarn in SBS!
20:23 <Charlemagne19> Lucasfilm said to remove the line he died
20:23 <LosDosMos> Kill Kyle? *gasps*
20:23 <Commander5052> RE Timeline: I thought it spanned two years.
20:23 <KolSkywalker> yea to give the game a sequal
20:23 <Dgx> cool
20:24 <Dunc> I watched Kill Bill last night and I started visualizing Kyp as Michael Madson.
20:24 <KolSkywalker> hes one of the most powerful jedi knights u have to admit.
20:24 <Commander5052> Wow...how'd Denning kill off Kyle?
20:24 <Charlemagne19> No, I heard it was like some absurdly long number.
20:24 <Dunc> My god, WHY? Kyle needs to die.
20:24 <Charlemagne19> Denning had him die in some random space fight over Coruscant
20:24 <LosDosMos> It'll never happen, but it would be cool if Tahiri laid the smackdown to Jacen. "Anakin died to save YOU?"
20:24 <Commander5052> Kyle, go out in a dogfight? Ridiculous.
20:24 <Charlemagne19> You don't KILL characters like Kyle randomly Duncan
20:24 <Dgx> will Jacen have some allies? besides Lumiya ofcourse
20:24 <Dunc> I'm so sick of him showing up in books like he's important or something.
20:24 <Charlemagne19> You mean his 1 line mentions?
20:24 <Dunc> yes
20:25 <KolSkywalker> Katarn, Kyp, Corran...they all could stand their own against Jacen IMO. not saying their more poweful at all..
20:25 <Dunc> They bother me. I'm petty.
20:25 <Charlemagne19> Kyle isn't exactly dripping with exposure.
20:25 <Charlemagne19> Meh.
20:25 <LosDosMos> Aw, I like Kyle :p
20:25 <Commander5052> Anyone here think that they'll bring back other Marvel members besides Lumiya? I'd love to see Thorben or Jaxxon again.
20:25 <Charlemagne19> I do gotta admit, they need to stop writing book by comittee.
20:25 <Dunc> Was Jaxxon the rabbit?
20:25 <mandalore55> yeah
20:25 <LosDosMos> Anyone have any thoughts on who Jacen will take (or try to take) as a Sith apprentice?
20:25 <Commander5052> Yep
20:25 <Commander5052> Ben
20:25 <KolSkywalker> did u know it wasnt even supposed to be Lumiya as the women sith
20:25 <mandalore55> Ben
20:25 <Charlemagne19> Ben shouldn't in any way be Jacen's apprentice yet he has to be because Tempest was written first
20:25 <mandalore55> or Corran Horn's kid
20:25 <KolSkywalker> she just fit the bill so they made her lumiya
20:25 <Dunc> I think he'll stick with Ben. I think Lumiya wants Ben as well.
20:26 <Commander5052> Agreed
20:26 <Charlemagne19> Lumiya isn't really too well characterized, you might as well have her be the Devil herself for all her motivation
20:26 <Dunc> True.
20:26 <Commander5052> Meh, Palpy already did that.
20:26 <KolSkywalker> the only other choice i could see is tahiri, she likes pain too..
20:26 <LosDosMos> I know they want him, but Ben's supposed to have his ESB moment in Tempest. Will he stick with Jacen?
20:26 <LtNOWIS> I think not
20:26 <Commander5052> Dunno
20:26 <mandalore55> yes
20:26 <Charlemagne19> I think that he'll leave then
20:26 <Dgx> Jacen/Ben vs Luke/Jaina ??
20:26 <Charlemagne19> It's too risky to have Luke vs. Ben and Han vs. Jacen
20:27 <Dgx> tag team match!
20:27 <Commander5052> What do you think's going to happen to Mirta Gev?
20:27 <LosDosMos> Re: Tahiri, she hasn't trusted Jacen for, what, 6 years? Luke even banished her to Dagobah because she was so suspicious of his pet Jedi Jacen
20:27 <mandalore55> anybody think Jacen will make a sithspawn in Tempest?
20:27 <Charlemagne19> Okay, I checked, we were both wrong. It's 5 years
20:27 <KolSkywalker> LosDosMos, not only she was banished. And she was a jedi knight in betrayal doing important missions
20:27 <LosDosMos> Make a Sithspawn?
20:27 <Charlemagne19> so it'll be 18 when its over (Ben)
20:27 <LosDosMos> Thanks for the info Charles
20:27 <mandalore55> one of the tassels says he will make a pet
20:28 <LtNOWIS> Bly: dunno
20:28 <Charlemagne19> I think Alema's the obvious choice for 1st Sith apprentice.
20:28 <mandalore55> no, she hates Jacen
20:28 <mandalore55> she wants to kill him
20:28 <Charlemagne19> oh like that's ever stopped Sith before
20:28 <LosDosMos> Mirta Gev...she'll marry Ben and produce Antares Draco in Legacy :p
20:28 <mandalore55> true
20:28 <Dunc> I hyope not.
20:28 <Commander5052> Re: Alema, "Fear me, for I am Darth Slut!"
20:28 <Dgx> she hates jacen? thats even better to be a sith!
20:28 <LosDosMos> Darth Slut *dies*
20:28 <KolSkywalker> Alema needs to go, gorog still lives with her
20:28 <mandalore55> I didn't like Dark Nest that much
20:28 <KolSkywalker> Chiss might get mad if they know shes alive, as well. maybe that is how jag gets involved again
20:29 <Charlemagne19> Hell, if Jacen was Krayt (he's not) then Alema could be Talons' grammy
20:29 <Commander5052> Alema is definitely related to Darth Talon: they both have the same fashion sense. :P
20:29 <Dunc> Maybe Jag is chasing Alema...
20:29 <mandalore55> are chiss in GFFA?
20:29 <LosDosMos> Alema would sign up with Jacen if he goes so far as to want to kill his parents and sister. Alema hates Leia most of all, and if she thought Jacen was a path to causing Leia more pain...
20:29 <Charlemagne19> No, Chiss are independent
20:29 <KolSkywalker> remember the chiss were very mad because her body hasnt showed up
20:29 <KolSkywalker> and if she lives the dark nest lives
20:29 <Charlemagne19> Yeah, Alema went "what the hell?" at the end of the excerpt when she found out Jacen was Sith
20:29 <Commander5052> Is Zahn ever going to follow up on that hint on the end of Survivor's Quest?
20:30 <LosDosMos> Haaaaaated DN. Horrible characterization, too powerful Force powers (pardon the bad syntax)
20:30 <Charlemagne19> Nah, the Killiks expelled her so she's not a Joiner anymore. Remember you needed that funky ritual to create the Nest
20:30 <mandalore55> they need to kill the World Brain
20:30 <KolSkywalker> nope, even she says gorog is still living with her
20:30 <Charlemagne19> Which hint?
20:30 <KolSkywalker> as long as she lives it exists
20:30 <Dunc> Didn't she get the World Brain with the dart?
20:30 <Charlemagne19> Zahn has already said the Vong were the threat.
20:30 <Charlemagne19> He intends to drop more hints every book he does
20:30 <Commander5052> Charlemagne: the one where Luke and Mara discuss whether or not there's another Thrawn clone out there
20:30 <mandalore55> yeah, but Jacen went to go help it
20:30 <Charlemagne19> KolSkywalker: No, because she says in the excerpt its gone
20:31 <Charlemagne19> Commander5052: No, becase they thought it was Formbi and Formbi showed up earlier
20:31 <Dunc> Thrawn is SO DEAD IT HURTS.
20:31 <LosDosMos> Jacen's so far gone into the Dark side I don't know if he could help heal something if he tried
20:31 <Charlemagne19> in Outbound
20:31 <Commander5052> Dammit. Ah well.
20:31 <KolSkywalker> yes, jacen and lumiya chose between killing alema(jacen shot her with lightning) or healing the world brain. lumiya then called jacen hopeless
20:31 <mandalore55> What's gonna happen with Palleon?
20:31 <Dgx> there is no healin powers in the Dark side??
20:31 <Commander5052> He resigned
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20:31 <Dgx> Palleon is goin to have a glorius return! i hope..
20:32 <mandalore55> you think he'll come back
20:32 <KolSkywalker> its hinted palleon will be back
20:32 <Charlemagne19> Pellaeon is living off the blood of children anyway at this point.
20:32 <LosDosMos> Pellaeon leaving seems like it leads to the Empire destroying the GA in Legacy, or whatever
20:32 <mandalore55> he's awesome
20:32 <Commander5052> He's better than that evil Mon Cal
20:32 <LtNOWIS> If the Empire defects and ruins the Alliance, Pellaeon should do that.
20:32 <Dgx> dman..i need to order the book..
20:32 <Charlemagne19> I imagine we'll see that Pellaeon's dying and appoints Fel as his successor.
20:32 <KolSkywalker> lumiya says she pursuaded admiral niathal
20:32 <mandalore55> possible
20:32 <Charlemagne19> Thus making Soonitor Fel the First
20:32 <KolSkywalker> wonder who else she used her powers against
20:32 <Commander5052> ReOooh...that'd be intersting....
20:32 <Commander5052> whoops. ttypo
20:33 <Commander5052> If Jag becomes an Emperor, who will he marry? :P
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20:33 <mandalore55> Jaian
20:33 <LtNOWIS> Jaina?
20:33 <mandalore55> I mean Jaina
20:33 <Charlemagne19> What I do hope is that Darth Krayt isn't on Korriban DURING Legay because it'd destroy all the coolness of Jacen reviving the Sith.
20:33 <LosDosMos> There's an argument for placing Legacy farther into the future, but I like trying to figure out how things in LotF will lead to what happens in Legacy
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20:33 <LosDosMos> Definitely Jaina
20:34 <KolSkywalker> charlemagne, he says hes there before legacy i believe
20:34 <Commander5052> sorry. connection screwed up.
20:34 <mandalore55> Is legacy canon?
20:34 <Charlemagne19> Troy says they're tying in the books to Legacy as best as possible so it's a smooth transition
20:34 <LosDosMos> Unless one of the authors somewhere pulls a random character out of their backside. Jag has only ever had eyes for Jaina
20:34 <Charlemagne19> I know, and that ticks me off Kol.
20:34 <KolSkywalker> lol, two sith orders existing at the same time without either knowing
20:34 <Dgx> haha
20:34 <Commander5052> Anyone here think there's any truth to the Mirta/Ben theories?
20:34 <LtNOWIS> that's possible...
20:34 <Charlemagne19> Counterpoint: Gavin married a human woman after only loving Bothan girl
20:34 <Dgx> maybe Kryat kills jacen :)
20:35 <Charlemagne19> Mirta's like in her 20s
20:35 <Commander5052> But Krayt IS Jacen! :P
20:35 <Charlemagne19> I think that's sorta dumb
20:35 <KolSkywalker> anyone see the cover for legacy 10 i believe
20:35 <LosDosMos> I like Mirta; that would be fine with me. Certainly a nice bit of irony.
20:35 <Charlemagne19> She's been married before at this point
20:35 <Commander5052> Re: Mirta, whoops, forgot about that
20:35 <LtNOWIS> Well, Padme was a lot older than Anakin...
20:35 <KolSkywalker> krayt is all big and monster like, armor took him over
20:35 <Dgx> so.. he kills himself!!:D
20:35 <LosDosMos> Do we really know how old Mirta is? Mandos marry around 16; I took her to be in her late teens
20:35 <KolSkywalker> 18
20:35 <Charlemagne19> Yeah, Ben will obviously have a designated love interest before it's over.
20:35 <Dgx> are we sure that monster is Kryat?
20:35 <mandalore55> mirta is like 18
20:35 <LtNOWIS> she's 18, I thought
20:35 <KolSkywalker> no, not sure. but it looks like it..
20:35 <Charlemagne19> I stand corrected
20:35 <Charlemagne19> Aleiyn married old.
20:36 <Dgx> and its Legacy 7 i think
20:36 <Commander5052> It's a pity Ailyn died. I kinda liked her.
20:36 <Charlemagne19> Padme/Anakin was creepy then too
20:36 <Charlemagne19> Ailyn never got to do anything
20:36 <mandalore55> nope
20:36 <Charlemagne19> Unless you count the retconned Boba Fett
20:36 <Dunc> Yeah, it's way too early to be thinking Mirta/Bem
20:36 <LosDosMos> I was surprised by Ailyn's death. It actually made me flinch a bit
20:36 <Commander5052> Charlemagne:Yeah, but still. Being Boba's kid is really cool.
20:37 <Dunc> Ailyn's death planted doubt in Ben's mind. Worked for me.
20:37 <Charlemagne19> I don't mind Evil Jacen. However, I think Traviss went off the deep end in making him evil
20:37 <LtNOWIS> maybe we can have more Ailyn stories later.
20:37 <Dgx> Ailyn :(
20:37 <Charlemagne19> Then again, him murdering Nelani was deep end too
20:37 <LtNOWIS> yeah
20:37 <Charlemagne19> There's not so much a slide to Darkness as Jacen jumping
20:37 <mandalore55> that was deeper
20:37 <KolSkywalker> i dont think she made him that evil, hes going to be more dark in every book
20:37 <Dunc> Jacen welcomed the dark side with open arms
20:37 <LosDosMos> I think a lot of Jacen's actions in Bloodlines can be rationalized pretty well, even though we all know he's a sociopath
20:37 <KolSkywalker> he killed a bounty hunter who was going to kill his family(and boba)
20:37 <mandalore55> because of Vergere
20:37 <Dgx> because there is no darkside :P
20:38 <Commander5052> I think each Legacy book will have Jacen kill someone in it.
20:38 <LosDosMos> Oh no, not Potentium :p
20:38 <Charlemagne19> Well, Jacen's most evil action is killing Nelani because of what might happen.
20:38 <mandalore55> was she a sith or a jedi
20:38 <Dgx> hahaha
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20:38 <KolSkywalker> yea nelani was much worse then what he did in bloodlines
20:38 <Dgx> i told the potentium stuff to some friends here. and they agree :S
20:38 <LosDosMos> Poor Nelani. I felt so badly for her. Though she gets what she deserves for having the hots for him :p
20:38 <Charlemagne19> I think the Potenium is dead, even though no one is bringing up the idea the Dark Side is corrupting
20:38 <KolSkywalker> the future is always in motion, when will no one learn that??
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20:38 <LosDosMos> Of course the Dark side is corrupting
20:39 <Charlemagne19> Kol: The future in motion is something everyone keeps forgetting when they say THE PROPHECY MUST BE FULFILLED
20:39 <KolSkywalker> true
20:39 <Commander5052> I really liked Nelani's character, it's a shame she was so besotted with Jacen that she didn't notice someone actually liked HER. *coughBencough*
20:39 <mandalore55> Ben was too young for Nelani
20:39 <Dunc> See, that was cute, Ben's thing for Nelani
20:39 <LtNOWIS> she couldn't feasably date him...
20:39 <KolSkywalker> yea i agree, nelani could have been a love interest for ben
20:39 <LosDosMos> Lol, cute little Ben with his cute little crush. If (when) he finds out that Jacen killed Nelani, he'll turn against him finally and forever, imo
20:40 <Dunc> Not a love interest, but a crush.
20:40 <LtNOWIS> well, at least not or a while
20:40 <Charlemagne19> Ben apparently likes older women according to this board
20:40 <mandalore55> haha
20:40 <Charlemagne19> Maybe Ben will marry a Horn daughter
20:40 <Dunc> Oye.
20:40 <Commander5052> Ben and Nelani was kinda like how in some sitcoms when a student falls in love with his teacher.
20:40 <Dunc> Please, no.
20:40 <KolSkywalker> shes wasnt much older i think
20:40 <LosDosMos> Nelani was, what, early to mid 20s?
20:40 <Charlemagne19> Corran Skywalker: I'M THE GREATEST JEDI THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN!
20:40 <Charlemagne19> Luke: Ben, shut your kid up
20:40 * Dunc winces
20:40 <LosDosMos> Lmao Charles
20:40 <mandalore55> when are they gonna make Jacen a master?
20:40 <Commander5052> No Horn's. Corran was ENOUGH. And with STackpole gone we might just be rid of him.
20:40 <LosDosMos> Tempest, probably
20:41 <Charlemagne19> Jacen's not even a JEDI according to Luke!
20:41 <LtNOWIS> Mand'alor: never, hopefully
20:41 <Charlemagne19> Luke: Jacen isn't under Jedi influence.
20:41 <Charlemagne19> Kyp: Let's make him a master.
20:41 <LosDosMos> Before it becomes too obvious to everyone that he's evil
20:41 <KolSkywalker> he isnt a jedi, its just what is on his ID
20:41 <Dgx> well done Kyp...
20:41 <Charlemagne19> Jacen is pretty obviously damn evil.
20:41 <LosDosMos> Kyp needs something to do
20:42 <Charlemagne19> I mean, the only thing he needs is some black robes and force lightning crackling around his hands while he has yellow contacts.
20:42 <mandalore55> Thracken had a crappy death imo
20:42 <LosDosMos> Well, Charles, obviously he's not, otherwise the rest of the Jedi would realize it.
20:42 <KolSkywalker> the only thing about jacen is that atleast he is taking action
20:42 <Charlemagne19> I admit, I didn't like it.
20:42 <Dunc> Thracken didn't deserve a good death.
20:42 <Commander5052> Jacen's proabably going to flow-walk back to the JAT and stop the SUncrusher from being destroyed. THAT will give Kyp something to do. :P
20:42 <LtNOWIS> I liked his death
20:42 <Charlemagne19> The Jedi DO realize it. Which is kinda weird. They had a whole meeting about "You know, Luke, your nephew is f*** up." it's just they had no solution for it
20:42 <Dgx> mm. how he died?
20:42 <LosDosMos> Not to mention the Coruscanti, and presumably other loyal GA citizens, who think Jacen is a great Jedi for actually getting off his shebs and DOING something
20:43 <Charlemagne19> Yeah, I keep wondering what is WRONG with the Galactic People
20:43 <KolSkywalker> yea and he isnt even a jedi so..
20:43 <Charlemagne19> Like "Hey, remember when we single handedly ended the Yuuzhan Vong War?"
20:43 <Charlemagne19> "Uhh..no."
20:43 <Commander5052> Mara was a moron in this book IMHO.
20:43 <Charlemagne19> "How about the Dark nest?"
20:43 <Charlemagne19> "That was the Jedi?"
20:43 <Charlemagne19> I mean, what do the Galactic People THINK the Jedi do?
20:43 <LosDosMos> I dunno, I think they realize Jacen is "different" and they certainly don't approve of or condone what he's doing...but none of them besides Luke, Leia, and Jaina seem to be thinking "Sith Lord!"
20:43 <Charlemagne19> Mara is taking anti-depressents
20:43 <Dunc> Mara has a blind spot the size of a Star Destroyer when it comes to Ben.
20:43 <Charlemagne19> That's my only explanation
20:43 <LtNOWIS> What was up with people not recognizing Han on the street?
20:43 <KolSkywalker> i dont think mara is a moron, atleast she talked to jacen like a friend.
20:44 <Commander5052> Random citizen: Hey, that Solo kid just interned a 1000 more people
20:44 <KolSkywalker> and she doesnt want to make ben a little mold of his parents
20:44 <Charlemagne19> Well maybe they thought Han was Thracken ;-)
20:44 <Charlemagne19> Identical COUSINS and you'll find...
20:44 <LosDosMos> Ugh, the internments were awful
20:44 <Commander5052> ANother random citizen: Good to know the Jedi are doing good
20:44 <imperial77> How about McEwok's theory that Mirta is Mara?
20:44 <imperial77> *Myri
20:44 <imperial77> Reading catchup. Sorry.
20:44 <LtNOWIS> well, some civvies didn't like the internments
20:44 <LosDosMos> Crackpot :p Sorry McEwok :p
20:44 <Dunc> McEwok takes the good drugs.
20:45 <LtNOWIS> yeah, just crazy McEwokism
20:45 <Commander5052> Jori Lekauf also scared me. Seriously, WHO REMEMBERS VADER AS A GOOD PERSON!?!
20:45 <Charlemagne19> I love how Karen Traviss inserted her Vader loving Stormtrooper from her short stories via his grandson
20:45 <mandalore55> his granddad
20:45 <Charlemagne19> Jinx Commander
20:45 <Commander5052> lol
20:45 <KolSkywalker> seems like vaders soldiers liked him
20:45 <mandalore55> good discussion but g2g
20:45 <KolSkywalker> jacens soldiers dont seem to care for him tho
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20:45 <Charlemagne19> I e-mailed Karen Traviss about that.
20:45 <LtNOWIS> at least they did in Lekauf's era
20:45 <imperial77> Lekauf?
20:45 <Charlemagne19> She responded to me.
20:45 <LosDosMos> Well, Vader was good to Lekauf, so it stands to reason the better aspects of his personality would be passed on and magnified throughout the family
20:46 <Commander5052> Yeah.
20:46 <LtNOWIS> right
20:46 <Dgx> everyone has a diferent opinion on everyone else :S
20:46 <imperial77> Vader just likes people who do what he says.
20:46 <Charlemagne19> Karen said and I quote "Vader is the kind of commander that the common soldier loves. He demands the best from them and they respect that. The fact he also goes to ground with them also wins great praise from them."
20:46 <LtNOWIS> I'm sure Needa's grandson has a different opinion.
20:46 <Commander5052> If you get on Vader's good side, he can be a very good ally and very forgiving. Just look at Piett.
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20:46 <Enfilade> Hello
20:46 <LosDosMos> Vader was awful, obviously, but we know from the events of RotJ that he was never completely bad. He was loyal to his soldiers; that goes back to Anakin during the Clone Wars
20:46 <Charlemagne19> I bet Needa's grandson wrote a tell all book when he helped the Rebellion take Coruscant in Wedge's Gamble
20:47 <LosDosMos> Hello *waves*
20:47 <Dgx> thats true Commander5052
20:47 <Charlemagne19> Vader just hated the officer's core
20:47 <LtNOWIS> Needa wasn't that old...
20:47 <Commander5052> Ozzel was though
20:47 <Charlemagne19> Well Leia is still in her twenties at 60 on her cover :-)
20:47 <Dgx> hahaha
20:47 <Commander5052> Though he was just "clumsy and stupid"
20:47 <Charlemagne19> Except she has a Polgara/Rogue white strip in her hair
20:48 <LosDosMos> Anakin wanted to go back and help Odd Ball in RotS, OVER saving Palpatine's life; Vader takes his TIE out in ANH to help the clones and defend the Death Star personally. Common grunts like that sort of thing in commanders
20:48 <LosDosMos> Oy, the Exile cover. FUGLY.
20:48 <Commander5052> RE Leia: That cover kinda scared me
20:48 <Charlemagne19> Yeah, Vader worked his way up from the ground
20:48 <Dgx> Exile cover...weird
20:48 <LtNOWIS> Actually, I think Needa was a Clone Wars vet...
20:48 <Dgx> maybe its really Jaina in the cover :o
20:48 <Charlemagne19> I think to be a Captain you have to expect needa was in his 40s
20:48 <Commander5052> Needa served as a Commander in home fleet strike group five.
20:48 <LosDosMos> I wish we could have the dude who does the Japanese covers. Those bring teh pretty
20:49 <Commander5052> See the ROTS novel for Needa
20:49 <KolSkywalker> the force does well for ur physical features :)
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20:49 <Dgx> Outbound Flight japanese cover is great!
20:49 <Dgx> looks like a movie poster
20:49 <Charlemagne19> Eh, Leia and Han just had work done ;-)
20:49 <LtNOWIS> I like the Legacy covers, although Exile is less good.
20:49 <Charlemagne19> they went to Mara's surgeon
20:49 <LosDosMos> Unless you use them to cloak entire ships and takes years off your life, like in DN :p
20:50 <Commander5052> Japanese covers have three rules: One, they rocke. Two: they must be better than American ones. Three: All women on them must be "teh uber hawt111!!"
20:50 <Charlemagne19> I wonder if someone could do a big shirt with Jacen's picture on it and under it say "I KILL CHILDREN"
20:50 <Charlemagne19> You could do a vader one too
20:50 <Commander5052> I'd buy that!
20:50 <imperial77b> Yuuzhan Vong beauty products. Harrar mentioned them in Final Prophecy
20:50 <LosDosMos> Yeah, the Japanese cover chicks are all awfully pretty
20:50 <Charlemagne19> Tahari post Vong was pretty damn hot on those covers
20:50 <KolSkywalker> would that not be more suited for vader, what children has jacen killed yet
20:50 <LtNOWIS> although, I don't think Jacen has killed any kids yet
20:50 <Commander5052> RE: Japanese covers, Amen. As was Jaina
20:50 <Dunc> Give him a book or two
20:50 <KolSkywalker> lol
20:51 <LosDosMos> Jacen's could be, "I intern and kill innocent civilians"
20:51 <Charlemagne19> Dare him to kill a Nursery to show he's not attached and he'll go Ginsu
20:51 <LosDosMos> Lol
20:51 <KolSkywalker> i dont think he can kill allana
20:51 <Commander5052> Pfeh. Ani didnt have any problem asphyxiating Pdme
20:51 <Dgx> Tenel Ka will die first
20:51 <Charlemagne19> This is all just sexual tension.
20:51 <Charlemagne19> He needs to spend a few months with Tenel Ka
20:51 <KolSkywalker> tenel ka will chop off jacens arm like he did hers
20:51 <LosDosMos> Is it evil of me to hope he does kill Tenel Ka? :p I don't have a hate-on for the character or anything, I just think it would be a great way to evil Jacen up even more
20:51 <KolSkywalker> that would be neat :)
20:51 <Dunc> Maybe Allana's a chip off the old block and able to hold her own in a lightsaber fight at a tender age...
20:52 <KolSkywalker> but then she will die
20:52 <Charlemagne19> I admit, I wish Jacen were more borderline dark.
20:52 <Commander5052> If she is, she'll lose an arm
20:52 <Charlemagne19> It's like Anakin post AOTC
20:52 <Charlemagne19> after massacing the Tuskens, he's not terribly sympathetic
20:52 <Commander5052> Indeed
20:52 <LtNOWIS> yeah
20:52 <KolSkywalker> i would have killed all the tuskens if they killed my mother too
20:52 <LosDosMos> Anakin didn't mean to kill Padmé, just to shut her lying mouth :p His turning made her "lose the will to live"'; the damage from the Force choke had been healed
20:52 <LtNOWIS> there's less tragedy than with Vader.
20:53 <Charlemagne19> I DIDN'T JUST KILL THE MEN BUT THE WOMEN AND THE CHILDREN- Jacen Solo about his trip to McDonalds that afternoon
20:53 <LosDosMos> I would have killed the Tuskens. And that's why I'm glad Jedi and comic superheroes don't exist in the real world
20:53 <Charlemagne19> I admit, I wouldn't mind so much if Anakin had just slaughtred all the men. That would have left some room for doubt.
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20:53 <Charlemagne19> Or at least not mention whom he killed.
20:53 <Commander5052> Definitely.
20:53 <LosDosMos> Seriously, if I lived in the GFFA, I'd HATE the Jedi. Yeah, they save the day a lot, but what do they do in the meantime? Become Sith and slaughter billions of people. Not worth the trade-off, imo
20:54 <Charlemagne19> Hey Rohniss!
20:54 <imperial77b> Death Star, anyone?
20:54 <Rohniss> sup charles
20:54 <KolSkywalker> if qui gon lived he would have taught anakin right
20:54 <Charlemagne19> Discussing who was worse, Jacen or Anakin
20:54 <Dgx> Hello Rohniss
20:54 <LosDosMos> I agree Kol
20:54 <KolSkywalker> obi wan wasnt ready to teach at all.
20:54 <Dunc> But if Jacen's worse, that makes him a Gary Stu, right?
20:54 <LtNOWIS> Jacen is just dumb for trusting the Sith
20:54 <Rohniss> I already posted on the boards.. but Id say Jacen..
20:54 <Dunc> God forbid anyone out-ass Anakin.
20:54 <Dgx> i think until now.. Jacen
20:54 <Charlemagne19> LosDosMos, yeah but then there's the problem that Star Wars is a crazzzzzzzzy place. You get rid of the Jeid the Sith are gone but then the Mandalorian-Yuuzhan Vong-Robot Gerbils from Space show up and then you're screwed
20:55 <LosDosMos> Oh, Jacen is worse. He may not do the damage Vader did, but Anakin was f'ed up by the Jedi and Palpatine. Big difference between him and Jacen
20:55 <Charlemagne19> The Prequels Ruined Obi Wan's line about "Training as well as Yoda"
20:55 <Charlemagne19> in the end, Ben didn't do anything wrong!
20:55 <LosDosMos> Charles, and then you destroy them with Palpatine's Nostril :p
20:55 <Rohniss> nope Anakin just played like a Harp
20:55 <Charlemagne19> Palpatine's Nostril is stopped up!
20:55 <Charlemagne19> Palpatine: CURSES!
20:55 <imperial77b> Just use Star Destroyers.
20:55 <Commander5052> Star Wars is never going to have peace: the Jedi should accept. As Han put it in the BFC , "There's always going to be someone out there who doesn't want to join"
20:55 <imperial77b> Or X-wings.
20:56 <KolSkywalker> good chat, time to watch deadwood. later folks
20:56 <Charlemagne19> Yeah yeah and then the X-wings fall to the Dark Side!
20:56 <imperial77b> Bye!
20:56 <Charlemagne19> ;-)
20:56 <LosDosMos> The perfect sneeze, and killer phelgm flies everywhere, destroying all enemies!
20:56 <Dgx> bye
20:56 <imperial77b> Artoo killed billions?
20:56 <Dgx> Darth X-wingus
20:56 <LosDosMos> Artoo is badass.
20:56 <Charlemagne19> Artoo: And I didn't just kill the men BUT THE WOMEN AND THE CHILDREN
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20:56 <imperial77b> That interplanetary pool-shot!
20:56 <imperial77b> Exactly.
20:56 <imperial77b> BYSS.
20:56 <imperial77b> A BILLION CIVILIAN CASUALTIES.
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20:56 <imperial77b> And he's still happy.
20:56 <Charlemagne19> Yeah, anyone find that funny.
20:56 <LtNOWIS> man, the Empire reallly messed that up
20:56 <LosDosMos> But what's a billion in the GFFA?
20:56 <Commander5052> Artoo: Darth Whirr-beep-wheep
20:57 <Rohniss> well Artoo cant be unhappy
20:57 <Commander5052> As a sith, that is
20:57 <Charlemagne19> Kyp gets chewed out for killing a planet with 15 million and Leia/Han killed 19 billion on Byss
20:57 <imperial77b> Artoo is the Second Sith!
20:57 <Rohniss> hes programmed to be helpful and quirky
20:57 <LosDosMos> Sure, it was awful, and it sucks that they died, but the numbers are so large they really cease to have any sort of meaning
20:57 <Dgx> the Exiles are going to be Han andLeia?
20:57 <Charlemagne19> Artoo: Anakin, the Jedi hesitate to use powers that some find....unnatural.
20:57 <Charlemagne19> Yeah.
20:57 <Charlemagne19> THe Corellians and Alliance both declare them outlaws
20:57 <LtNOWIS> yeah
20:58 <Rohniss> "One man dies its a tradgedy, a million its a statistic" - Uncle Joe Stalin
20:58 <LosDosMos> Well, Leia should certainly be exiled from the Jedi if Luke and co. ever find out what she did for Corellia in Betrayal
20:58 <Charlemagne19> Yeah, why I never particularly like that argument
20:58 <Dgx> oh true!
20:58 <Charlemagne19> Luke doesn't seme enthuasiastic about the Alliance
20:58 <Commander5052> Who is?
20:58 <LtNOWIS> he shouldn't
20:58 <LosDosMos> What's with Leia in Bloodlines? She seems completely opposite of the decision she came to at the end of Betrayal
20:58 <Charlemagne19> It's weird, Corran was practically Sieg Heiling Cal Omas and now all the Jedi are barely tepid about the GA
20:59 <imperial77b> That's called Change of Author Syndrome.
20:59 <Charlemagne19> Han Solo: The Alliance is EVIL.
20:59 <imperial77b> Karen keeps saying she's a huge KJA fan.
20:59 <Rohniss> well Cal wasnt in Calpatine Mode in Bloodlines atleast
20:59 <Charlemagne19> Luke: Duh
20:59 <Commander5052> I nominate Corran to be the first Jedi killed by Jacen.
20:59 <Rohniss> Correction to Han: Jacen is EVIL
20:59 <LosDosMos> Just goes along with Han to get along, "Sure honey, I'll conspire to help you assassinate someone..."
20:59 <Dunc> But she doesn't read, so...
20:59 <Havac> Luke was pretty pro-GA with that Betrayal raid, but now he's waffling. What's up with that?
20:59 <Dunc> I can buy that
20:59 <Charlemagne19> Han wanted to kill his cousin. That seemed out of character.
20:59 <imperial77b> Always amazes me with Calpatine - leave a McEwokism to stew long enough, and people start to believe it.
20:59 <LosDosMos> Luke is wishy-washy. He was in the NJO, he is here
21:00 <Enfilade> Can someone tell me about McEwok? I hear a lot abotu him, but I don't knwo what he did that was so memorable....
21:00 <imperial77b> Jacen: I AM the Alliance!
21:00 <Dunc> Luke's not a political leader
21:00 <Charlemagne19> To be fair, the problem with that is that there wasn't much that could be done.
21:00 <Rohniss> Charles, Han has never liked Thracken.. as far back as AC Cripsin and Daley
21:00 <Commander5052> Luke: Not yet.
21:00 <LosDosMos> Omas was Calpatine in DN, but everyone was just so WEIRD in that book that I chalk it up to being Denninged
21:00 <LtNOWIS> Han killing Thracken was pretty bad-ass
21:00 <Commander5052> Jacen: It's treason then.
21:00 <Charlemagne19> I'm not saying he DOES, but slaying your identical cousin seems a little extreme
21:00 <Rohniss> Han didnt kill Thracken..
21:00 <LosDosMos> Mirta killed Thrackan
21:00 <Rohniss> The Fetts did
21:00 <Havac> han had good reason to kill Thrackan. I can buy that he wanted to, but the execution of it was weird.
21:00 <LtNOWIS> yeah, at least he wasn't enthused about it
21:00 <Charlemagne19> Troy Denning is an odd writer
21:00 <Charlemagne19> Do you know he's known as the "Guy who destroys Game Settings" In D&D fiction
21:00 <LosDosMos> To say the least :p
21:01 <Commander5052> And he created Alema Rar.
21:01 <Dunc> Denning is 50/50.
21:01 <Commander5052> Be right back
21:01 <imperial77b> What, AC/DC?
21:01 <Dunc> haha
21:01 <Charlemagne19> He once killed every Arch-villain in a game setting and brought peace to the land. Which is cool except for the fact it was a Post-Apocalypse Game Setting
21:01 <Charlemagne19> ;-)
21:01 <Rohniss> and Alema is back...
21:01 <Rohniss> Again..
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21:01 <LosDosMos> I understand Han WANTING to kill Thrackan, but to actually go and do it? I mean, even Greedo shot first :p
21:01 <Charlemagne19> Denning likes torturing Twilek girls
21:01 <KolSkywalker> I'm back, no deadwood on tonight
21:01 <Charlemagne19> Boba says that Han lied about that
21:01 * imperial77b shoots LosDosMos
21:01 <Charlemagne19> It was funny
21:01 <Rohniss> HAN SHOT FIRST !!
21:02 <LosDosMos> Please, I'm from Texas :p Like I've never been shot :p
21:02 <LosDosMos> At, anyway ;-)
21:02 <Rohniss> Lucas you raped my childhood
21:02 <Havac> heresy!
21:02 <KolSkywalker> im suprised boba let han kill him, it was boba's bounty
21:02 <KolSkywalker> he did that killing very un boba like
21:02 <Dunc> George Lucas raped my childhood and all I got was this damn wanky-ass fandom
21:02 <Charlemagne19> Lucas: My third trilogy of Star Wars will consist entirely of Jar Jar sexually assaulting the fans....via 3D
21:02 <Dgx> LOTF ruined star wars!
21:02 <LtNOWIS> hahahaha
21:02 <LosDosMos> I don't think there was much "letting"; Mirta just kind of went apesh*t and did it
21:03 <Charlemagne19> Lucas: And half the fans will still defend me
21:03 <Havac> ahhh, stinkin' lag
21:03 <LtNOWIS> yeah, Han had to protect his family, so he reluctantly killed Thrackan
21:03 <Commander5052> back
21:03 <LosDosMos> "Reluctantly killed." That seems like such a cop-out. Very Jacen-esque
21:03 <Rohniss> well Han's family really doenst need much protection
21:03 <imperial77b> Why *can't* Mirta be Myri (not read the bk)
21:03 <Havac> Charles, no, just no
21:03 <LtNOWIS> well, its' accurate
21:04 <Rohniss> 3 Jedi and Han the space bum with luck like no other
21:04 <KolSkywalker> han needs the most protection, anyone think hes gonna die this series?
21:04 <Dunc> Because that's inane, IMp
21:04 <Commander5052> Kol: Doubt it.
21:04 <LosDosMos> Was it really? I know Han waffled a bit, but he seemed pretty gung-ho about eliminating Thrackan
21:04 <imperial77b> Your opinion of profic has risen over the years, Dunc. ;¬)
21:04 <Commander5052> Well, yeah, why shouldn't he? The guy put out a contract on his family,
21:04 <LtNOWIS> he wasn't too thrilled about cold-bloodedly doing it
21:04 <Dunc> No, I've become resigned.
21:05 <LtNOWIS> although, he had been thinking about it back in Betrayal
21:05 <LosDosMos> It can't be true, because if a McEwok theory became canon, it would signify the end of the world :p
21:05 <Commander5052> NOWIS: Good point
21:05 <Charlemagne19> To remind folk once again. Every time a new book comes out, someone says "I think Han/Luke/Leia/Jar-Jar will die" and it NEVER HAPPENS
21:05 <Havac> Han's the most likely of the big 3 to go
21:05 <KolSkywalker> who is this McEwok? almost sounds as bad as...............supershadow
21:05 <LtNOWIS> sometime, it might...
21:05 <Rohniss> no.. McE does it for comedy value
21:05 <LtNOWIS> McEwok = TFN mod
21:06 <LosDosMos> He's not bad, he just enjoys riling people up with crackpot theories :p
21:06 <Dunc> Well, they both do it for the LULZ...
21:06 <Commander5052> No, McEwok isnt nearly as baf as SS
21:06 <KolSkywalker> ah ok lol
21:06 <Enfilade> ok, thanks
21:06 <Rohniss> and McE isnt a mod
21:06 <LosDosMos> Such as, Ben is the son of Mara and Anakin Solo :p
21:06 <Rohniss> hes a VIP
21:06 <LtNOWIS> oh, ok
21:06 <KolSkywalker> for comedy is one thing
21:06 <Havac> He's not a mod, just a BOoks section staffer
21:06 <Commander5052> We need QM and the other Sex Thread guys to come here. Then this place would really get started.
21:06 <Enfilade> crackpot theories can be fun until someone forgets/doesn't realize they're theories not facts
21:06 <Charlemagne19> McEwolk hasn't made any crazy theories for years. He tried to get rid of the nickname....it didn't work.
21:06 <LosDosMos> Though to be fair, he claims not to have invented that one
21:06 <Dgx> did you know the books dont come here to South America?? :(
21:06 <Rohniss> most of the thoery originates from the "Sex Thread" so.. :D
21:06 <LosDosMos> Amazon, Dgx?
21:07 <Commander5052> Anything for us tonight, then, Rohniss? :P
21:07 <Dgx> yep. but i mean in bookstores
21:07 <Rohniss> no im busy bieng a gun nut and correcting Charles
21:07 <LosDosMos> Yeah, that sucks. But thank God for the Internet, eh?
21:07 <Rohniss> on his ".45 Magnum"
21:07 <Dgx> right!
21:07 <Rohniss> in the Armour thread
21:07 <Commander5052> pity
21:08 <Charlemagne19> So when will Tholme die you think?
21:08 <Charlemagne19> OBVIOUSLY LEGACY!
21:08 <Havac> Heck, Rohniss *is* the sex thread
21:08 <Charlemagne19> ;-)
21:08 <KolSkywalker> tholme is krayt! lol
21:08 <LosDosMos> Lol
21:08 <Commander5052> Tholme? I kinda think the Jedi in that new Force Unleashed game kinda looks like him
21:08 <Dunc> Who is Tholme?
21:08 <Commander5052> Quinlan Vos's Jedi Master
21:08 <Dunc> ah
21:08 <LtNOWIS> Tholme = Clone Wars jedi
21:08 <LosDosMos> I wouldn't mind if they left the fates of Quin and the other surviving main characters of Republic just remain ambiguous
21:08 <Rohniss> on a off topic tangent.. Force Unleashed is Bad A**
21:08 <KolSkywalker> created by the same ppl who created the legacy comic
21:08 <Rohniss> or the video is
21:09 <Commander5052> Hell yeah it is
21:09 <LtNOWIS> Rohniss: yeah
21:09 <Dgx> but the video isnt the gameplay right?
21:09 <LosDosMos> But the PS3 is too expensive...
21:09 <Rohniss> then buy a 360
21:09 <Charlemagne19> On a related note, one of the Mandalorinas is named "Little Saber"
21:09 <Rohniss> heheh
21:09 <Charlemagne19> I think that's pretty obvious on whom HIS parents are
21:09 <LosDosMos> That's nearly as bad :p I won't be buying any next-gen consoles
21:09 <Havac> "who is Thome?" kickass spy Jedi Master
21:09 <Rohniss> im glad im not the only who thought that charles
21:09 <Commander5052> *cough*Darman JRcough*
21:09 <Charlemagne19> The P3 is getting a price reduction
21:09 <LosDosMos> His parents, Charles, or possibly grandparents
21:10 <LosDosMos> Well, maybe the Wii, that's nice and cheap
21:10 <Charlemagne19> I hope Karen doesn't have Darman let her go. It'd be horribly cool that way
21:10 <Charlemagne19> Ah yes, if Nintendo made any games. That would be good
21:10 <Rohniss> PS3's games may be 90 dollars according to a Sony exc.. though
21:10 <LtNOWIS> !!!
21:10 <LosDosMos> Her who, Charles? Etain?
21:10 <Charlemagne19> Yes
21:10 <LtNOWIS> I hope Etain joins the Empire.
21:10 <Rohniss> I hope shes killed..
21:10 <LosDosMos> The RepCom books will end badly and break my little fangirl heart
21:10 <Dgx> force unleashed is coming out in every console even Atari ST i think.. but no.. no PC
21:11 <Charlemagne19> I agree, killed works best
21:11 <LosDosMos> I them to live happily ever after, dammit :p
21:11 <imperial77b> Bardan is the Jedi Most Likely To Be Secduced by Coco Chanel Uniforms
21:11 <imperial77b> Or even Hugo Boss.
21:11 <Charlemagne19> Well at least we know that the Prequels ultimatey have a happy ending
21:11 <Enfilade> I guess we'll have to wait another, like, year and a half for book 4 to find out....
21:11 <Charlemagne19> THE EMPIRE IS VICTORIOUS AND THE SITH TRIUMPHANT
21:11 <Charlemagne19> ;-)
21:11 <LosDosMos> Bardan definitely likes his soldiering and uniform
21:11 <Havac> Actually, Kad'ika is . . . Korto Vos!
21:11 <Rohniss> and Aayla dies
21:11 <LtNOWIS> man, I love sweet uniforms
21:11 <Rohniss> NOOOOOO
21:11 <Rohniss> ill get you 5052
21:11 <Dunc> Kad'ika is the son of Korto and...
21:11 <Rohniss> me and Kar98 are coming for your cloned rear
21:11 <Enfilade> I think it'd be too easy for Darman to either kill etain OR let her go...I don't think he's ever gonna get to make that choice, something else will happen first IMHO. THat's my guess.
21:11 <Havac> I just want Vau to become an Inquisitor
21:12 <Charlemagne19> You know, I'd be more excited over Legacy if they were actually monthly
21:12 <Dunc> Wait, do we know if Etain had a boy or a girl?
21:12 <LtNOWIS> Vau doesn't have the Force
21:12 <Rohniss> boy
21:12 <Charlemagne19> and not QUARTERLY
21:12 <LosDosMos> Etain felt boy through the Force
21:12 <Dunc> nevermind, then
21:12 <Charlemagne19> Etain can feel rocks in the Force
21:12 <LosDosMos> Wait for the tpb :p
21:12 <Charlemagne19> Great, I can read it in 2012
21:13 <Dgx> when the re re re re re release of the OT come out :)
21:13 <Dunc> Legacy is reminding me why I frigging hate waiting for comic books.
21:13 <Rohniss> Id be excited if Dark horse stuck the schedule
21:13 <Dunc> I NEED AN ENTIRE STORY, DAMNIT!
21:13 <KolSkywalker> two legacy comics will be coming out at the same time pretty much
21:13 <Havac> Darman not having to make the choice would be kind of cheap, though
21:13 <Dgx> maybe they have a bad printer :S:S
21:13 <Rohniss> I JUST NOW got #9 from Amazon
21:13 <KolSkywalker> 4 isnt part of the ongoing story tho
21:13 <Havac> you don't need the FOrce to be an Inquisitor
21:13 <Commander5052> I really want to get 4. Nice to have another Stormioe story
21:14 <Charlemagne19> You usually do Havac
21:14 <Charlemagne19> Theres not exactly hundreds of them
21:14 <Dunc> I hope it's more than just a Stormie story...
21:14 <KolSkywalker> looks kind of weird though, art isnt done by jan in 4
21:14 <Dgx> hope Darth Maleval has something to do
21:14 <KolSkywalker> and with all the "noob" things..
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21:14 <KolSkywalker> does anyone feel like someone other then a solo/skywalker should be the hero for once?
21:14 <LtNOWIS> I thought you did
21:14 <Charlemagne19> It's weird, the only Dark Horse books that come out on time and regularly is the Manga
21:14 <Dunc> Learn a little more about the Sith Empire, maybe
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21:14 <Havac> you just need to be able to track and kill Jedi
21:14 <Commander5052> Yeah, but still. Davin's story in TMEC was my favorite one, so I hope this one is as good
21:14 <Charlemagne19> The Jedi Purge consists of Vader, a dozen Dark Jedi inquisitors, and some bounty hunters
21:15 <imperial77b> Charles, I never thought I'd see the day you described a Jedi feeling up her unborn son.
21:15 <LtNOWIS> dang lag...
21:15 <Enfilade> I dunno Havac...think about this...Darman's debating what to do and suddenly he sees Niner draw a bead on Etain...now what is he going to do...shoot his brother to save his girl friend or vice versa?
21:15 <Havac> there are non-FS Inquisitors -- let me check Wookiee
21:15 <LtNOWIS> "The Inquisitorius was a secret division of Imperial Intelligence consisting of dark side Force-sensitive agents known as Inquisitors."
21:15 <Commander5052> Enfilade: I'd say he'll slot Etain
21:15 <LosDosMos> It might depend on whether or not he knows about Darman Jr
21:15 <Charlemagne19> I'm bizarro charles, the Sith loving guy whom loves Moral ambiguity
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21:16 <LosDosMos> Shame that sociopath Kal doesn't die
21:16 <Rohniss> Kal isnt as bad as Vau
21:16 <LtNOWIS> I like Kal.
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21:16 <Commander5052> Kal SCARES me. And that's very hard to do
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21:16 <LosDosMos> No, but he's not good either
21:16 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Bizzarrrooooooooo
21:16 <Commander5052> As for Vau, he's just plain psycho. That I can live with
21:17 <LosDosMos> Kal reminds me of Jacen, deluded and justifying some of his actions
21:17 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Etain's not a very good Jedi anyway. I love how Traviss had them torturing people by book two *sarcasm*
21:17 <Commander5052> I gotta go. Nice chatting with everyone.
21:17 <LosDosMos> No, Etain is a crap Jedi, but that's why I like her. And at least she's self-aware enough to realize she needs to leave the Order
21:17 <Rohniss> shes just weak,..
21:17 <Rohniss> like Jusik
21:18 <imperial77b> Bye, '52
21:18 <Commander5052> I LIKED Jusik
21:18 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I don't get why every Jedi feels they need to leave the Order.
21:18 <Commander5052> And bye...
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21:18 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Is it wrong to have a FEW Jedi whom LIKE being Jedi?
21:18 <LosDosMos> Every Jedi? What, all 20?
21:18 <LosDosMos> Most of the characters DO like it, Charles. God knows why
21:18 <imperial77b> The other 5980 are Fallanassi illusions.
21:18 <LtNOWIS> you're not very Bizzaro.
21:18 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Every perspective Jedi except Obi Wan is a "rogue" with a secret love or reason to leave.
21:18 <imperial77b> Which explains the Jedi purge. :p
21:18 <LosDosMos> Some of them, like Anakin, want more. Some of them, like Obi-Wan, sublimate non-Jedi desires and stick to the straight and narrow
21:19 <imperial77b> perispacitive, you mean?
21:19 <Rohniss> obi wan had a secret loves too
21:19 <LosDosMos> Obi-Wan had Siri
21:19 <Rohniss> Ventress
21:19 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Yes, well I'm just too pleased at all the JEDI DEATHS in Legacy
21:19 <Rohniss> BDSM
21:19 <imperial77b> Anakin
21:19 <imperial77b> Padme
21:19 <LosDosMos> They just chose the Jedi over each other
21:19 <imperial77b> The list goes on, Charles.
21:19 <imperial77b> Obi-Wan was comfortable with his hypocrisy.
21:19 <Rohniss> I like it when characters die..
21:19 <LosDosMos> Etain and Jusik don't plan on doing that. But they're doing their duty and sticking it out through the Clone Wars, when Jedi are so needed
21:19 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I always liked Tholme. His response to Jedi attachments was "eh screw it"
21:19 <Rohniss> because it shows how human they really are
21:20 <imperial77b> Is that Bizarro?
21:20 <imperial77b> Agreed.
21:20 <imperial77b> Tholme, Quin, Ben, that guy on New Plympto.
21:20 <LosDosMos> What makes Tholme different from the other Jedi you dislike, Charles?
21:20 <imperial77b> You notice who the ones who *stay* Jedi are?
21:20 <imperial77b> A'Sharad.
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21:20 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I suppose what I dislike is the fact that most of the Jedi seem obsessed over the attachment rule.
21:20 <imperial77b> The misfits. The nutcases. The Treefuckers.
21:21 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Tholmes take is its really unimportant by comparison and it doesn't bother him.
21:21 <Dgx> (ehm.. what about bloodlines?)
21:21 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Everyone else treats it like its "Jesus is lord" part of the Jedi code as opposed to a minor and very interpretable bit of dogma
21:21 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Okay, back to Bloodlines.
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21:21 <imperial77b> Jacen? Sith lord. fits right in.
21:21 <LosDosMos> Tholme is a Master, though, right? He's older and has more autonomy. I completely understand younger Jedi Knights feeling more smothered by it.
21:21 <Rohniss> speaking of bloodlines
21:21 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Why the hell does everyone like Jacen in the galactic Alliance? How did he get promoted over Jaina?
21:22 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Shouldn't she be a General by now?
21:22 <Rohniss> Aside: Dunc, any chance of a VIP showing up like last time?
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21:22 <Dunc> I don't think so.
21:22 <Dgx> all the military stuff is for influence.. and luck
21:22 <LosDosMos> He didn't get promoted over her, they're of equal rank. Has Jaina actively been in the military?
21:22 <Dunc> It's like 2am in the UK
21:22 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Yeah, Karen fears the Force.net
21:22 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I think she thinks they plot against her life
21:22 <Dgx> its 8.20pm in Peru
21:22 <LosDosMos> Good thing we're not TF.N :p
21:22 <BizarroCharlemagne19> If he was Equal Rank he couldn't order her to blow up stuff
21:22 <imperial77b> Not really. Did Corran *ever* make colonel?
21:22 <BizarroCharlemagne19> She'd have seniority
21:23 <Rohniss> good thing Rohniss is capable of dealing with anyone messing with karen IRL
21:23 <Dunc> True, not all of us are TFN..
21:23 <LosDosMos> They were both Colonels, but he was in charge of Rogue Squadron
21:23 <imperial77b> When was Jaina boosted from Lt. Colonel to full?
21:23 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Which is asinine.
21:23 <Havac> Jaina's military status is weird -- it's like she got called back up
21:23 <BizarroCharlemagne19> And wasn't Rogue Squadron just Zekk, Jaina, and Jacen?
21:23 <imperial77b> Jedi Colonels?
21:23 <Havac> was she *leading* the Rogues?
21:23 <Dunc> That was really weird
21:23 <KolSkywalker> no
21:23 <KolSkywalker> thats all that was focused, karen said.
21:23 <imperial77b> Well, it's always been a political tool.
21:23 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Okay.
21:23 <LosDosMos> No, I think there were more; but it was just the 3 of them when Jacen blew up the civilian transport. For some reason.
21:23 <LtNOWIS> I thought Jaina joined back up for the war
21:23 <KolSkywalker> there could be a of other people, or even more jedi(i believe)
21:24 <Havac> Corran made colonel, imp
21:24 <imperial77b> Why need reasons when you have plot-driven storytelling?
21:24 <imperial77b> Thanks, Havac - any idea when?
21:24 <Havac> it was the three because they were one flight
21:24 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jacen has never served a day in his life in the military too
21:25 <LosDosMos> Opinons on Jacen blowing up the freighter?
21:25 <LtNOWIS> gotta go
21:25 <imperial77b> Not true - he had a squadron command for three months in DW.
21:25 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jacen is psychotic. Not a big change
21:25 <LtNOWIS> nice chatting with everyone
21:25 <BizarroCharlemagne19> touhe
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21:25 <Yrfeloran> he's a guy :P
21:25 <LosDosMos> Adios dude!
21:25 <KolSkywalker> military speaking it was right
21:25 <imperial77b> Bye, Nowis!
21:25 <Dgx> byee
21:25 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Soooooo Zekk still hot for Jaina or holding out for Jag?
21:25 <LosDosMos> I was looking for more than that, Bizarro :p
21:25 <Havac> by Dark Tide he was a colonel, but he got called back up, so I'd assume sometime just before he retired, post HOT
21:25 <LosDosMos> Zekk is hot for Jaina; Jacen will kill him, and she'll marry Jag
21:25 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jacen blew it up to start the war. I don't think he even understands what the hell he's doing from moment to moment anymore.
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21:26 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jacen is closest to Joruus C'boath. His logic is all off
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21:26 <Dunc> Good call.
21:26 <Dgx> Joruus was cool!
21:26 <Dunc> Joruus was an ass, too.
21:26 <Dgx> right you are
21:26 <Dunc> Jacen's just internalized it more
21:27 <KolSkywalker> the ship was still a threat and had entered the zone
21:27 <imperial77b> 'kay.
21:27 <imperial77b> Jacen = Palpatine
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21:27 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jacen Solo as Nixon: I wouldn't steal candy from a baby *lie detector goes off* Uhhh well even if I did, I wouldn't hurt the child *lie detectoe goes off*
21:27 <LosDosMos> Just Jorus, the non-clone. What a fruitcake.
21:27 <Dunc> No, not Palpy. Palpy didn't get his hnads dirty until the end./
21:27 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jorus C'boath: Hey five year old? Do you want to be a Jedi?
21:27 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Kid: YES!
21:27 <Havac> Jacen's closer to Dooku than Jorus -- he thinks he can bring order and peace through Sithdom
21:27 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jorus C'Boath: Excellent, come with me
21:27 <djreed> LoE Dooku I think is the best comparison, yeah
21:27 <Dgx> mm.. a LOTF Jacen figure is a good idea??
21:28 <Enfilade> Dar's relationship with Etain may change in book 3 too. Like, if he finds out she's pregnant and hasnt' told him
21:28 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Dooku had an idea of what he was doing. Jacen is making all sorts of crazy leaps
21:28 <BizarroCharlemagne19> He has no "plan" how to bring order
21:28 <LosDosMos> Well, Jacen is a complete sociopath. With a God complex.
21:28 <imperial77b> Jacen is basically roadkill on the fenders of the Force now.
21:28 <imperial77b> DE Palpatine.
21:28 <LosDosMos> Lol Imp
21:28 <imperial77b> Spot the Solobrat switcharoo.
21:29 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Anakin Solo comes back in Book 9: I've been trapped on LOST island! I was Jack!
21:29 <Dgx> hahaha
21:29 <KolSkywalker> lol
21:29 <KolSkywalker> Lost is a great show
21:29 <djreed> when the plot demands it, Star Wars sociopathy has a sudden on switch. It's like Force Users can cut the parts that bug them out of their brain.
21:29 <LosDosMos> If Anakin comes back, it'll have to be around 6 or 7. The "big incindiary event" that supposedly still to come, perhaps?
21:29 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Yes, well actually that has a prescedent. The whole "Dark Side consumption" thing
21:29 <imperial77b> Nahh. Jacen's schitzism (is that a word) is there as early as "Heirs to the Force"...
21:29 <imperial77b> Scene 1.
21:29 <imperial77b> Which is pretty amazing.
21:30 <Dgx> anakin wont come back
21:30 <imperial77b> Fully-outlined psychological complex.
21:30 <LosDosMos> Haven't read that one, but his arrogance is obvious from Vector Prime
21:30 <Dunc> He's dead, Jim
21:30 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Ah yes, in Young Jedi Knights where he and his incestous sister slaughter puppies while plotting to kill Tenel Ka
21:30 <Havac> I'm a little wary of calling Jacen a sociopath -- the problem is that he's so into cold logic that he's losing touch with morality
21:30 <imperial77b> *starts humming Flash Gordon theme*
21:30 <KolSkywalker> he better, if he doenst come back as a force ghost ill be pissed
21:30 <djreed> Honestly, I was bemused that Thracken couldn't clone Ani...
21:30 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jacen isn't a sociopath, it's just he's suddenly acting like one.
21:30 <Havac> If Anakin comes back, I'll vomit
21:30 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Karen wrote him like 3rd world dictators, whom had mental problems before
21:30 <BizarroCharlemagne19> *gets Havac vomit bucket*
21:30 <imperial77b> McEwok actually made a pretty good post about it today/yesterday at TF.N...
21:31 <imperial77b> The Last King of Corellia?
21:31 <BizarroCharlemagne19> My response to Anakin's ressurection
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21:31 <Rohniss> sorry
21:31 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Palpatine: You could be chancellor. Jar jar: Really? Palpatine: NOOooooooooooooooooooooooooo
21:31 <Rohniss> had to download chatzilla.. the client locked up for me
21:31 <imperial77b> ^^ Idi Amin joke. ;¬)
21:31 <LosDosMos> Last King of Corellia?
21:31 <Dgx> maybe they can do a robot.. who thinks is anakin! oh.. bad idea
21:31 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Ah poor Rohniss. While you were Gone, I dissolved the Senate and declared myself Emperor
21:31 <KolSkywalker> lol dgx
21:32 <imperial77b> The Last King of Scotland - one of the titles used by the Ugandan dictator Idi Amin
21:32 * Dunc snorts
21:32 <imperial77b> Now a novel and movie.
21:32 <BizarroCharlemagne19> The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.
21:32 <LosDosMos> Well, that sounds lovely :p
21:32 <Dgx> i found that part of betrayal sad.. poor little ugly robot :(
21:32 <djreed> Thrackan getting a blood sample is more plausible than Thrackan getting brain scans.. but wrong book.
21:32 <imperial77b> The Last King of Corellia - technically, Jacen Solo.
21:32 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Obviously Luke Skywalker will marry one of the Fel daughters and become the first Fel Eperor ;-)
21:32 <Rohniss> merely to spite J/J shippers charles
21:32 <Enfilade> I hope anakin stays dead
21:32 <Enfilade> both of them
21:32 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Luke: This whole democracy thing didn't work.
21:33 <imperial77b> It'll turn out that Tir's Dad and Shmi...
21:33 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Yes, of course.
21:33 <djreed> Is it strictly male-line, or would Jaina be Queen? :P
21:33 <Dgx> the three! counting the anakin robot :)
21:33 <djreed> she is the elder...
21:33 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Luke needs an illegitimate kid with Callista
21:33 <BizarroCharlemagne19> It can't make us respect them less at this point
21:33 <imperial77b> She'd be last queen, 'cuz the title gets swallowed up by Emperor when Jacen gets fillited.
21:33 <LosDosMos> Don't tell Windy you said that, Charles :p
21:33 <djreed> we need Han's other daughter :P
21:33 <imperial77b> Kiera? Whatsername?
21:33 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Whom went on to become LUMIYA!
21:33 <BizarroCharlemagne19> ;-)
21:34 <Dunc> Han's other daughter is marrys Jag... which is why Roan looks like him...
21:34 <Rohniss> after flowwalking back into the past
21:34 <Havac> dictator Luke: now that'll get the SOS thread crowd up in arms
21:34 <LosDosMos> Flowwalking is ridiculous
21:34 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Except Roan's daughter looks like Padme
21:34 <djreed> ugh, yes
21:34 <djreed> just Prequel references in general
21:34 <Rohniss> everytime i see that word.. I shudder
21:34 <Dunc> Allana is Mommy #2?
21:34 <djreed> suddenly everyone knows EVERYTHING about the prequels.
21:34 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Have Jacen marry Jag. They're doing wonderful things with genetics these days.
21:34 <Rohniss> no..
21:34 <Rohniss> Zekk marries jag
21:35 <LosDosMos> In book 9, Jacen should be stripped out power like Ulic Qel-Droma so flowwalking can never be passed on to other Force users
21:35 <BizarroCharlemagne19> That works!
21:35 <LosDosMos> Kyp marries Jacen?
21:35 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Wait, i've got it!
21:35 <djreed> Taun We magically knows the contents of a private conversation between Dooku and Jango, etc.
21:35 <BizarroCharlemagne19> BEN MARRIES FEL'S YOUNGEST DAUGHTER!
21:35 <KolSkywalker> why not flowwalk back in time and save anakin, take him as his sith apprentice
21:35 <LosDosMos> Wow, that actually hadn't occured to me
21:35 <KolSkywalker> lol
21:35 <Havac> flowwalking flowwalking flowwalking :-p
21:35 <imperial77b> She's Tahiri's age... no, wait.
21:35 <KolSkywalker> anakin solo, that is
21:35 <imperial77b> Jacen goes off to become a poor man's Jaalib Brandl.
21:35 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Marka Ragnos flowwalks forward to have sex with Shimmi
21:36 <imperial77b> That works.
21:36 <Dgx> i want to flowwalk :(
21:36 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Marka Ragnos: I have the Horny Helmet
21:36 <Rohniss> rofls
21:36 <Rohniss> the Horny helment.. a decendant of the FSH
21:36 <LosDosMos> But Anakin wasn't a halfbreed :p It'd have to Exar Kun or somebody
21:36 <imperial77b> Jacen kills someone to bring back Anakin.
21:36 <KolSkywalker> i thought he was gonna really talk to vader, im glad he held himself back. hes not that crazy yet
21:36 <Havac> that's because taun We flowwalked into the conversation, djreed
21:36 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Marka Ragnos: Shmi just had dominant genes
21:37 <Dgx> Jacen can interfiere with the past??
21:37 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jacen Solo talks to Anakin could be interesting
21:37 <LosDosMos> Whatever Charles :p
21:37 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Anakin: I'm going to turn in Palpatine and confess my sins!
21:37 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jacen: NO! You musn't!
21:37 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Anakin: Huh? Okay
21:37 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jacen: Whew.
21:37 <Rohniss> Who are you?
21:37 <Rohniss> Jacen: isnt important
21:37 <Havac> I'm just scared of Ragnos's beard
21:38 <Rohniss> I was diappointed by Ragnos
21:38 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Ragnos: Walk like an Egyptian....err I mean Sith
21:38 <LosDosMos> Dgx--Jacen interfered with the past when he flowwalked in DN. He ended up saving Raynar Thul and Lomi Plo
21:38 <Rohniss> I owned him in JK:JA
21:38 <djreed> it's very very silly. HOW is everyone supposed to know all about the prequels, even the secret stuff, after 60 years have gone by with zero knowledge .sigh.
21:38 <Havac> Jacen can't bring back Anakin -- flowwalking follows the rules of logic where you can't change the past
21:38 <LosDosMos> Artoo is just that badass, apparently
21:38 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Djreed: The whole point is everyone knew, they just didn't mention it
21:38 <Dunc> Artoo is more badass than anyone - even Fett
21:38 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Djreed: The in-universe explanation is the Clone Wars had all records erased because Palpatine had them altered to remove references to the Jedi Knights.
21:38 <KolSkywalker> indeed he did, so why couldnt he go save anakin solo. and why doesnt he think of his lil brother once in these books
21:38 <Dgx> can artoo flowwalk?
21:38 <LosDosMos> Nah, Threepio pwns all
21:39 <Dunc> Artoo flowrolls.
21:39 <LosDosMos> Because he's an egomaniacal sociopath!
21:39 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jacen hates Anakin. I think that's the only explanation. Remember when Shimmra revealed in TUF that Vegere killed Anakin
21:39 <djreed> yes, I understand that, but someone give me a VAGUELY plausible reason for Taun We to know what she knew.
21:39 <Havac> dj -- blame it on VOren
21:39 <Rohniss> what charles?
21:39 <imperial77b> djreed - Artoo was a keen amateur video operator.
21:39 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Taun We probably works with the Clones of the Mandos
21:39 <LosDosMos> Jacen knew Anakin was a better Jedi Knight than he could ever be
21:39 <Rohniss> I didnt read TUF.. gave up on NJO after Traitor
21:39 <imperial77b> Voren and Arhul never told an honest word.
21:40 <BizarroCharlemagne19> She was behind the Rebellion against the Empire youknow
21:40 <LosDosMos> But where does Ko Sai fit in?
21:40 <KolSkywalker> yes he did los, jacen wasnt sure what he would become even at the start of the vong war
21:40 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Voren takes a lot of flack. Just because he called it the EVIL Empire, people say he has no impartiality
21:40 <Rohniss> Morally Questionable
21:40 <Rohniss> would have been better than Evil
21:40 <djreed> There is no way that conversation would have ever become public unless Dooku's Secret Diary got published or something. meh
21:41 <Rohniss> well they did find Nutes Chair
21:41 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Taun We probably stole Dooku's notes.
21:41 <imperial77b> Well, Arhul was Mon Mothma's speechwriter... and Voren was... kinda his pet idiot.
21:41 <LosDosMos> Jacen didn't KNOW anything, but he was sure convinced that everyone else was utterly wrong. And that was, what, 15 years ago? Before the Vong, before Vergere, before Lumiya. He was on the Sith path then
21:41 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Voren married Tarkin's niece you know
21:41 <imperial77b> Does he even *realise* his wife is NRI?
21:41 <djreed> I'd like to see some continued ignorance of the exact details of the prequels and the prequel EU, please
21:41 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Voren?
21:41 <imperial77b> Voren, aye.
21:42 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Well they had ignorance for 50 years, the in-universe explanation is somehow Voren found out it all
21:42 <Rohniss> Tarkin's niece is NRI?
21:42 <imperial77b> Nah, that would confuse the casual readers.
21:42 <imperial77b> Yep.
21:42 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I'm wondering if Voren just found Palpatine's stash of "Evil Plans" in a datapad marked with "Evil Plans" on it
21:42 <LosDosMos> I'm confused.
21:42 <imperial77b> Rivoche is as NRI as they come.
21:42 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Yeah, Tarkin's neice was a Republic spy
21:42 <BizarroCharlemagne19> You'd think Palpatine would have the whole "I caused the Clone Wars" and "I made Anakin" files shredded or something. Hell, even Ollie North was better than that
21:43 <Rohniss> lets leave Col. North outta it
21:43 <LosDosMos> But Palpatine's flaw was his arrogance. He didn't think anyone would ever be in the position to get those, or hurt him with them
21:43 <Rohniss> and Palps had a percant for keeping incriminating Documents
21:43 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I'll not insult the man. Distaste for his choices or not, I don't make light of Colonels easily
21:43 <Rohniss> Caamasi doc
21:43 <djreed> I mean, this wouldn't even be on the "Evil Plans" datapad! It was a private, top secret conversation, Taun We had no idea who Tyranus was at the time, Jango wouldn't gossip about it under contract, Dooku wouldn't care, and Spar isn't going to be mouthing off either.
21:44 <KolSkywalker> palpatines flaw was the lust for power
21:44 <LosDosMos> Taun We had Mad Skillz, dude
21:44 <djreed> yeah, but all the strongholds were gone over years before Sudden Revelation....
21:44 <djreed> it's a plot hole
21:44 <djreed> I know
21:44 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Maybe R2 was there
21:44 <djreed> and it's sad that I care :P
21:44 <Havac> Voren knows all -- but he never told Luke about what happened to his mother
21:44 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Since apparently R2 was EVERYWHERE according to Dark Nest
21:44 <LosDosMos> Meh, it'll get retconned eventually :p
21:44 <imperial77b> Is NEC before DN3?
21:44 <LosDosMos> Artoo was very sneaky
21:44 <Rohniss> that annoyed me most
21:44 <imperial77b> Artoo is George.
21:45 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Its about the same time
21:45 <Rohniss> was Artoo Anakin's spycam
21:45 <djreed> R2 was secretly working for Dooku?
21:45 <BizarroCharlemagne19> No, George is one of the lost 20
21:45 <BizarroCharlemagne19> His bust is in there
21:45 <BizarroCharlemagne19> So is Rick Macaclum
21:45 <imperial77b> Exar and Ulic
21:45 <BizarroCharlemagne19> And yes, R2 was playing both sides
21:45 <imperial77b> :p
21:45 <BizarroCharlemagne19> He was a Sith Droid
21:45 <BizarroCharlemagne19> R2's original programming was Hk-47
21:45 <Rohniss> Exar and Ulic werent lost 20
21:46 <Rohniss> they were knights
21:46 <imperial77b> Sure?
21:46 <Rohniss> but Exar was so Baddass it didnt matter
21:46 <BizarroCharlemagne19> *bleep* translates as "Meatbags"
21:46 <imperial77b> Do we have a List of the Lost 20?
21:46 <LosDosMos> Maybe an HK will be the pet Jacen fabricates :p
21:46 <djreed> actually that's almost plausible, considering he was Naboo government property hanging around the Queen...
21:46 <BizarroCharlemagne19> We only know 2
21:46 <Rohniss> no.. just only masters were supposed to be on the list
21:46 <djreed> it's argued. much.
21:46 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Darth Ruin, Dooku, and whomever Rick and George are supposed to be
21:47 <LosDosMos> Darth Ruin?
21:47 <Havac> Baron Papanoida's a Jedi?
21:47 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Yes, he's No. 1 on the Lost 20
21:47 <BizarroCharlemagne19> That would fit actually
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21:47 <imperial77b> How many Sith are there likely to be over 1000 years?
21:47 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Well there were 30,000 at Ruusan
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21:48 <Dgx> only sith.. or sith lords?
21:48 <imperial77b> I mean the thousand years *after* Ruusan.
21:48 <Rohniss> well we say a generation is 20 years.. so 1000/20?
21:48 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Apparently the Sith studied at the "George Lucas" school of tactics where the best way to win a fight is to charge your enemy
21:48 <imperial77b> 20? For Sith?
21:48 <imperial77b> Not longer?
21:48 <imperial77b> ;)
21:48 <BizarroCharlemagne19> George Lucas originally had only 13 Sith Lords
21:48 <BizarroCharlemagne19> If they recycle that then it's 13 Sith lords over 1000 years
21:49 <Rohniss> George Lucas hasnt ever heard of WWI or even the Civil War
21:49 <imperial77b> Is that canon, Charles. Held it.
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21:49 <imperial77b> *heard it*
21:49 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Plagueis might live a few centuries.
21:49 <imperial77b> but never seen a source.
21:49 <Rohniss> since those tactics were shown as a good way to die even then
21:49 <BizarroCharlemagne19> It was mentioned in Dark Horse comics' Tales of the Jedi
21:49 <djreed> Palpatine took over around 40...
21:49 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Ulic's lightsaber is in front of 13 lit lightsabers and they explain the significance in the Letter Column
21:49 <Enfilade> this was fun
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21:49 <Enfilade> see you guys later
21:49 <Havac> I'd guess there are a lot of failed Darths that didn't make it to Master
21:49 <BizarroCharlemagne19> On Tales of the Jedi 1
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21:50 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Agreed Rohniss
21:50 <djreed> it's cinematic though...
21:50 <imperial77b> But that's thirteen from *Ulic* surely.
21:50 <BizarroCharlemagne19> i'd like to see Jedi Apprentice series starring Ben and Jacen
21:50 <djreed> and Jedi tactics are worse....
21:50 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Well, its not-canon anymore
21:50 <BizarroCharlemagne19> obviously
21:50 <BizarroCharlemagne19> But Vader and Kun's hands were both on it
21:51 <imperial77b> Which suggests we're talking "Lord of the Sith"/"Sith'ari" in a sense more fundamental than simply "Sith Master".
21:51 <Rohniss> Jango has the WORST tactics
21:51 <Rohniss> lets close to 2 feet from a expert swordsman and try to shoot him
21:51 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jango wasn't even fighting lets' not forget. Obi Wan Kenobi ran up and football tackled him.
21:51 <LosDosMos> Jango got the shaft
21:51 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Which has got to rank as the CRAZIEST way to fight a Mandalorian of all time
21:51 <imperial77b> Do you think the Jedi were maybe working to sabotage the Empire?
21:51 <imperial77b> I mean... Dooku picks this *klutz*
21:51 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Well some were.
21:52 <Rohniss> A jedi was on the DS design team
21:52 <imperial77b> Whose skills at tracking may be great, but who's a *crap* combat soldier.
21:52 <imperial77b> Rohniss? Oh?
21:52 <Rohniss> lets put this cooling shaft right there striaght to the reactor core
21:52 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Colonel Renz, Rhan, Corwin Shelvey, Darrin Arkannian are the only four Jedi I know whom joined the Rebellion.
21:52 <imperial77b> Canon, or just a joke.
21:52 <Rohniss> joke
21:52 <LosDosMos> The clones were good during the Clone Wars; they didn't become crap until they were stormtroopers in ANH
21:52 <Rohniss> but makes you think
21:52 <imperial77b> Cavv Cryle.
21:53 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I think Jango just got the "Fett bad Luck"
21:53 <Rohniss> Los.. the clones werent even good in the CW
21:53 <BizarroCharlemagne19> They're ultimate badasses but BAD things seem to happen to them
21:53 <imperial77b> Walking into doors?
21:53 <djreed> suspension of disbelief. We're supposed to believe everyone is smart when they all act like idiots. Star Wars is basically "whose plan is least stupid?"
21:53 <Rohniss> its just George flipped the big.. "Invert character shields button" for o66
21:53 <imperial77b> Nahh. Fetts are sneaky.
21:53 <imperial77b> They're gutter crap.
21:53 <imperial77b> (Sorry Karen)
21:54 <Havac> Jango never closed with any Jedi -- he died in the arena because he counted on his broken jet pack to avoid closing
21:54 <LosDosMos> They seemed good enough to me *shrugs* Of course that could just be because Palps was manipulating it all :p
21:54 <BizarroCharlemagne19> well he did beat a Jedi to death with a rock
21:54 <djreed> Rebels: "Let's try to blow up the moon instead of flee!" Tarkin: "Oh, they can't possibly hurt us let's let them.." Survival of the least stupid.
21:54 <imperial77b> But they're not great fighters.
21:54 <Rohniss> Havac: should have kept the high ground
21:54 <imperial77b> Nah... Yavin was a trap, man.
21:54 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Well to be fair, the Rebellion sorta HAD to blow up the Death Star
21:54 <imperial77b> The Death Star was suckerpunched.
21:54 <imperial77b> Absolutely suckerpunched.
21:55 <LosDosMos> Jango should have just sniped at Jedi from the balcony. It's not like they weren't busy enough
21:55 <djreed> True, that's why they won the stupid-off :P
21:55 <Rohniss> the death star had the worst design flaw ever
21:55 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Yeah well that's actually kinda dangerous
21:55 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Most snipers don't have to deal with their bullets reflected back at them
21:55 <imperial77b> Continuity fubars have elevated Operation Skyhook to a piece of sublime military genius from Jan Dodonna.
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21:56 <Rohniss> most snipers like bieng camoflauged and firing from 1000 meters away too
21:56 <LosDosMos> Meh, he could've just ducked
21:56 <imperial77b> Yub yub, Rohniss.
21:56 * Dunc facepalms
21:57 <imperial77b> Right - I'm out!
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21:57 <Dgx> guys...im a click away to order Bloolines, is it worth 17$?? ( 7.95 + shippin :( )
21:57 <LosDosMos> Shooting at them from above HAD to have been the less stupid option between that and going down into the arena
21:57 <Rohniss> Id say yeah
21:57 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Not really
21:57 <Rohniss> Dgx
21:57 <Rohniss> whoa
21:57 <Rohniss> 17?
21:57 <Rohniss> or 7?
21:57 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I disagree.
21:57 <Rohniss> I just paid 7 dollars
21:57 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Not if you want to kill as many Jedi as possible
21:58 <LosDosMos> That's kind of a lot for a pb, though; you could wait and see about getting a used copy from someone on Amazon or something
21:58 <Dgx> the shipping its like 8 dollars
21:58 <LosDosMos> And look at how many he managed to kill down there, Charles :p
21:58 <Rohniss> where are you from Dgx?
21:58 * imperial77b is now known as McEwok
21:58 <Dgx> Peru
21:58 <McEwok> Okay, guys. I'm outa here.
21:58 <Rohniss> wait for it to come down
21:58 <Rohniss> then
21:58 <LosDosMos> Later dude
21:58 <Rohniss> 10 is as much as id pay
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21:58 <Rohniss> + S/H
21:59 <Dunc> You suck at undercover, hon
21:59 <Dgx> so its not worth it...
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21:59 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Well I've written 3 novels and I've got to admit, I feel like I could have written better the politics in these books. They seem pretty juvenile and unsympathetic
21:59 <McEwok> No-one else seems to have noticed.
21:59 * Dunc snorts
21:59 <Dgx> well Betrayal was a gift and i find it pretty good..
21:59 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Troy does great comedy and action sequences, less so politics. Ditto Karen
21:59 <LosDosMos> I don't buy the Corellia/GA conflict degenerating into civil war so quickly. Or at all, really
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21:59 <djreed> this is all plot-driven
22:00 <BizarroCharlemagne19> They needed Zhan for this or even Stackpole (and Stackpole isn't that good)
22:00 <djreed> not character-driven
22:00 * McEwok leaves, laughing...
22:00 <Rohniss> agreed
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22:00 <BizarroCharlemagne19> (good at politics not in general)
22:00 <Rohniss> Zahn and Stackpole report to Del Rey Stat
22:00 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Of course, Zhan's recent efforts havent' exactly been very ambitious.
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22:00 <LosDosMos> But with Stackpole comes a lot of Corran...I'm torn.
22:01 <Rohniss> or even Krapyshen
22:01 <Dgx> oh what the hell, im ordering it! if i dont do it now i will drink the money
22:01 <LosDosMos> Lol, good choice Dgx :p
22:01 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Stackpole's Bloodlines: Corran: Ah Jacen, you see, I ALONE have seen you're actually evil. Therefore, I'll make some snide comments about how you're a punk but ultimately do nothing.
22:01 <Rohniss> Beer is temporary
22:01 <Rohniss> Books are forever
22:01 <LosDosMos> Lmao Charles
22:01 <Rohniss> no
22:01 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Corran: I'm 60 years old but irresitaly sexy to all the women in this novel. Including Leia!
22:01 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Leia; Oh Corran
22:01 <Rohniss> Corran will sex Tenel Ka
22:01 <LosDosMos> Beer is really good, though
22:02 <Rohniss> and every other female first
22:02 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Corran: Hey Luke, you know why Jacen went Dark? Because I wasn't his master. I'll teach Ben.
22:02 <Dunc> Okay, okay, we get it...
22:02 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Luke: I know I could never teach him as well as you.
22:02 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I know, but it's good to run the joke into the ground if I can.
22:02 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Yeah, what is up with that anyway? Why ISN'T luke tecahing Ben?
22:02 <Rohniss> because Ben is afraid of him
22:02 <LosDosMos> Because he doesn't want to?
22:02 <Rohniss> for some reason
22:03 <Havac> Rohniss: so COrran is Chuck Norris?
22:03 <djreed> He likes having alone time with Mara?
22:03 <Rohniss> no Stackpole writes all of his OC's like that
22:03 <BizarroCharlemagne19> What's weird is Corran is Luke. He's just Luke if Luke was a d***
22:03 <Rohniss> read his Battletech works
22:03 <LosDosMos> Parents teaching kids is never really a good idea, imo. Weirds up all the dynamics. Kids need time away from parents
22:03 <Rohniss> Phelan Kell IS Corran horn
22:03 <Rohniss> he acts and TALKS JUST LIKE HIM
22:03 <Dgx> 15 - 24 days :/ till the book is here
22:03 <djreed> He's decided he wasn't really ready for parenthood afterall, and is making Jacen raise the brat?
22:03 <LosDosMos> Damn, that's some shipping delay
22:04 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Think about it. Corran Horn is a pilot whom discovers his Jedi heritage and is blonde with sandy hair.
22:04 <Dgx> i choose the cheap one :P
22:04 <LosDosMos> Well, that's understandable :p
22:04 <BizarroCharlemagne19> But yes, Stackpole's SW books are just like his Battletech Books
22:04 <LosDosMos> Leaves you more beer money ;-)
22:04 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Yssane Isard is a typical Evil Military Commander Girl
22:04 <Dgx> please Karen dont let me down !
22:04 <Havac> Corran's not blonde -- he's brunette
22:04 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Sandy Blonde i believe
22:05 <LosDosMos> Maybe Corran dyes his hair, like Exile Han
22:05 <Dunc> I'm not a fan either, but... Enough Corran-bashing,m okay?
22:05 <djreed> Rare is an evil female seen in Star Wars who's SANE
22:05 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Valin Horn: Ah Ben, its too bad you're not as cool as I am.
22:05 <Dunc> Put it in a to-go bag and take it home to TFN. :D
22:05 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Ben: Ah Valin, you're so wise.
22:05 <Rohniss> Alright you fascist
22:05 <Rohniss> :D
22:06 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Is Tavira sane or crazy?
22:06 <djreed> Ben needs to be apprenticed to Lando
22:06 <djreed> crazy!
22:06 <Havac> corran dyed his hair to vlonde for I, Jedi, so he's not blonde. all the illos show him brunette
22:06 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Well except the ones from AJ
22:06 <LosDosMos> Who is Tavira?
22:06 <Rohniss> lando would teach him to do colt 45 shots like a man
22:06 <BizarroCharlemagne19> He's blonde there too
22:06 <Rohniss> Tavira is villan in I, jedi
22:06 <djreed> indeed. and how to talk to women
22:06 <Rohniss> also a freak ho
22:06 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Oddly, Ben wouldn't learn how to gamble. Lando seems to suck at it
22:06 <LosDosMos> Haven't read it. Tried, was sickened by first-person Corran
22:07 <LosDosMos> Sorry Dunc :p
22:07 <Havac> Tavira's not crazy -- just sex-crazy
22:07 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I, Jedi is a great book so long as you realize that Corran is divorced from reality and STACKPOLE KNOWS IT
22:07 <Rohniss> my type of woman :D
22:07 <BizarroCharlemagne19> ;-)
22:07 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Agreed. I wouldn't mind dating Tavira
22:07 <BizarroCharlemagne19> She's less evil than many of my girlfriends
22:07 <djreed> Lando's not good at gambling
22:08 <djreed> in the Lando Calrissian trilogy, he just tends to win.
22:08 <Rohniss> ja to that Charles
22:08 <Dgx> the Lando trilogy is good?
22:08 <djreed> It's not skill so much as the cards really really liking him in a non-cheating way
22:08 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Lando Trilogy is great. Except it's weird as hell
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22:08 <djreed> the Lando trilogy is...interesting.
22:08 <BizarroCharlemagne19> It's like Star Trek Star Wars.
22:08 <djreed> It's not even Star Trek
22:08 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I.e. anything can happen.
22:08 <Dgx> :S
22:09 <djreed> it's wackier than that.
22:09 <Havac> Lando got CLoud City in a sabacc game ,that has to count for something (and the Falcon what, three times?)
22:09 <Dgx> what is the differenec of Sabacc and PazzaK'
22:09 <Dgx> ?
22:09 <Rohniss> a general question: Is SW becomming more and more trekkish, and if so is it a bad thing?
22:09 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Book 1 is Lando Calrissian goes Tomb Raiding like Indiana Jones, Book 2 is Lando getting chased by a billionaire with a drug habit, Book 3 has Lando visiting a bunch of Space Whales in a Space Cave
22:09 <djreed> space mantas
22:10 <LosDosMos> Lando is probably a decent gambler if there aren't any hot chicks around
22:10 <Havac> the Lando trilogy is Star Wars on acid
22:10 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I stand corrected
22:10 <Rohniss> Dgx: both use different cards.. and Sabbacc you try to get to 23 +/- or the Idiot and a 2 or 3.. Pazzak.. just sucks
22:10 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Sabbac is Blackjack. Pazzac is Solitaire
22:10 <djreed> Pazzak is the lame version Jedi play
22:10 <LosDosMos> Pazaak is too easy
22:11 <Havac> sabacc is star wars poker/blackjack, pazaak is just sw blackjack
22:11 <Dgx> is there printable Sabbac cards?
22:11 <Rohniss> Dgx: wouldnt work
22:11 <Dgx> oh..
22:11 <Rohniss> since a big part of sabbacc is the radomizer
22:11 <Dgx> so..is there any web where i can play sabbac?
22:12 <Rohniss> so to actually play it you would have to be on a PC
22:12 <Rohniss> I dunno?
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22:12 <BizarroCharlemagne19> The West End Games version used dice.
22:12 <LosDosMos> Try Google
22:12 <BizarroCharlemagne19> When you rolled a 6 or something, you had to toss away your cards and get new ones
22:12 <BizarroCharlemagne19> That simulated the randomizer
22:13 <Havac> there would be ways to simulate the randomizer, though
22:13 <Dgx> IM gettin interested in the Lando trilogy
22:13 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I like the Lando Trilogy, just don't expect the Empire to exist
22:14 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Which is kinda odd
22:14 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Sort of like the Han Solo Trilogy at Stars end
22:14 <Havac> uhhhh . . . . . . . Bloodlines, anyone?
22:14 <Rohniss> yeah dudes
22:14 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Bah.
22:14 <Magus> I have something to bring up about Bloodlines, if anyone wants to touch it :)
22:14 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Okay, Bloodlines.
22:14 <Rohniss> bloodlines or the fascist Dunc will moderate you
22:14 <LosDosMos> Go for it.
22:14 <djreed> hey, there's references to His Imperial Majesty and all, and the Administration, and stuff like that...
22:14 <Magus> I finished reading it last night, and something about it bothered me
22:14 <Dgx> oh right! hmmm.. i hope the review thread will be open in 15-24 days
22:15 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Soooooooooo what the Hell is up with Boba Fett being Mandalore? Is it just me or did he get elected on a straight ticket or what since no one seems to LIKE Boba?
22:15 <Magus> In Betrayl, although Ben admired Jacen, he seemed to have a very good relationship with his parents.
22:15 <Magus> And would go to them for advice, and even tell them of his concerns about Jacen
22:15 <Magus> But then, in a matter of weeks, he changes to not seeming to want anything to do with them
22:15 <Dunc> Another day, another person calling me a fascist...
22:15 <LosDosMos> I think Magus is Child_of_Winds in disguise
22:15 <Dunc> :(
22:15 <Dgx> well.. kids..
22:16 <Rohniss> Magnus: kinda bothersome, maybe its a indication of Jacens insidious influence over the boy
22:16 <Magus> Thats sort of what I marked it up to
22:16 <Rohniss> Ben likes Jacen
22:16 <LosDosMos> Boba is Mandalore because...he's the most badass Mando? Dunno.
22:16 <Rohniss> and he knows on some level Jacen is evil.. but doesnt want to face those facts
22:16 <Dunc> I Mandalore chooses his own heir, I think
22:16 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I think Ben loves his father but doesn't know how to talk to him about being a Hitler Youth member.
22:16 <BizarroCharlemagne19> That's sort of something that's difficult to discuss with dad
22:16 <LosDosMos> And when you're 13, parents are generally a pain in the shebs
22:16 <Havac> Boba got appointed mandalore by Shysa's dying wish
22:17 <Magus> That does make sense, I think I just would have preferred this change was conciously acknowledged
22:17 <Rohniss> 2 ways to make mandalore Dunc
22:17 <Rohniss> the other is to kill the reigning one I think
22:17 <LosDosMos> I imagine it would be difficult to discuss Jedi stuff with your dad if you dad happened to be teh uber Jedi
22:17 <BizarroCharlemagne19> So Boba got it both ways?
22:17 <Rohniss> wheres Q_M when you need him
22:18 <Dunc> everything I know about Mandos I learned from Bloodlines
22:18 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I'll play Q_M on this. Boba's not a Mandalorian.
22:18 <BizarroCharlemagne19> He should be killed by Etain and Darman's kid for HIM to become the new Mandalore
22:18 <BizarroCharlemagne19> There, that about covers that.
22:18 <Magus> Although only somewhat related, I really had no interest in Mandalorians at all before Bloodlines, and really actually disliked them. I find them to be quite interesting ngow
22:19 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I like them as well but I find it difficult to take 100 guys seriously.
22:19 <Magus> Yeah
22:19 <Rohniss> I think thier serious
22:19 <Dgx> in a Practical Man bobba was ok
22:19 <Rohniss> on a 1 on 1 level
22:19 <djreed> They're really not the "third faction" between Jedi and Sith
22:19 <Rohniss> but this isnt Thermoplyee
22:19 <LosDosMos> I like the Mandos. TripZip was a bit over the top with it, though
22:20 <Magus> A hundred mandalorians isn't an army, they are a mild inconvinence
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22:20 <Magus> Despite how awesome they may be.
22:20 <Dgx> mando chicks are hot,right?
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22:20 <djreed> welll...
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22:20 <djreed> burly :)
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22:21 <Rohniss> I havent seen a hot mando chick yet
22:21 <Rohniss> besides that one piece of femal boba fan art
22:21 <Charlemagne19> I liked the picture of the Mando girl in Insider.
22:21 <Charlemagne19> The one in the Yellow Armor. I'd Fell that :-)
22:21 <Magus> How far do you think the prequel trilogy parallels may continue? Will either side look into investing into a clone army?
22:21 <djreed> yet another redhead?
22:22 <Charlemagne19> Black hair.
22:22 <Charlemagne19> She looked somewhat Asian as cartoon girls go
22:22 <djreed> I want an army of clone Landos
22:22 <Havac> "mando chicks are hot, right?" absolutely
22:22 <LosDosMos> Mando chicks are cool
22:22 <Rohniss> I think I speak for everyone when I say Jedi are hotter then Mando chicks
22:22 <Magus> An army of clone Landos? Just think of how many failed businesses that could be
22:22 <LosDosMos> On the Japanese covers, anyway
22:22 <Rohniss> Magnus: it would be Star Wars: the Great Depression
22:23 <Charlemagne19> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Mandalorian_wedding.jpg
22:23 <Charlemagne19> There's the picture.
22:23 <Havac> there's something about a chick in armor . . .
22:23 <Rohniss> shes alright
22:23 <Charlemagne19> Samus Aaron is a Mandalorian!?
22:23 <djreed> all the other art was made into people...was that one?
22:24 <Charlemagne19> Different type of beauty than the waifish girls whom have dominated the EU lately
22:24 <Dgx> you cant say no to a mando chick :)
22:24 <Charlemagne19> I don't think so.
22:24 <Havac> I hope there's no clone army -- it'd be too over the top.
22:24 <Charlemagne19> It'd be cool if that's Mirta
22:24 <djreed> are they going to make it Mirta...
22:24 <Havac> clone Lando army would be good though
22:24 <LosDosMos> Maybe it'll end up being Mirta's wedding
22:24 <Charlemagne19> She was married before.
22:24 <djreed> yeah, exactly
22:24 <djreed> just as long as Redhead's not ben .sigh.
22:25 <Magus> Or what if Mirta was the clone template for the new seperatist army? An army of female clone mandos...
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22:25 <Charlemagne19> I wonder how many Boba Fett brothers are out there. Republic Commando had a lot of play
22:26 <Rohniss> thats one thing
22:26 <Dgx> that game was great
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22:26 <Rohniss> Im getting sick of redheads
22:26 <Charlemagne19> I admit, I wouldn't mind Ben dating a nice brown haired girl or a black haired one
22:26 <LosDosMos> I can't take freckled Ben seriously as any kind of threat, sorry
22:26 <LosDosMos> Well, Mirta's hair is black, right? :p
22:26 <Charlemagne19> Maybe that's why Darth Krayt wears the Shao-Khan helmet! To conceal his freckles!
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22:27 <djreed> I am so sick of redheads myself.
22:27 <Dgx> im redhead :(
22:27 <Rohniss> did Mirta have a kid?
22:27 <djreed> could used no
22:27 <djreed> er
22:27 <Charlemagne19> I don't mind redheads. I like Aerith from Final Fantasy and plenty of others but there's something to be said for Variety
22:27 <djreed> no kid
22:27 <djreed> she said as much
22:27 <LosDosMos> Who besides Mara and Ben are redheads in the EU?
22:27 <Rohniss> Im more of a Tifa and Yuna fan myself Charles
22:27 <Charlemagne19> My last girlfriend was a redhead too but that may actually bias me against them.
22:27 <Rohniss> Tenel Ka
22:28 <Charlemagne19> ;-)
22:28 <Dgx> Kol
22:28 <Charlemagne19> Kol could be recessive
22:28 <LosDosMos> D'oh *smacks head*
22:28 <Rohniss> Lumiya
22:28 <Charlemagne19> Ben and Lumiya had a CHILD!?
22:28 <Charlemagne19> :-)
22:28 <Rohniss> charles
22:28 <Charlemagne19> I wouldn't mind an illegitimate Skycrawler.
22:28 <Dunc> Tenel Ka
22:28 <djreed> Bloodlines...on transplants
22:28 <djreed> clearly it's possible
22:28 <djreed> but it made me think
22:28 <LosDosMos> You should put the "Bizarro" bit back in, dude :p
22:29 <djreed> were injured clonetroopers ever rendered for parts?
22:29 <Rohniss> "I don't buy into the fact that Jacen is corrupted. He has the best intentions at heart. Let's wait a little bit and give him the benefit of the doubt. I honestly believe Jacen can restore order, everyone is jumping on him and we should give him a chance."
22:29 <Rohniss> in the thread your dueling with vader in
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22:29 <Jacen_Solo> I'm replacing Charlemagne19. I AM THE GREATEST OF ALL JEDI
22:29 <Havac> yeah, we could do with some run-of-the-mill brunettes and blones, heck, even black hari, but red is way overdone
22:29 <Rohniss> dj.. the dead ones when to be reprocessed
22:29 <LosDosMos> Oh Lord :p
22:29 <Dgx> i will love to see Jacen die as a sith
22:29 <Rohniss> I just want him dead
22:29 <Rohniss> anyway
22:30 <LosDosMos> Oh there, we go. Do y'all think Jacen will die in LotF?
22:30 <Jacen_Solo> I wouldn't mind it if Jacen Solo trains Krayt. It'd be cool.
22:30 <Jacen_Solo> I think so.
22:30 <Dgx> LosDosMos, yep!
22:30 <Rohniss> If i can find a way to page walk into the novels definately :D
22:30 <Magus> The more and more I read, the more and more I like the Krayt = Jacen idea
22:30 <Magus> But I doubt something so incredible would acutally happen
22:31 <Dgx> i like the Jacen trains Krayt idea
22:31 <LosDosMos> Lol Rohniss. Personally, I hope he is redeemed in 9 and lives. He'll have to face the consequences of his actions, unlike Vader.
22:31 <Magus> I hope he doesn't live, too many people in the novels get to see the Darkside and return, as if nothing has happened
22:32 <djreed> it'll just be skimmed over like Kyp
22:32 <Rohniss> Magnus: exactly
22:32 <Dunc> Maybe he'll come back in book 8 and book 9 deals with aftermath
22:32 <Rohniss> "Once you go down the Dark Path, Forever it will DOMINATE your Destiny... DESTROY you it will"
22:32 <Magus> He is becoming by far, the most evil character out of any prior evil characters in the novels
22:32 <Havac> wow, my lag is getting worse and worse
22:32 <Rohniss> its called Chatzilla
22:32 <Rohniss> because Dunc's client is lame and laggy
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22:33 <Jacen_Solo> I agree. Its hard to imagine Jacen being redeemed. Kyp blew up some worlds but they were Imperial Hell Holes.
22:33 <Dunc> Dude, you should have seen the old client
22:33 <Jacen_Solo> Jacen killed a cute chick!
22:33 <Magus> Darth Vader had to pay with his life in order to earn redemption
22:33 <Rohniss> hell yeah
22:33 <Havac> I don't think he'll die -- I don't buy the authors killing off two out of three Solo kids
22:33 <Rohniss> anyone who kills hot chicks should be killed in return
22:33 <Rohniss> thats what I think havac..
22:33 <Jacen_Solo> I think would be an awesome ending.
22:34 <Rohniss> but doesnt change what I want to happen
22:34 <Jacen_Solo> Jacen is marooned on Korriban and stripped of the Force
22:34 <LosDosMos> Well, he didn't really HAVE to, he just decided to pick Sidious up rather than stab him with Luke's saber
22:34 <djreed> The only problem is that only Jaina will be left, yeah...
22:34 <Rohniss> Korriban is too cool for him
22:34 <Havac> I want to see him haunted by his actions, like Ulic but not a rehash
22:34 <Rohniss> he need Hoth.. or that other place Ulic died on
22:34 <Jacen_Solo> Meh, its not like Solo is exactly a name that HAS to live on. It wasn't even his real name until the Han Solo trilogy
22:34 <Magus> And I think if Jacen does not have to face severe consequences for his just as evil actions, it would be an insult
22:34 <LosDosMos> That's what I want too, Havac
22:34 <djreed> life confinement without the force? Drop in on him every few books in a small white room?
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22:35 <Dunc> He can be Raynor's roommate
22:35 <Jacen_Solo> I choose Korriban because I just like the idea Jacen is alone with a bunch of dead Sith ghosts taunting him
22:35 <Magus> While I like the delicious irony of stripping Jacen of the Force, doing so would almost rob him of being able to make a concious decision of being able to redeem himself.
22:35 <LosDosMos> A life without the Force, facing the condemnation of your family and the rest of the galaxy for the rest of your life? That sounds like a pretty severe consequence to me
22:35 <Magus> It is almost as if he has no other choice to reform at that point
22:35 <djreed> life -unreformed- without the force
22:35 <Jacen_Solo> Nah, I imagine that if he was stripped of the Force we'd find out he became the teacher of the Sith anyway
22:35 <Magus> I would like for Jacen to have consequences for what he has done
22:35 <djreed> i.e., he can repent, but they're not going to let him out
22:36 <Jacen_Solo> What consequences are there except life imprisonment or death?
22:36 <Dgx> maybe Jacen will killhimself? :S
22:36 <djreed> and he doesn't anyway.
22:36 <LosDosMos> He could be stripped of the Force after being redeemed
22:36 <djreed> Put him in stasis like that Anzat Jedi?
22:36 <Magus> Jacen killing himself for the greater good would be a nice way to redeem himself
22:36 <Jacen_Solo> The problem is a lot of this has been done already.
22:36 <Jacen_Solo> Ulic was already stripped after redemption
22:36 <Havac> whaddya mean, not his real name? it was all along
22:36 <LosDosMos> Dgx: that didn't even occur to Jacen when he had those visions in Betrayal. He automatically went to killing Nelani. He's too selfish to kill himself, as weird as that sounds.
22:37 <Magus> Maybe instead of just killing himself, he will have an epiphany about what he has done, and then become one with the Force, as Obi-wan did in A New Hope
22:37 <Rohniss> more arrogance
22:37 <Havac> I'd like Jacen to be a sort of remorseful Force-powerful hermit who drops in and helps the heroes occasionally
22:37 <Rohniss> He knows all that is right.. he knows all the outcomes
22:37 <Jacen_Solo> He can appear as a Force Ghost and Beat Allana's boyfriend to death with TK
22:37 <Magus> But not in combat, just look at Luke as they reach a pause in their lightsaber duel, and vanish
22:37 <Jacen_Solo> in Return of the Jedi, Luke ponders that Han Solo's last name sounds like it was made up.
22:37 <Jacen_Solo> the novelization
22:38 <LosDosMos> If it wasn't his real name, where did Sal-Solo come from?
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22:39 <Rohniss> rofl
22:39 <Rohniss> thats a great handle
22:39 <Magus> I have never actually posted on the boards before, and decided to join this chat in a spur of the moment, so I can appreciate that handle :)
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22:40 <Magus> What does anyone think of the one trillion population of Coruscant? That just seemed like an over-estimate to me
22:40 <Magus> But I don't know
22:40 <LosDosMos> Dude, you scared him away :p
22:40 <Magus> I guess! :(
22:41 <Rohniss> 1 trillion is the usual listed pop of Coruscant isnt it?
22:41 <LosDosMos> I think all the GFFA numbers so large, they become meaningless. It's hard to wrap your mind around a number that big
22:41 <djreed> seems small, actually
22:41 <Jacen_Solo> Coruscant used to have 5 billion then it was 212 billion then it was a trillion
22:41 <Magus> It oculd be Rohniss, I just guess I never really noticed it before
22:41 <Dgx> :S
22:42 <Jacen_Solo> (HTTE Sourcebook, Shadows of the Empire, then NJO)
22:42 <Dunc> 'a lot of people' works for me
22:42 <Dgx> for me too Dunc!
22:42 <LosDosMos> Likewise
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22:43 <Rohniss> I dont feel the need to quantify SW
22:43 <Rohniss> so A lot works for me too
22:43 <Dgx> me neither
22:43 <Rohniss> such as the SSD debates
22:43 <djreed> Star Wars is badly quantified so often
22:43 <djreed> that having it be hand-off might help
22:43 <Rohniss> does it really matter if its 12.8 km or 18 or 500 km?
22:44 <Dunc> Not a bit
22:44 <LosDosMos> Just say it's big and be done with it
22:44 <Dunc> It's just not that kind of movie
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22:45 <Magus> How many messages were there on the tassels?
22:46 <Rohniss> 7?
22:46 <Jacen_Solo> My biggest problem is Jacen just isn't scary
22:46 <Jacen_Solo> He's like Andrew from Buffy
22:46 <Jacen_Solo> All I see is the snot nosed kid
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22:46 <Rohniss> I think hes scary.. not in a Blahh im evil and will rip your guts out way though.. hes not freddy kreuger
22:47 <Magus> Because the way it looks, it seems each book is sort of based after each of the tassels
22:47 <Jacen_Solo> Darth Emo needs some badass Armor man!
22:47 <Dunc> Wait... if there were nine tassells...
22:47 <Jacen_Solo> What kind of Sith wears Tassels anyway!?
22:47 <Rohniss> hes scary in a psychological way
22:47 * Dunc reads Magnus' post
22:47 <Rohniss> there would be 1 for each book
22:47 <Magus> We have Betrayal about sacrifice, Bloodlines about ruining those who deny justice
22:47 <Jacen_Solo> Jacen: Hello Clarice
22:47 <Havac> he's scary in all the right ways for hid character
22:47 <Magus> and now Tempest about immortalizing his love
22:48 <Magus> Or atleast, that seems to be what the next book will focus on, with Tenel Ka on the cover and all
22:48 <Dunc> ooohhh
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22:48 <Dgx> why tenel ka have a weird lightsaber hilt?
22:48 <Magus> And maybe we could continue that pattern for the first seven books then
22:48 <Jacen_Solo> Becauseit's her "special" lightsaber
22:48 <Dgx> oh..
22:49 <Rohniss> So
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22:49 <Rohniss> who do you think is gonna die next?
22:49 <Rohniss> TK and Allana? Han? Boba?
22:49 <LosDosMos> Tenel Ka
22:49 <Dgx> Tenel Ka
22:49 <Havac> the hilt's a rancor tooth
22:49 <LosDosMos> Just TK, not Allana
22:49 <Jacen_Solo> Yeah, no one's got the stones to off a four year old
22:49 <Havac> and a book for each tassel would be too harry potter-idh
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22:49 <Magus> TK, Boba, Mara, Lumiya
22:50 <Dgx> and Jacen
22:50 <Magus> I imagine Lumiya will die a while before the end of the book
22:50 <Rohniss> so noone thinks any of the big 3 will die?
22:50 <Magus> at the rate Jacen is progressing, he wont be a sith Apprentice for long, and he will be offing his master
22:50 <Magus> I think if any dies, it will be Han
22:50 <Dgx> Han?
22:50 <Magus> They can soak a lot more stories out of Luke and Leia
22:50 <Magus> if Dooku was still so energetic at what, 90?
22:50 <Jacen_Solo> People keep hoping if they predict Han will ide, they'll eventually be right
22:51 <Dgx> i can see Han dying... if the interfiere in the Luke vs Jacen fight
22:51 <chissman> I could see Jacen killing Luke, to be honest. But I doubt LFL would let that happen.
22:51 <Magus> Then they can squeeze more story potential out of them
22:51 <Havac> lumiya dies early
22:51 <Rohniss> I agree Havac
22:51 <Rohniss> I think Alema might even get Lumiya
22:51 <Magus> Yep
22:51 <Jacen_Solo> I just want Jacen to complete his damn Sith training and take a title.
22:51 <Rohniss> before she finally dies her final dead
22:51 <Jacen_Solo> My prediction: Alema is the Sith apprentice of Jacen
22:51 <Dgx> why some people assume that the "final fight" will be in Mustafar??
22:51 <Jacen_Solo> She worships him after she finds out he's a Sith
22:52 <Rohniss> Inferno
22:52 <Magus> I think a journey to Mustafar will be happening
22:52 <Havac> please god, let alema die too
22:52 <Jacen_Solo> Here's how I hope Jacen Solo dies.
22:52 <Magus> if Jacen needs to be in the area he wants to flow walk to
22:52 <Rohniss> and Jacen already talks about wanting to see the place Anakin joined the Sith
22:52 <Jacen_Solo> *Jacen swings his sword around*
22:52 <Rohniss> so Jacen will goto Mustafar
22:52 <Magus> He may visit Mustafar to find out more about grand dad
22:52 <chissman> Alema annoys me
22:52 <Jacen_Solo> *Han pulls his blaster and shoots him*
22:52 <Rohniss> and see the Landing pad
22:52 <Dgx> and then Luke will show up?
22:52 <Rohniss> I think Han would shoot him at this poing
22:52 <Rohniss> point*
22:52 <Havac> i hope we never see mustafar again, honestly
22:53 <Jacen_Solo> We will
22:53 <Dgx> maybe Han will shoot and jacen will stop the blast with his hand
22:53 <Rohniss> Havac.. you know its coming
22:53 <Jacen_Solo> As a movie world it'll get used OVER AND OVER AGAIN
22:53 <Magus> Heres another question though: Is every book in LOTF going to reference Han shooting first in some way?
22:53 <Jacen_Solo> yes
22:53 <chissman> The first time it was cute
22:53 <Rohniss> theyve been hintining at it with all the subtlety of a frieght train
22:53 <Magus> I honestly hope each one does
22:53 <chissman> The second time....not so much
22:53 <Magus> And the last sentance in book nine can be
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22:53 <Magus> "Han shot first, and killed his son"
22:54 <Magus> All of the references now are just foreshadowing
22:54 <Dgx> hahaha
22:54 <Magus> In fact, the whole series is just one big chain to appease those who hate the original trilogy revisions
22:54 <Havac> mustafar's appearance would be the most blatant, lame prequel ripoff possible
22:54 <Rohniss> Han did kill the Emporer
22:54 <Dgx> at the end of Bloodlines. who is in charge of the Rogue Squadron?
22:54 <chissman> You know theyll do it Havac
22:54 <Rohniss> but dont you agree that thats whats bieng hinted at
22:54 <Rohniss> Inferno..
22:54 <Rohniss> Jacen wanting to see where Anakin went totally apeshit
22:55 <Dgx> Inferno = Mustafar? mm. i dont think so.
22:55 <Jacen_Solo> Cal Omas: Are you threatening me Jedi?
22:55 <Dgx> at the end of Bloodlines. who is in charge of the Rogue Squadron?
22:55 <Jacen_Solo> Cal Omas: *springs up with lightsaber*
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22:55 <chissman> The Senate will decide your fate. Omas: I am the Senate
22:55 <Rohniss> Zekk I would think
22:55 <Magus> I want to see that scene
22:55 <chissman> Yaknow Dgx....I dont know
22:55 <Rohniss> Jaina got courtmartialed
22:56 <Magus> and have Kyp and Kyle taken down in one hit
22:56 <Rohniss> and Jacen went back to GAG
22:56 <Dgx> what do you think the next titles of the books will be?
22:56 <Havac> metaphorical inferno, by waru, or I'll be livid!
22:56 <Rohniss> Waru is DEAD
22:56 <Jacen_Solo> Waru lived didn't he? He left the dimension
22:56 <Magus> No idea on the titles, but what about the covers?
22:56 <Rohniss> no he didnt
22:56 <Rohniss> I killed him
22:56 <Dgx> Lumiya has to show up!
22:57 <Rohniss> and his women and children too
22:57 <Jacen_Solo> Nothing can kill the Waru
22:57 <Magus> Luke, Mara, Lumiya, Ben, and Jaina are probably a given
22:57 <Dunc> We know the middle three both have two characters...
22:57 <Rohniss> PAW is victorious on all fronts
22:57 <Magus> I can see Luke and Mara on one
22:57 <Dunc> then back to singles for the last three
22:57 <Dunc> I say Ben will be last
22:57 <chissman> I would love to see Lumiya on a cover
22:57 <Rohniss> and Han and Leia definatley on 1
22:57 <LosDosMos> Anakin and Tahiri after his triumphant return from the dead ;-)
22:57 <Dunc> Or Jaina
22:57 <Magus> I can see Jaina and Ben on the singles
22:57 <chissman> Lumiya/Jacen would have made sense, but they already had Jacen on Betrayal
22:57 <Dunc> Jag?
22:57 <Magus> or
22:57 <Jacen_Solo> ben when he becomes DARTH KRAYT
22:57 <Magus> maybe Jaina/Jag or Jaina/Zekk on one of the doubles
22:57 <Havac> Be non cover 9, Lumiya somewhere -- maybe paired with luke on 5 or 6?
22:58 <Jacen_Solo> Jaina/Jacen found the Fel dynasty!
22:58 <chissman> Pft. All the cool kids know Jacen is Krayt
22:58 <Jacen_Solo> ;-)
22:58 <Dunc> The next cover will be the HC, right?
22:58 <Magus> Guys, its all clear now
22:58 <Dgx> :)
22:58 <chissman> Yeah
22:58 <Magus> Krayt is actually a clone of Thrawn
22:58 <Jacen_Solo> Krayt: I'm blue.
22:58 <Dunc> Luke, certainly. With Mara, probably
22:58 <chissman> *Gasp*
22:58 <Rohniss> Dunc
22:58 <djreed> no, he's the son of Clone of Thrawn with...uh...Callista
22:58 <chissman> Magus, you have broken my world.
22:58 <Dunc> Although... How about Lumiya and Alema?
22:58 <Rohniss> the next is PB
22:58 <Dgx> hope Luke in the cover doesnt like he have20 years old
22:58 <Magus> I know, I try
22:59 <Dunc> No, the next cover we haven't seen yet
22:59 <Rohniss> I dont want to see Alema now
22:59 <Jacen_Solo> Alema wouldn't make a good cover. She's not as pretty as she used to be
22:59 <LosDosMos> He means the next cover image to be released
22:59 <djreed> the next 2 are PB
22:59 <djreed> yeah, the next cover image is the HC
22:59 <Rohniss> next 1
22:59 <Dunc> Tempest and Exile are PB, next one HC
22:59 <Rohniss> err 2
22:59 <LosDosMos> TK got a cover with her stupid amputated arm. Get a prosthetic already!
22:59 <chissman> Thatll be released once Tempest comes out, Id imagine
22:59 <Rohniss> yeah stupid me
22:59 <Havac> I really like the idea of a Luke/Lumiya cover, come to think of it. That's where my money is
22:59 <Magus> Since the first hardcover had a EU character on it
22:59 <Dunc> That would be neat
23:00 <Magus> I can see the second having EU characters as well, perhaps Jaina and Zekk or Jag?
23:00 <Dunc> And the covers have been geeting more... actiony...
23:00 <LosDosMos> And more fugly
23:00 <Magus> and then the final book, also a hardcover, would also be a EU character, perhaps Ben?
23:00 <chissman> Im digging seeing more obsecure characters on covers, instead of the endless stream of the big three we usually get
23:00 <Dunc> Zekk and Jag share. :D
23:00 <Jacen_Solo> Except, Jacen is 30 and he's drawn as 18
23:00 <Dgx> Katarn and Lumiya :D
23:00 <Jacen_Solo> Kyle Katarn has some hot Lumiya sex!
23:00 <Magus> Thats true Jacen
23:01 <Magus> so if Ben is shown
23:01 <chissman> Book Nine cover: Darth Krayt ;)
23:01 <Rohniss> Katarn had LINES in this book
23:01 <Magus> He should be ilustrated as a toddler
23:01 <LosDosMos> It's not possible to have hot Lumiya sex, she's too cyborg :p
23:01 <Jacen_Solo> She got a REALLY good set of replacements
23:01 <Havac> I wonder . . . would Jaina even be able to carry a cover herself at this point?
23:01 <chissman> Hey there could be something to all those mechanical attachments on her
23:01 <Magus> The cyborg elements could make it MORE enjoyable
23:01 <Dgx> and if you do it wrong she could smack you with the lightwip
23:01 <chissman> Exactly.
23:01 <Rohniss> Los: havent you seen Futurama
23:02 <Rohniss> and Jacking on and Merging Programing
23:02 <LosDosMos> No, I don't watch cartoons
23:02 <Dunc> Don't make me get out my whapping stick...
23:02 <Jacen_Solo> Of course, Jaina was apparently bitten by a Vampire on Dark Journey
23:02 <Dgx> so you didnt watch CloneWars? :P
23:02 <Magus> so its a Space Vampire
23:02 <Magus> Because its starwars
23:02 <LosDosMos> Ha :p Good point Dgx :p
23:02 <Rohniss> I only watch "Adult Cartoons"
23:03 <LosDosMos> I'll amend that to, "I don't watch cartoons besides Clone Wars" :p
23:03 <Dgx> (and the new clone wars 3d series)
23:03 <Rohniss> <-- Didnt watch CW's
23:03 <chissman> Didnt miss much
23:03 <Havac> and my question gets lost in a torrent of cyborg sex comments . . .
23:03 <chissman> Lots of overpowered Jedi and confusion
23:03 <Rohniss> Ikno I liked Republic too much
23:03 <Dgx> it was ok to make time..
23:03 <Rohniss> Would Jaina be able to cover?
23:03 <chissman> Hey if something is to be lost, then in cyborg sex is a good place for it
23:04 <LosDosMos> The first season was good
23:04 <Dunc> If Jacen can carry a cover... Jaina's bound to see some action eventually
23:04 <Rohniss> I dont think so
23:04 <Jacen_Solo> Jaina already has
23:04 <Magus> No, its star wars
23:04 <Jacen_Solo> The Anzati are Vampire Ninjas
23:04 <Jacen_Solo> I kid you not
23:04 <Jacen_Solo> Cyborg Sex is a major part of my books!
23:04 <Jacen_Solo> I say only half kidding!
23:04 <Dgx> Jaina alone? dont think so. unless.. she is the ONE to kill jacen
23:04 <djreed> even if it's only Jaina and Boyfriend of the Week
23:04 <LosDosMos> Jaina could carry a cover if her character would do something useful
23:04 <Rohniss> thats a LOTF question
23:04 <Jacen_Solo> Out of curiosity, why did the Jaina/Jag/Kyp thing become so popular?
23:05 <Rohniss> does Jaina finally declare a permanant boyfriend or even get married
23:05 <Dunc> Shippers
23:05 <Jacen_Solo> I don't even know if she's dating Zekk
23:05 <Jacen_Solo> or if he's her pet.
23:05 <LosDosMos> Us female SW fans needed a romantic couple to latch on to?
23:05 <djreed> I think Jaina's going to end up with successive husbands
23:05 <djreed> after first one Dies Tragically.
23:05 <Jacen_Solo> I love shippers. I wish I had some for my writing.
23:05 <Rohniss> Im not a SHIPPER
23:06 <chissman> Besides pout?
23:06 <Jacen_Solo> Shipper isn't something to be ashamed of Rohniss
23:06 <Jacen_Solo> Its only if you're writing Mara/Leia fanfic
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23:06 <Rohniss> Eh, amended I dont have a preference on to who Jaina ends up with
23:06 <LosDosMos> I'm a shipper, I just don't ship Jaina :p
23:07 <LosDosMos> Shipping is fun. Release your inner romantic!
23:07 <Rohniss> I did push some unlikley McE ships
23:07 <Jacen_Solo> I'd like her to end up with Kyp but he's in his 50s now.
23:07 <Jacen_Solo> So Jag is fine I guess
23:07 <Rohniss> My only Jaina ship is Jaina/Tahiri
23:07 <LosDosMos> Tahiri/Anakin 4 eva, y'all
23:07 <Havac> I don't care id she ends up with Jag or not -- I just want Jag back as a character
23:08 <Jacen_Solo> Jag is Tom Cruise, he discovered Scientology
23:08 <LosDosMos> Denning brought Aleema back; he'll bring back Jag too
23:08 <Jacen_Solo> Married with two kids!
23:08 <Jacen_Solo> I think that would be cool
23:09 <LosDosMos> It would be interesting if Jag was with someone else. He must still be pretty pissed at Jaina from DN
23:09 <chissman> Zekk seems like that poor guy who always is "the good friend" while Jaina goes out and boinks Jag.
23:09 <LosDosMos> And after Jacen kills Zekk, she'll be all alone
23:09 <Rohniss> Speaking of Denning I feel really sorry for Alema
23:09 <Rohniss> she got literally butchered piece by piece
23:09 <Dunc> I call Zekk as a forfather of Antares Draco
23:09 <Havac> yeah, if they build her up from where she is now, but right now she's a second-tier character
23:09 <chissman> Holla
23:09 <Jacen_Solo> You seem pretty bent on the Zekk-killing Los
23:09 <chissman> BTW, forgive my slow responses this seems to be working really slow for me.
23:10 <chissman> I like Zekk!
23:10 <LosDosMos> I have nothing against the character, I just think it'll happen
23:10 <Rohniss> and noone even tried to save her like the tohers
23:10 <chissman> I grew up with the YJK books
23:10 <Dgx> a little off topic but.. im really lookin foward to see Antares Draco in action
23:10 <Jacen_Solo> I think Jacen needs a Sith girlfriend
23:10 <chissman> Im really looking forward to seeing an Imperial Knight not get killed
23:10 <LosDosMos> Jacen needs kinky Dark side sex, like Bastila offered Revean
23:10 <Dgx> thats Draco!
23:10 <chissman> I figure that's gotta happen by #3 or so
23:11 <Jacen_Solo> Well I gotta run
23:11 <chissman> Later
23:11 <Dgx> bye Jacen
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23:11 <Rohniss> Los: Id buy that for a Dollar !
23:11 <Havac> Yeah, Zekk's definitely the permanent boy friend, and never boyfriend
23:11 <LosDosMos> The one thing SW is missing is more kinky sex
23:11 <Rohniss> *robocop reference*
23:12 <Rohniss> no SW is missing any adult themes at all
23:12 <Rohniss> barring Bioware
23:12 <Rohniss> and Stackpole
23:12 <Dunc> Oye, might as well invite the sex thread next time...
23:12 <Rohniss> Heheh
23:12 <Rohniss> we were here
23:13 <Rohniss> and were like our own nest