Bloodlines Chat
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19:59 <Dunc> Allo
19:59 <AnakinSolo> This is a bloodlines chat, correct?
19:59 <Haz> yup
20:00 <Dunc> Indeed.
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20:00 <Dgx> yep
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20:00 <Dunc> welcome back, LosDosMos
20:01 <LosDosMos> Ah, you saw me pop in earlier :p Just making sure this was working properly for me
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20:01 <Dunc> Yeah. :D
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20:01 <mandalore55> what's going on?
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20:02 <Dunc> Not too much, yet
20:02 <LosDosMos> Never done this before so, hello folks *waves* Glad you put a thread about this in the Lit forum, Dunc
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20:02 <Dgx> so.. im the only one who havent read the book?
20:02 <Haz> nope
20:02 <Dgx> great
20:02 <Haz> :D
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20:02 <Dunc> I read it twice...
20:02 <LosDosMos> Aw, y'all are gonna be spoiled :p I finished last night
20:02 <mandalore55> I read it once
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20:03 <Dgx> Im spoiled enough :)
20:03 <KolSkywalker> I finished last night as well, excellent book.
20:03 <LtNOWIS> read it once
20:03 <mandalore55> yeah
20:03 <LtNOWIS> finished it the day after release, which was 3 days after I got it.
20:03 <mandalore55> Boba Fett plotline was cool
20:03 * Dunc changes topic to 'Star Wars: Expanded Universe Bloodlines chat. WATCH FOR FALLING SPOILERS!.'
20:03 <Haz> heh
20:03 <LosDosMos> I thought it was good. I liked Betrayal, but I enjoyed this one more
20:03 <mandalore55> I thought Betrayal was better
20:04 <KolSkywalker> This chat is spoiler free right?
20:04 <LtNOWIS> I don't think so...
20:04 <KolSkywalker> I mean not spoiler free.
20:04 <Dunc> Everyone's gonna get spoiled
20:04 <mandalore55> hahaha
20:05 <LosDosMos> Besides, it's pretty clear where everything is going *cough*DarthDumbass*cough*
20:05 <Dunc> It's a Skywalker tradition.
20:05 <mandalore55> yeah
20:05 <mandalore55> It was easy to see that Mirta was Fett's granddaughter
20:05 <LtNOWIS> yeah
20:05 <KolSkywalker> Indeed it was, obvious to everyone except Fett.
20:06 <LtNOWIS> Even I suspected that, and I'm pretty dense about that sort of thing.
20:06 <LosDosMos> I enjoyed the Fett plotline, even though at first I was kind of ?? about why it was there. Intersected pretty well towards the end, imo.
20:06 <Dunc> I just wonder how Ailyn ended up witn a Mandelorian fathering her kid... Seems she's avoid them because of Boba.
20:06 <LosDosMos> Loved when Fett dropped the bombshell about Jaina's court-marshall on Han and Leia.
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20:07 <mandalore55> yeah
20:07 <KolSkywalker> Ailyn is more mandorlian then Boba..
20:07 <Dunc> Gah, a lot of words going to be murdered by my mad spelling skillz tonight.
20:07 <LosDosMos> Re: Ailyn, well, Mandos are hot :p
20:07 <KolSkywalker> She knows much more about their culture and language anyways..
20:07 <CorranHorn> lol
20:07 <mandalore55> I don't think so... can't be more mando than the mandalore
20:07 <KolSkywalker> Yea I know, but even he doesn't know much about his own people.
20:07 <mandalore55> that's true
20:07 <CorranHorn> but bobas just startin to be mando
20:07 <KolSkywalker> His buddy even said he just wears the armor.
20:07 <LtNOWIS> yeah
20:08 <LosDosMos> Fett as a Mando sort of sucks, though. Of course it looks like he's going to be better...
20:08 <mandalore55> Mirta is gonna teach him to be a good mando :)
20:08 <CorranHorn> agreed
20:08 <Dgx> so.. Bobba will be a better mando? that is his "legacy"?
20:08 <KolSkywalker> yeah, he should give up bounty hunting to be mandalor but i cant see him doing that
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20:08 <mandalore55> Do you think Boba will die in the legacy series?
20:08 <Dgx> he is not too old?
20:08 <Dgx> and sick?
20:08 <CorranHorn> maybe
20:08 <Dunc> I think it's likely
20:09 <Dunc> Realism and all.
20:09 <mandalore55> yeah
20:09 <Charlemagne19> He says he's got 30 years left in him
20:09 <CorranHorn> probably
20:09 <Dgx> oh..
20:09 <Charlemagne19> Heya, hope you don't mind me joining in
20:09 <KolSkywalker> unless he finds that clone trooper who's 140yrs old
20:09 <LosDosMos> I like Fett, but I wouldn't complain if he died. I think the Mandos would be in good hands with Mirta and this mysterious Kad'ika
20:09 <Dunc> Nah, welcome. :)
20:09 <LtNOWIS> I think he'll die
20:09 <KolSkywalker> and he is likely to find him more then anyone else
20:09 <mandalore55> I think Troy Denning will kill him off, he kills everybody :P
20:09 <CorranHorn> that trooper would be cool to turn out as ordo
20:09 <Dgx> i think its time for bobba to go..
20:09 <LosDosMos> No, Denning fakes killing characters, only to bring them back maimed :p
20:10 <Dunc> I am completely unattached to Boba. I just don't want to see the main story sidelined for him...
20:10 <CorranHorn> troy is going to stick with his characters just as aaron and karen wil stick to theirs
20:10 <LosDosMos> Poor Alema; what did ever do to deserve her treatment at Denning's hands? :p
20:10 <KolSkywalker> i dont think it is, karren travis will deal with him in her books i think
20:10 <KolSkywalker> since she writes him so well
20:10 <Charlemagne19> I'm a fan of Dennings Forgotten Realms books, so I'm familiar with the way Denning treats his characters
20:10 <mandalore55> yeah, but Denning killed Anakin, and maimed Aleema Rar
20:10 <Dunc> Did he create Alema? I don't remember if she was around before SBS.
20:10 <Charlemagne19> The more sympathetic you are, the more likely horrible fate will befall you
20:10 <Charlemagne19> I think he did.
20:10 <LosDosMos> Someone mentioned this in one of the Lit threads--it looks like it could be a 9-book series of 3 linked trilogies
20:11 <LtNOWIS> hey Charles. I'm just disagreeing with you on TFN right now.
20:11 <CorranHorn> alema was first in SBS
20:11 <Charlemagne19> No surprise there.
20:11 <LosDosMos> I'm an Anakin fangirl, so I refuse to believe he's REALLY dead :p He'll return and teach Jacen a lesson :p
20:11 <KolSkywalker> did everyone read the tempest pages at the end?
20:11 <Dunc> She's another one I just... meh.
20:11 <CorranHorn> i didnt finish the book yet
20:11 <KolSkywalker> lumiya pushed jacen out of the way of alema's dart or he would be toast.
20:11 <mandalore55> Anakin was killed in a cloning facility, so he could return
20:11 <CorranHorn> later
20:11 <Dunc> Were they really tempest? Total NJO flashback for me...
20:12 <Charlemagne19> Denning corrupted Cyric to become God of Evil in FR, Denning drove his Elf-Ranger Protagionist insane with the Shadow Weave (Dark Side), Denning offed the heroes of his own novel in a prologue in ToCTM
20:12 <LosDosMos> So much for Jacen's faaaaaaabulous Force powers *snorts*
20:12 <Dgx> did you guys want Anakin back?
20:12 <mandalore55> yeah
20:12 <Charlemagne19> It's pretty late to bring Anakin back
20:12 <Dunc> Nah, he should stay dead.
20:12 <LosDosMos> Definitely!
20:12 <KolSkywalker> but anakin is the best
20:12 <Dgx> Jacen is having a "good time" all the evil ones , have it
20:12 <Dunc> If they didn't resurrect him in the NJO, he's not coming back.
20:12 <KolSkywalker> and if they bring alema rar back and fett from being in the sarlaac twice, why not anakin?
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20:12 <mandalore55> who can defeat Jacen but Anakin
20:12 <LosDosMos> I'd like Jaina to stop be minimized, too
20:12 <KolSkywalker> he would whip jacen's ass.
20:12 <Charlemagne19> I wouldn't mind if they did the "Tidus" thing and a Force Doppleganger or something was summoned by the Sith only to fade away but to bring him back now would need a pretty big story
20:12 <Dunc> Unless Jacen starts seeing him in his head again or something.
20:13 <Dunc> That could be interesting.
20:13 <Charlemagne19> Yeah but let's face it, where's Anakin been for the past 10 years?
20:13 <Dunc> I think Ben will play a big role in Jacen's.. turnaround? Death? Who can say?
20:13 <Charlemagne19> It's also hard when they burn the body
20:13 <mandalore55> true
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20:13 <LosDosMos> Nah, the Vong shapers made a cloned body, and that's what Jaina and the others recovered on Myrkr
20:13 <KolSkywalker> but didnt the shapers have his body for a few hours
20:14 <KolSkywalker> before it was seen again
20:14 <Charlemagne19> In Ben's case, I like the kid but its hard to feel too sympathetic when he joins the Jacen Youth.
20:14 <Charlemagne19> Little Kid Compnor
20:14 <KolSkywalker> ah losdosmos, said it before me.
20:14 <mandalore55> the GAG is gonna be Jacen's 601st
20:14 <LosDosMos> Anakin's been held somewhere, somehow, by Thrackan...and now that he's dead, Anakin will find a way to escape and return to his family in time to defeat his brother
20:14 <Dunc> I'm already more interested in Ben than I was in the Solo kids... ever.
20:14 <mandalore55> I mean 501st
20:14 <Charlemagne19> Troy did an awesome job with Ben in Betrayal
20:14 <Dunc> Aaron, you mean?
20:15 <LtNOWIS> Did Denning do much with Jaina in the past? Because she's due for some PoV time.
20:15 <KolSkywalker> yea mandalore55, but GAG doesnt seem to like jacen much
20:15 <LosDosMos> Ben was a bit dense in this book, but he'll get straightened out soon, no worries
20:15 <mandalore55> You think Ben will be Jacen's sith apprentice
20:15 <Charlemagne19> Did you hear the story about how Troy originally intended Ben to never be a Jedi though?
20:15 <LosDosMos> Jaina needs to actually DO something.
20:15 <Charlemagne19> Nah. I think it's set up for an ESB moment. Ben rejects Jacen when he finds out he's bugnuts
20:15 <Dunc> Too obvious, with half the boards crying for it.
20:15 <mandalore55> yeah
20:15 <LosDosMos> No, Charles, what was that?
20:15 <mandalore55> who will Jacen's apprentice be?
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20:15 <Charlemagne19> The whole "Dark Nest" plot where Ben rejected the Force was meant to be permanent.
20:15 <Dgx> Ben has to reject jacen!
20:16 * Dunc snorts.
20:16 <KolSkywalker> That would have been stupid, just like his whole bug idea.
20:16 <Dunc> In the EU, nothing is permanent.
20:16 <LosDosMos> Actually I find it kind of eyeroll-worthy that Luke and Mara are/were SO intent on Ben becoming a Jedi. Yeah, because it's worked out so well for the rest of the Skywalkers and Solos...
20:16 <Charlemagne19> They wanted him to be the Han ironically. Then, Del Ray said that he had to become a Jedi.
20:16 <mandalore55> But who would be Jacen's apprentice
20:16 <KolSkywalker> Making Jaina a bug? worst idea ever imo
20:16 <Charlemagne19> Well to be fair, Jacen and Jaina were fine at that time.
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20:16 <Charlemagne19> Yes, that was a "Woman in Refrigerator" moment (if you're familiar with comic terminology).
20:16 <Dunc> Jacen and Jaina were never fine. YJK? Biggest turn-off EVER.
20:16 <LosDosMos> What's wrong with NOT becoming a Jedi? It's not like it's the only worthy profession in the galaxy. If I had the baggage that Ben's family comes with, I wouldn't want to be part of it either. Hence Cade
20:17 <mandalore55> never read it
20:17 <Charlemagne19> Jacen was a "special needs" child in YJK. He acted like a 6 year old.
20:17 <LosDosMos> They were kind of dorky in YJK ("Blaster bolts!") but sweet enough kids, imo
20:17 <LtNOWIS> I haven't read anything from HoT duology until LotF.
20:17 <Charlemagne19> You haven't missed much Lt.
20:17 <Dunc> I couldn't make it past three books of the YJK. Gave up on them then and there, and it took Traitor to awaken any interest in Jacen at all.
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20:17 <mandalore55> NJO was pretty good
20:17 <LosDosMos> Wow, no NJO? I plowed through the whole thing in the month and a half before Betrayal. I don't remember most of it :p
20:18 <Charlemagne19> Oddly, Junior Jedi Knights was made for an even younger audience yet Anakin was more mature at 8 than jacen at 13.
20:18 <KolSkywalker> poor anakin, it makes me sad talking about him
20:18 <Revan> yeah
20:18 <mandalore55> he'll be back
20:18 <Revan> how?
20:18 <Dunc> There wasn't very much going on in the NJO for me. Hated the Vong, didn't care for the Solo kids or the OCs...
20:18 <Charlemagne19> Yes and so will Tarkin.
20:18 <LosDosMos> That's because Anakin rockz :p He was always portrayed as just a bit more special than the twins. HE was supposed to be the one to pick up Luke's torch in the next generation
20:18 <KolSkywalker> hopefully atleast in ghost form
20:19 <Dgx> maybe he can be back as a force ghost
20:19 <LtNOWIS> I have to read all the prequel and Bantam books before NJO...
20:19 <KolSkywalker> to knock sense into jacen
20:19 <Dunc> I started with HTTE.
20:19 <Charlemagne19> Thats where everyone started Dunc.
20:19 <Charlemagne19> It's a good place to
20:19 <LtNOWIS> yeah
20:19 <mandalore55> why does Jacen want his family dead, I never got that?
20:19 <Dunc> Read em all as they came out, since DFR. A few exceptions, but not many.
20:19 <LosDosMos> Jacen will have to be utterly defeated and alone to have any sense knocked into him.
20:19 <KolSkywalker> the ultimate sacrifice, no attachments = killing allana and tenel ka
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20:19 <LtNOWIS> He thinks love of family is selfish
20:19 <KolSkywalker> he doesnt want to repeat vaders mistake
20:19 <KolSkywalker> with padme
20:19 <Charlemagne19> My best explanation for Jacen's behavior is there's a literal Dark Side of the Force and Lumiya has utterly fracked with his head using it
20:19 <Dgx> hey.. quick question.. Luke is the only one who can beat Jacen??
20:20 <mandalore55> but didn't he become Sith to make a saffer galaxy for them?
20:20 <Dunc> Lumiya told him he's have to scarifice Tenel Ka and the kid to save the galaxy.
20:20 <LosDosMos> I think he'll kill Tenal Ka (big loss) but that Han and Leia will escape with Allana
20:20 <mandalore55> ohh
20:20 <Dunc> I don't think Luke will save the day this time.
20:20 <Charlemagne19> No, Jacen can be BEATEN by other Jedi I'm sure. However, he's probably No. 2 in the NJO
20:20 <mandalore55> I think luke is gonna die
20:20 <Charlemagne19> I think Ben will beat Jacen
20:20 <LtNOWIS> I hope Jacen gets pwned by someone lame, like Palpy did.
20:20 <Charlemagne19> They say that EVERY book
20:20 <KolSkywalker> I dont think Luke is the only one, just becuase one is more powerful does not make them win a lightsaber/force duel. Obi-Wan vs the Chosen one, anyone??
20:21 <mandalore55> Jacen is definetly gonna kill Jaina
20:21 <LosDosMos> Lumiya probably has done some fracking with Jacen's head--he's too arrogant about his Mad Force Skillz to think she could manage it--but I don't think he needed much pushing. He's been going dark since at LEAST TUF
20:21 <Charlemagne19> I don't think they're going to wipe out the solos Mandalore
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20:21 <Dgx> maybe Luke will fight Jacen... luke dies and Ben gives the final strike :S
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20:21 <Dunc> No, Jaina will survive. She might defect, but she'll survice.
20:21 <Dunc> I think Allana will, too.
20:21 <mandalore55> She played a small role
20:21 <mandalore55> Jaina I mean
20:21 <Charlemagne19> Yes, they didn't even name her til Book 2
20:22 <Commander5052> So who do you guys think the Clone is? My money's on Ordo.
20:22 <Charlemagne19> err 3
20:22 <LosDosMos> I think Ben is too young to defeat Jacen, and I hope someone besides Luke gets to save the day for once...I think Jacen will kill Zekk, thus breaking her heart, and leading to her marrying Jag and producing the Fel line in Legacy
20:22 <KolSkywalker> im hoping Jaina will be the ultimate hero of this series
20:22 <LtNOWIS> I'll say Corr, just to go out on a limb.
20:22 <Dgx> Jaina? dont think so..
20:22 <Dunc> Look to DE, folks...
20:22 <Charlemagne19> I hate Jag. I don't know what bugs me about him so much.
20:22 <Commander5052> Interesting...I forgot about Corr...
20:22 <Charlemagne19> I like the IDEA of him but the character leaves me cold.
20:22 <mandalore55> Boba Fett is gonna kill Jacen with a blaster to the back
20:22 <Dunc> Jag I can take or leave.
20:22 <Dgx> maybe Katarn :S
20:22 <mandalore55> Jag rules!
20:22 <LosDosMos> I can't see TPTB killing of Jaina. Two Solo kids dead, the survivor a Sith? That's dark, even for DR
20:22 <Charlemagne19> And Ben will be 19 at the end of Legacy of the Force.
20:22 <KolSkywalker> dont underestimate katarn, ur right. :)
20:23 <Charlemagne19> It spans like 7 years
20:23 <Dunc> Katarn? Please.
20:23 <Commander5052> I personally prefer Jag to Kyp
20:23 <Charlemagne19> doesn't it?
20:23 <KolSkywalker> but no, he wont be the hero lol
20:23 <Dgx> if Katarn dies fightin Jacen i will be a happy man
20:23 <Charlemagne19> I like Kyp more but 16 years IS way too much of an age difference.
20:23 <mandalore55> no time frame on the series
20:23 <LosDosMos> Jag is kind of a static character. Re: the timeline, I thought only a few weeks passed between Betrayal and Bloodlines?
20:23 <Charlemagne19> OH, Troy DID try to kill Kyle Katarn in SBS!
20:23 <Charlemagne19> Lucasfilm said to remove the line he died
20:23 <LosDosMos> Kill Kyle? *gasps*
20:23 <Commander5052> RE Timeline: I thought it spanned two years.
20:23 <KolSkywalker> yea to give the game a sequal
20:23 <Dgx> cool
20:24 <Dunc> I watched Kill Bill last night and I started visualizing Kyp as Michael Madson.
20:24 <KolSkywalker> hes one of the most powerful jedi knights u have to admit.
20:24 <Commander5052> Wow...how'd Denning kill off Kyle?
20:24 <Charlemagne19> No, I heard it was like some absurdly long number.
20:24 <Dunc> My god, WHY? Kyle needs to die.
20:24 <Charlemagne19> Denning had him die in some random space fight over Coruscant
20:24 <LosDosMos> It'll never happen, but it would be cool if Tahiri laid the smackdown to Jacen. "Anakin died to save YOU?"
20:24 <Commander5052> Kyle, go out in a dogfight? Ridiculous.
20:24 <Charlemagne19> You don't KILL characters like Kyle randomly Duncan
20:24 <Dgx> will Jacen have some allies? besides Lumiya ofcourse
20:24 <Dunc> I'm so sick of him showing up in books like he's important or something.
20:24 <Charlemagne19> You mean his 1 line mentions?
20:24 <Dunc> yes
20:25 <KolSkywalker> Katarn, Kyp, Corran...they all could stand their own against Jacen IMO. not saying their more poweful at all..
20:25 <Dunc> They bother me. I'm petty.
20:25 <Charlemagne19> Kyle isn't exactly dripping with exposure.
20:25 <Charlemagne19> Meh.
20:25 <LosDosMos> Aw, I like Kyle :p
20:25 <Commander5052> Anyone here think that they'll bring back other Marvel members besides Lumiya? I'd love to see Thorben or Jaxxon again.
20:25 <Charlemagne19> I do gotta admit, they need to stop writing book by comittee.
20:25 <Dunc> Was Jaxxon the rabbit?
20:25 <mandalore55> yeah
20:25 <LosDosMos> Anyone have any thoughts on who Jacen will take (or try to take) as a Sith apprentice?
20:25 <Commander5052> Yep
20:25 <Commander5052> Ben
20:25 <KolSkywalker> did u know it wasnt even supposed to be Lumiya as the women sith
20:25 <mandalore55> Ben
20:25 <Charlemagne19> Ben shouldn't in any way be Jacen's apprentice yet he has to be because Tempest was written first
20:25 <mandalore55> or Corran Horn's kid
20:25 <KolSkywalker> she just fit the bill so they made her lumiya
20:25 <Dunc> I think he'll stick with Ben. I think Lumiya wants Ben as well.
20:26 <Commander5052> Agreed
20:26 <Charlemagne19> Lumiya isn't really too well characterized, you might as well have her be the Devil herself for all her motivation
20:26 <Dunc> True.
20:26 <Commander5052> Meh, Palpy already did that.
20:26 <KolSkywalker> the only other choice i could see is tahiri, she likes pain too..
20:26 <LosDosMos> I know they want him, but Ben's supposed to have his ESB moment in Tempest. Will he stick with Jacen?
20:26 <LtNOWIS> I think not
20:26 <Commander5052> Dunno
20:26 <mandalore55> yes
20:26 <Charlemagne19> I think that he'll leave then
20:26 <Dgx> Jacen/Ben vs Luke/Jaina ??
20:26 <Charlemagne19> It's too risky to have Luke vs. Ben and Han vs. Jacen
20:27 <Dgx> tag team match!
20:27 <Commander5052> What do you think's going to happen to Mirta Gev?
20:27 <LosDosMos> Re: Tahiri, she hasn't trusted Jacen for, what, 6 years? Luke even banished her to Dagobah because she was so suspicious of his pet Jedi Jacen
20:27 <mandalore55> anybody think Jacen will make a sithspawn in Tempest?
20:27 <Charlemagne19> Okay, I checked, we were both wrong. It's 5 years
20:27 <KolSkywalker> LosDosMos, not only she was banished. And she was a jedi knight in betrayal doing important missions
20:27 <LosDosMos> Make a Sithspawn?
20:27 <Charlemagne19> so it'll be 18 when its over (Ben)
20:27 <LosDosMos> Thanks for the info Charles
20:27 <mandalore55> one of the tassels says he will make a pet
20:28 <LtNOWIS> Bly: dunno
20:28 <Charlemagne19> I think Alema's the obvious choice for 1st Sith apprentice.
20:28 <mandalore55> no, she hates Jacen
20:28 <mandalore55> she wants to kill him
20:28 <Charlemagne19> oh like that's ever stopped Sith before
20:28 <LosDosMos> Mirta Gev...she'll marry Ben and produce Antares Draco in Legacy :p
20:28 <mandalore55> true
20:28 <Dunc> I hyope not.
20:28 <Commander5052> Re: Alema, "Fear me, for I am Darth Slut!"
20:28 <Dgx> she hates jacen? thats even better to be a sith!
20:28 <LosDosMos> Darth Slut *dies*
20:28 <KolSkywalker> Alema needs to go, gorog still lives with her
20:28 <mandalore55> I didn't like Dark Nest that much
20:28 <KolSkywalker> Chiss might get mad if they know shes alive, as well. maybe that is how jag gets involved again
20:29 <Charlemagne19> Hell, if Jacen was Krayt (he's not) then Alema could be Talons' grammy
20:29 <Commander5052> Alema is definitely related to Darth Talon: they both have the same fashion sense. :P
20:29 <Dunc> Maybe Jag is chasing Alema...
20:29 <mandalore55> are chiss in GFFA?
20:29 <LosDosMos> Alema would sign up with Jacen if he goes so far as to want to kill his parents and sister. Alema hates Leia most of all, and if she thought Jacen was a path to causing Leia more pain...
20:29 <Charlemagne19> No, Chiss are independent
20:29 <KolSkywalker> remember the chiss were very mad because her body hasnt showed up
20:29 <KolSkywalker> and if she lives the dark nest lives
20:29 <Charlemagne19> Yeah, Alema went "what the hell?" at the end of the excerpt when she found out Jacen was Sith
20:29 <Commander5052> Is Zahn ever going to follow up on that hint on the end of Survivor's Quest?
20:30 <LosDosMos> Haaaaaated DN. Horrible characterization, too powerful Force powers (pardon the bad syntax)
20:30 <Charlemagne19> Nah, the Killiks expelled her so she's not a Joiner anymore. Remember you needed that funky ritual to create the Nest
20:30 <mandalore55> they need to kill the World Brain
20:30 <KolSkywalker> nope, even she says gorog is still living with her
20:30 <Charlemagne19> Which hint?
20:30 <KolSkywalker> as long as she lives it exists
20:30 <Dunc> Didn't she get the World Brain with the dart?
20:30 <Charlemagne19> Zahn has already said the Vong were the threat.
20:30 <Charlemagne19> He intends to drop more hints every book he does
20:30 <Commander5052> Charlemagne: the one where Luke and Mara discuss whether or not there's another Thrawn clone out there
20:30 <mandalore55> yeah, but Jacen went to go help it
20:30 <Charlemagne19> KolSkywalker: No, because she says in the excerpt its gone
20:31 <Charlemagne19> Commander5052: No, becase they thought it was Formbi and Formbi showed up earlier
20:31 <Dunc> Thrawn is SO DEAD IT HURTS.
20:31 <LosDosMos> Jacen's so far gone into the Dark side I don't know if he could help heal something if he tried
20:31 <Charlemagne19> in Outbound
20:31 <Commander5052> Dammit. Ah well.
20:31 <KolSkywalker> yes, jacen and lumiya chose between killing alema(jacen shot her with lightning) or healing the world brain. lumiya then called jacen hopeless
20:31 <mandalore55> What's gonna happen with Palleon?
20:31 <Dgx> there is no healin powers in the Dark side??
20:31 <Commander5052> He resigned
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20:31 <Dgx> Palleon is goin to have a glorius return! i hope..
20:32 <mandalore55> you think he'll come back
20:32 <KolSkywalker> its hinted palleon will be back
20:32 <Charlemagne19> Pellaeon is living off the blood of children anyway at this point.
20:32 <LosDosMos> Pellaeon leaving seems like it leads to the Empire destroying the GA in Legacy, or whatever
20:32 <mandalore55> he's awesome
20:32 <Commander5052> He's better than that evil Mon Cal
20:32 <LtNOWIS> If the Empire defects and ruins the Alliance, Pellaeon should do that.
20:32 <Dgx> dman..i need to order the book..
20:32 <Charlemagne19> I imagine we'll see that Pellaeon's dying and appoints Fel as his successor.
20:32 <KolSkywalker> lumiya says she pursuaded admiral niathal
20:32 <mandalore55> possible
20:32 <Charlemagne19> Thus making Soonitor Fel the First
20:32 <KolSkywalker> wonder who else she used her powers against
20:32 <Commander5052> ReOooh...that'd be intersting....
20:32 <Commander5052> whoops. ttypo
20:33 <Commander5052> If Jag becomes an Emperor, who will he marry? :P
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20:33 <mandalore55> Jaian
20:33 <LtNOWIS> Jaina?
20:33 <mandalore55> I mean Jaina
20:33 <Charlemagne19> What I do hope is that Darth Krayt isn't on Korriban DURING Legay because it'd destroy all the coolness of Jacen reviving the Sith.
20:33 <LosDosMos> There's an argument for placing Legacy farther into the future, but I like trying to figure out how things in LotF will lead to what happens in Legacy
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20:33 <LosDosMos> Definitely Jaina
20:34 <KolSkywalker> charlemagne, he says hes there before legacy i believe
20:34 <Commander5052> sorry. connection screwed up.
20:34 <mandalore55> Is legacy canon?
20:34 <Charlemagne19> Troy says they're tying in the books to Legacy as best as possible so it's a smooth transition
20:34 <LosDosMos> Unless one of the authors somewhere pulls a random character out of their backside. Jag has only ever had eyes for Jaina
20:34 <Charlemagne19> I know, and that ticks me off Kol.
20:34 <KolSkywalker> lol, two sith orders existing at the same time without either knowing
20:34 <Dgx> haha
20:34 <Commander5052> Anyone here think there's any truth to the Mirta/Ben theories?
20:34 <LtNOWIS> that's possible...
20:34 <Charlemagne19> Counterpoint: Gavin married a human woman after only loving Bothan girl
20:34 <Dgx> maybe Kryat kills jacen :)
20:35 <Charlemagne19> Mirta's like in her 20s
20:35 <Commander5052> But Krayt IS Jacen! :P
20:35 <Charlemagne19> I think that's sorta dumb
20:35 <KolSkywalker> anyone see the cover for legacy 10 i believe
20:35 <LosDosMos> I like Mirta; that would be fine with me. Certainly a nice bit of irony.
20:35 <Charlemagne19> She's been married before at this point
20:35 <Commander5052> Re: Mirta, whoops, forgot about that
20:35 <LtNOWIS> Well, Padme was a lot older than Anakin...
20:35 <KolSkywalker> krayt is all big and monster like, armor took him over
20:35 <Dgx> so.. he kills himself!!:D
20:35 <LosDosMos> Do we really know how old Mirta is? Mandos marry around 16; I took her to be in her late teens
20:35 <KolSkywalker> 18
20:35 <Charlemagne19> Yeah, Ben will obviously have a designated love interest before it's over.
20:35 <Dgx> are we sure that monster is Kryat?
20:35 <mandalore55> mirta is like 18
20:35 <LtNOWIS> she's 18, I thought
20:35 <KolSkywalker> no, not sure. but it looks like it..
20:35 <Charlemagne19> I stand corrected
20:35 <Charlemagne19> Aleiyn married old.
20:36 <Dgx> and its Legacy 7 i think
20:36 <Commander5052> It's a pity Ailyn died. I kinda liked her.
20:36 <Charlemagne19> Padme/Anakin was creepy then too
20:36 <Charlemagne19> Ailyn never got to do anything
20:36 <mandalore55> nope
20:36 <Charlemagne19> Unless you count the retconned Boba Fett
20:36 <Dunc> Yeah, it's way too early to be thinking Mirta/Bem
20:36 <LosDosMos> I was surprised by Ailyn's death. It actually made me flinch a bit
20:36 <Commander5052> Charlemagne:Yeah, but still. Being Boba's kid is really cool.
20:37 <Dunc> Ailyn's death planted doubt in Ben's mind. Worked for me.
20:37 <Charlemagne19> I don't mind Evil Jacen. However, I think Traviss went off the deep end in making him evil
20:37 <LtNOWIS> maybe we can have more Ailyn stories later.
20:37 <Dgx> Ailyn :(
20:37 <Charlemagne19> Then again, him murdering Nelani was deep end too
20:37 <LtNOWIS> yeah
20:37 <Charlemagne19> There's not so much a slide to Darkness as Jacen jumping
20:37 <mandalore55> that was deeper
20:37 <KolSkywalker> i dont think she made him that evil, hes going to be more dark in every book
20:37 <Dunc> Jacen welcomed the dark side with open arms
20:37 <LosDosMos> I think a lot of Jacen's actions in Bloodlines can be rationalized pretty well, even though we all know he's a sociopath
20:37 <KolSkywalker> he killed a bounty hunter who was going to kill his family(and boba)
20:37 <mandalore55> because of Vergere
20:37 <Dgx> because there is no darkside :P
20:38 <Commander5052> I think each Legacy book will have Jacen kill someone in it.
20:38 <LosDosMos> Oh no, not Potentium :p
20:38 <Charlemagne19> Well, Jacen's most evil action is killing Nelani because of what might happen.
20:38 <mandalore55> was she a sith or a jedi
20:38 <Dgx> hahaha
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20:38 <KolSkywalker> yea nelani was much worse then what he did in bloodlines
20:38 <Dgx> i told the potentium stuff to some friends here. and they agree :S
20:38 <LosDosMos> Poor Nelani. I felt so badly for her. Though she gets what she deserves for having the hots for him :p
20:38 <Charlemagne19> I think the Potenium is dead, even though no one is bringing up the idea the Dark Side is corrupting
20:38 <KolSkywalker> the future is always in motion, when will no one learn that??
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20:38 <LosDosMos> Of course the Dark side is corrupting
20:39 <Charlemagne19> Kol: The future in motion is something everyone keeps forgetting when they say THE PROPHECY MUST BE FULFILLED
20:39 <KolSkywalker> true
20:39 <Commander5052> I really liked Nelani's character, it's a shame she was so besotted with Jacen that she didn't notice someone actually liked HER. *coughBencough*
20:39 <mandalore55> Ben was too young for Nelani
20:39 <Dunc> See, that was cute, Ben's thing for Nelani
20:39 <LtNOWIS> she couldn't feasably date him...
20:39 <KolSkywalker> yea i agree, nelani could have been a love interest for ben
20:39 <LosDosMos> Lol, cute little Ben with his cute little crush. If (when) he finds out that Jacen killed Nelani, he'll turn against him finally and forever, imo
20:40 <Dunc> Not a love interest, but a crush.
20:40 <LtNOWIS> well, at least not or a while
20:40 <Charlemagne19> Ben apparently likes older women according to this board
20:40 <mandalore55> haha
20:40 <Charlemagne19> Maybe Ben will marry a Horn daughter
20:40 <Dunc> Oye.
20:40 <Commander5052> Ben and Nelani was kinda like how in some sitcoms when a student falls in love with his teacher.
20:40 <Dunc> Please, no.
20:40 <KolSkywalker> shes wasnt much older i think
20:40 <LosDosMos> Nelani was, what, early to mid 20s?
20:40 <Charlemagne19> Corran Skywalker: I'M THE GREATEST JEDI THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN!
20:40 <Charlemagne19> Luke: Ben, shut your kid up
20:40 * Dunc winces
20:40 <LosDosMos> Lmao Charles
20:40 <mandalore55> when are they gonna make Jacen a master?
20:40 <Commander5052> No Horn's. Corran was ENOUGH. And with STackpole gone we might just be rid of him.
20:40 <LosDosMos> Tempest, probably
20:41 <Charlemagne19> Jacen's not even a JEDI according to Luke!
20:41 <LtNOWIS> Mand'alor: never, hopefully
20:41 <Charlemagne19> Luke: Jacen isn't under Jedi influence.
20:41 <Charlemagne19> Kyp: Let's make him a master.
20:41 <LosDosMos> Before it becomes too obvious to everyone that he's evil
20:41 <KolSkywalker> he isnt a jedi, its just what is on his ID
20:41 <Dgx> well done Kyp...
20:41 <Charlemagne19> Jacen is pretty obviously damn evil.
20:41 <LosDosMos> Kyp needs something to do
20:42 <Charlemagne19> I mean, the only thing he needs is some black robes and force lightning crackling around his hands while he has yellow contacts.
20:42 <mandalore55> Thracken had a crappy death imo
20:42 <LosDosMos> Well, Charles, obviously he's not, otherwise the rest of the Jedi would realize it.
20:42 <KolSkywalker> the only thing about jacen is that atleast he is taking action
20:42 <Charlemagne19> I admit, I didn't like it.
20:42 <Dunc> Thracken didn't deserve a good death.
20:42 <Commander5052> Jacen's proabably going to flow-walk back to the JAT and stop the SUncrusher from being destroyed. THAT will give Kyp something to do. :P
20:42 <LtNOWIS> I liked his death
20:42 <Charlemagne19> The Jedi DO realize it. Which is kinda weird. They had a whole meeting about "You know, Luke, your nephew is f*** up." it's just they had no solution for it
20:42 <Dgx> mm. how he died?
20:42 <LosDosMos> Not to mention the Coruscanti, and presumably other loyal GA citizens, who think Jacen is a great Jedi for actually getting off his shebs and DOING something
20:43 <Charlemagne19> Yeah, I keep wondering what is WRONG with the Galactic People
20:43 <KolSkywalker> yea and he isnt even a jedi so..
20:43 <Charlemagne19> Like "Hey, remember when we single handedly ended the Yuuzhan Vong War?"
20:43 <Charlemagne19> "Uhh..no."
20:43 <Commander5052> Mara was a moron in this book IMHO.
20:43 <Charlemagne19> "How about the Dark nest?"
20:43 <Charlemagne19> "That was the Jedi?"
20:43 <Charlemagne19> I mean, what do the Galactic People THINK the Jedi do?
20:43 <LosDosMos> I dunno, I think they realize Jacen is "different" and they certainly don't approve of or condone what he's doing...but none of them besides Luke, Leia, and Jaina seem to be thinking "Sith Lord!"
20:43 <Charlemagne19> Mara is taking anti-depressents
20:43 <Dunc> Mara has a blind spot the size of a Star Destroyer when it comes to Ben.
20:43 <Charlemagne19> That's my only explanation
20:43 <LtNOWIS> What was up with people not recognizing Han on the street?
20:43 <KolSkywalker> i dont think mara is a moron, atleast she talked to jacen like a friend.
20:44 <Commander5052> Random citizen: Hey, that Solo kid just interned a 1000 more people
20:44 <KolSkywalker> and she doesnt want to make ben a little mold of his parents
20:44 <Charlemagne19> Well maybe they thought Han was Thracken ;-)
20:44 <Charlemagne19> Identical COUSINS and you'll find...
20:44 <LosDosMos> Ugh, the internments were awful
20:44 <Commander5052> ANother random citizen: Good to know the Jedi are doing good
20:44 <imperial77> How about McEwok's theory that Mirta is Mara?
20:44 <imperial77> *Myri
20:44 <imperial77> Reading catchup. Sorry.
20:44 <LtNOWIS> well, some civvies didn't like the internments
20:44 <LosDosMos> Crackpot :p Sorry McEwok :p
20:44 <Dunc> McEwok takes the good drugs.
20:45 <LtNOWIS> yeah, just crazy McEwokism
20:45 <Commander5052> Jori Lekauf also scared me. Seriously, WHO REMEMBERS VADER AS A GOOD PERSON!?!
20:45 <Charlemagne19> I love how Karen Traviss inserted her Vader loving Stormtrooper from her short stories via his grandson
20:45 <mandalore55> his granddad
20:45 <Charlemagne19> Jinx Commander
20:45 <Commander5052> lol
20:45 <KolSkywalker> seems like vaders soldiers liked him
20:45 <mandalore55> good discussion but g2g
20:45 <KolSkywalker> jacens soldiers dont seem to care for him tho
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20:45 <Charlemagne19> I e-mailed Karen Traviss about that.
20:45 <LtNOWIS> at least they did in Lekauf's era
20:45 <imperial77> Lekauf?
20:45 <Charlemagne19> She responded to me.
20:45 <LosDosMos> Well, Vader was good to Lekauf, so it stands to reason the better aspects of his personality would be passed on and magnified throughout the family
20:46 <Commander5052> Yeah.
20:46 <LtNOWIS> right
20:46 <Dgx> everyone has a diferent opinion on everyone else :S
20:46 <imperial77> Vader just likes people who do what he says.
20:46 <Charlemagne19> Karen said and I quote "Vader is the kind of commander that the common soldier loves. He demands the best from them and they respect that. The fact he also goes to ground with them also wins great praise from them."
20:46 <LtNOWIS> I'm sure Needa's grandson has a different opinion.
20:46 <Commander5052> If you get on Vader's good side, he can be a very good ally and very forgiving. Just look at Piett.
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20:46 <Enfilade> Hello
20:46 <LosDosMos> Vader was awful, obviously, but we know from the events of RotJ that he was never completely bad. He was loyal to his soldiers; that goes back to Anakin during the Clone Wars
20:46 <Charlemagne19> I bet Needa's grandson wrote a tell all book when he helped the Rebellion take Coruscant in Wedge's Gamble
20:47 <LosDosMos> Hello *waves*
20:47 <Dgx> thats true Commander5052
20:47 <Charlemagne19> Vader just hated the officer's core
20:47 <LtNOWIS> Needa wasn't that old...
20:47 <Commander5052> Ozzel was though
20:47 <Charlemagne19> Well Leia is still in her twenties at 60 on her cover :-)
20:47 <Dgx> hahaha
20:47 <Commander5052> Though he was just "clumsy and stupid"
20:47 <Charlemagne19> Except she has a Polgara/Rogue white strip in her hair
20:48 <LosDosMos> Anakin wanted to go back and help Odd Ball in RotS, OVER saving Palpatine's life; Vader takes his TIE out in ANH to help the clones and defend the Death Star personally. Common grunts like that sort of thing in commanders
20:48 <LosDosMos> Oy, the Exile cover. FUGLY.
20:48 <Commander5052> RE Leia: That cover kinda scared me
20:48 <Charlemagne19> Yeah, Vader worked his way up from the ground
20:48 <Dgx> Exile cover...weird
20:48 <LtNOWIS> Actually, I think Needa was a Clone Wars vet...
20:48 <Dgx> maybe its really Jaina in the cover :o
20:48 <Charlemagne19> I think to be a Captain you have to expect needa was in his 40s
20:48 <Commander5052> Needa served as a Commander in home fleet strike group five.
20:48 <LosDosMos> I wish we could have the dude who does the Japanese covers. Those bring teh pretty
20:49 <Commander5052> See the ROTS novel for Needa
20:49 <KolSkywalker> the force does well for ur physical features :)
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20:49 <Dgx> Outbound Flight japanese cover is great!
20:49 <Dgx> looks like a movie poster
20:49 <Charlemagne19> Eh, Leia and Han just had work done ;-)
20:49 <LtNOWIS> I like the Legacy covers, although Exile is less good.
20:49 <Charlemagne19> they went to Mara's surgeon
20:49 <LosDosMos> Unless you use them to cloak entire ships and takes years off your life, like in DN :p
20:50 <Commander5052> Japanese covers have three rules: One, they rocke. Two: they must be better than American ones. Three: All women on them must be "teh uber hawt111!!"
20:50 <Charlemagne19> I wonder if someone could do a big shirt with Jacen's picture on it and under it say "I KILL CHILDREN"
20:50 <Charlemagne19> You could do a vader one too
20:50 <Commander5052> I'd buy that!
20:50 <imperial77b> Yuuzhan Vong beauty products. Harrar mentioned them in Final Prophecy
20:50 <LosDosMos> Yeah, the Japanese cover chicks are all awfully pretty
20:50 <Charlemagne19> Tahari post Vong was pretty damn hot on those covers
20:50 <KolSkywalker> would that not be more suited for vader, what children has jacen killed yet
20:50 <LtNOWIS> although, I don't think Jacen has killed any kids yet
20:50 <Commander5052> RE: Japanese covers, Amen. As was Jaina
20:50 <Dunc> Give him a book or two
20:50 <KolSkywalker> lol
20:51 <LosDosMos> Jacen's could be, "I intern and kill innocent civilians"
20:51 <Charlemagne19> Dare him to kill a Nursery to show he's not attached and he'll go Ginsu
20:51 <LosDosMos> Lol
20:51 <KolSkywalker> i dont think he can kill allana
20:51 <Commander5052> Pfeh. Ani didnt have any problem asphyxiating Pdme
20:51 <Dgx> Tenel Ka will die first
20:51 <Charlemagne19> This is all just sexual tension.
20:51 <Charlemagne19> He needs to spend a few months with Tenel Ka
20:51 <KolSkywalker> tenel ka will chop off jacens arm like he did hers
20:51 <LosDosMos> Is it evil of me to hope he does kill Tenel Ka? :p I don't have a hate-on for the character or anything, I just think it would be a great way to evil Jacen up even more
20:51 <KolSkywalker> that would be neat :)
20:51 <Dunc> Maybe Allana's a chip off the old block and able to hold her own in a lightsaber fight at a tender age...
20:52 <KolSkywalker> but then she will die
20:52 <Charlemagne19> I admit, I wish Jacen were more borderline dark.
20:52 <Commander5052> If she is, she'll lose an arm
20:52 <Charlemagne19> It's like Anakin post AOTC
20:52 <Charlemagne19> after massacing the Tuskens, he's not terribly sympathetic
20:52 <Commander5052> Indeed
20:52 <LtNOWIS> yeah
20:52 <KolSkywalker> i would have killed all the tuskens if they killed my mother too
20:52 <LosDosMos> Anakin didn't mean to kill Padmé, just to shut her lying mouth :p His turning made her "lose the will to live"'; the damage from the Force choke had been healed
20:52 <LtNOWIS> there's less tragedy than with Vader.
20:53 <Charlemagne19> I DIDN'T JUST KILL THE MEN BUT THE WOMEN AND THE CHILDREN- Jacen Solo about his trip to McDonalds that afternoon
20:53 <LosDosMos> I would have killed the Tuskens. And that's why I'm glad Jedi and comic superheroes don't exist in the real world
20:53 <Charlemagne19> I admit, I wouldn't mind so much if Anakin had just slaughtred all the men. That would have left some room for doubt.
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20:53 <Charlemagne19> Or at least not mention whom he killed.
20:53 <Commander5052> Definitely.
20:53 <LosDosMos> Seriously, if I lived in the GFFA, I'd HATE the Jedi. Yeah, they save the day a lot, but what do they do in the meantime? Become Sith and slaughter billions of people. Not worth the trade-off, imo
20:54 <Charlemagne19> Hey Rohniss!
20:54 <imperial77b> Death Star, anyone?
20:54 <Rohniss> sup charles
20:54 <KolSkywalker> if qui gon lived he would have taught anakin right
20:54 <Charlemagne19> Discussing who was worse, Jacen or Anakin
20:54 <Dgx> Hello Rohniss
20:54 <LosDosMos> I agree Kol
20:54 <KolSkywalker> obi wan wasnt ready to teach at all.
20:54 <Dunc> But if Jacen's worse, that makes him a Gary Stu, right?
20:54 <LtNOWIS> Jacen is just dumb for trusting the Sith
20:54 <Rohniss> I already posted on the boards.. but Id say Jacen..
20:54 <Dunc> God forbid anyone out-ass Anakin.
20:54 <Dgx> i think until now.. Jacen
20:54 <Charlemagne19> LosDosMos, yeah but then there's the problem that Star Wars is a crazzzzzzzzy place. You get rid of the Jeid the Sith are gone but then the Mandalorian-Yuuzhan Vong-Robot Gerbils from Space show up and then you're screwed
20:55 <LosDosMos> Oh, Jacen is worse. He may not do the damage Vader did, but Anakin was f'ed up by the Jedi and Palpatine. Big difference between him and Jacen
20:55 <Charlemagne19> The Prequels Ruined Obi Wan's line about "Training as well as Yoda"
20:55 <Charlemagne19> in the end, Ben didn't do anything wrong!
20:55 <LosDosMos> Charles, and then you destroy them with Palpatine's Nostril :p
20:55 <Rohniss> nope Anakin just played like a Harp
20:55 <Charlemagne19> Palpatine's Nostril is stopped up!
20:55 <Charlemagne19> Palpatine: CURSES!
20:55 <imperial77b> Just use Star Destroyers.
20:55 <Commander5052> Star Wars is never going to have peace: the Jedi should accept. As Han put it in the BFC , "There's always going to be someone out there who doesn't want to join"
20:55 <imperial77b> Or X-wings.
20:56 <KolSkywalker> good chat, time to watch deadwood. later folks
20:56 <Charlemagne19> Yeah yeah and then the X-wings fall to the Dark Side!
20:56 <imperial77b> Bye!
20:56 <Charlemagne19> ;-)
20:56 <LosDosMos> The perfect sneeze, and killer phelgm flies everywhere, destroying all enemies!
20:56 <Dgx> bye
20:56 <imperial77b> Artoo killed billions?
20:56 <Dgx> Darth X-wingus
20:56 <LosDosMos> Artoo is badass.
20:56 <Charlemagne19> Artoo: And I didn't just kill the men BUT THE WOMEN AND THE CHILDREN
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20:56 <imperial77b> That interplanetary pool-shot!
20:56 <imperial77b> Exactly.
20:56 <imperial77b> BYSS.
20:56 <imperial77b> A BILLION CIVILIAN CASUALTIES.
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20:56 <imperial77b> And he's still happy.
20:56 <Charlemagne19> Yeah, anyone find that funny.
20:56 <LtNOWIS> man, the Empire reallly messed that up
20:56 <LosDosMos> But what's a billion in the GFFA?
20:56 <Commander5052> Artoo: Darth Whirr-beep-wheep
20:57 <Rohniss> well Artoo cant be unhappy
20:57 <Commander5052> As a sith, that is
20:57 <Charlemagne19> Kyp gets chewed out for killing a planet with 15 million and Leia/Han killed 19 billion on Byss
20:57 <imperial77b> Artoo is the Second Sith!
20:57 <Rohniss> hes programmed to be helpful and quirky
20:57 <LosDosMos> Sure, it was awful, and it sucks that they died, but the numbers are so large they really cease to have any sort of meaning
20:57 <Dgx> the Exiles are going to be Han andLeia?
20:57 <Charlemagne19> Artoo: Anakin, the Jedi hesitate to use powers that some find....unnatural.
20:57 <Charlemagne19> Yeah.
20:57 <Charlemagne19> THe Corellians and Alliance both declare them outlaws
20:57 <LtNOWIS> yeah
20:58 <Rohniss> "One man dies its a tradgedy, a million its a statistic" - Uncle Joe Stalin
20:58 <LosDosMos> Well, Leia should certainly be exiled from the Jedi if Luke and co. ever find out what she did for Corellia in Betrayal
20:58 <Charlemagne19> Yeah, why I never particularly like that argument
20:58 <Dgx> oh true!
20:58 <Charlemagne19> Luke doesn't seme enthuasiastic about the Alliance
20:58 <Commander5052> Who is?
20:58 <LtNOWIS> he shouldn't
20:58 <LosDosMos> What's with Leia in Bloodlines? She seems completely opposite of the decision she came to at the end of Betrayal
20:58 <Charlemagne19> It's weird, Corran was practically Sieg Heiling Cal Omas and now all the Jedi are barely tepid about the GA
20:59 <imperial77b> That's called Change of Author Syndrome.
20:59 <Charlemagne19> Han Solo: The Alliance is EVIL.
20:59 <imperial77b> Karen keeps saying she's a huge KJA fan.
20:59 <Rohniss> well Cal wasnt in Calpatine Mode in Bloodlines atleast
20:59 <Charlemagne19> Luke: Duh
20:59 <Commander5052> I nominate Corran to be the first Jedi killed by Jacen.
20:59 <Rohniss> Correction to Han: Jacen is EVIL
20:59 <LosDosMos> Just goes along with Han to get along, "Sure honey, I'll conspire to help you assassinate someone..."
20:59 <Dunc> But she doesn't read, so...
20:59 <Havac> Luke was pretty pro-GA with that Betrayal raid, but now he's waffling. What's up with that?
20:59 <Dunc> I can buy that
20:59 <Charlemagne19> Han wanted to kill his cousin. That seemed out of character.
20:59 <imperial77b> Always amazes me with Calpatine - leave a McEwokism to stew long enough, and people start to believe it.
20:59 <LosDosMos> Luke is wishy-washy. He was in the NJO, he is here
21:00 <Enfilade> Can someone tell me about McEwok? I hear a lot abotu him, but I don't knwo what he did that was so memorable....
21:00 <imperial77b> Jacen: I AM the Alliance!
21:00 <Dunc> Luke's not a political leader
21:00 <Charlemagne19> To be fair, the problem with that is that there wasn't much that could be done.
21:00 <Rohniss> Charles, Han has never liked Thracken.. as far back as AC Cripsin and Daley
21:00 <Commander5052> Luke: Not yet.
21:00 <LosDosMos> Omas was Calpatine in DN, but everyone was just so WEIRD in that book that I chalk it up to being Denninged
21:00 <LtNOWIS> Han killing Thracken was pretty bad-ass
21:00 <Commander5052> Jacen: It's treason then.
21:00 <Charlemagne19> I'm not saying he DOES, but slaying your identical cousin seems a little extreme
21:00 <Rohniss> Han didnt kill Thracken..
21:00 <LosDosMos> Mirta killed Thrackan
21:00 <Rohniss> The Fetts did
21:00 <Havac> han had good reason to kill Thrackan. I can buy that he wanted to, but the execution of it was weird.
21:00 <LtNOWIS> yeah, at least he wasn't enthused about it
21:00 <Charlemagne19> Troy Denning is an odd writer
21:00 <Charlemagne19> Do you know he's known as the "Guy who destroys Game Settings" In D&D fiction
21:00 <LosDosMos> To say the least :p
21:01 <Commander5052> And he created Alema Rar.
21:01 <Dunc> Denning is 50/50.
21:01 <Commander5052> Be right back
21:01 <imperial77b> What, AC/DC?
21:01 <Dunc> haha
21:01 <Charlemagne19> He once killed every Arch-villain in a game setting and brought peace to the land. Which is cool except for the fact it was a Post-Apocalypse Game Setting
21:01 <Charlemagne19> ;-)
21:01 <Rohniss> and Alema is back...
21:01 <Rohniss> Again..
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21:01 <LosDosMos> I understand Han WANTING to kill Thrackan, but to actually go and do it? I mean, even Greedo shot first :p
21:01 <Charlemagne19> Denning likes torturing Twilek girls
21:01 <KolSkywalker> I'm back, no deadwood on tonight
21:01 <Charlemagne19> Boba says that Han lied about that
21:01 * imperial77b shoots LosDosMos
21:01 <Charlemagne19> It was funny
21:01 <Rohniss> HAN SHOT FIRST !!
21:02 <LosDosMos> Please, I'm from Texas :p Like I've never been shot :p
21:02 <LosDosMos> At, anyway ;-)
21:02 <Rohniss> Lucas you raped my childhood
21:02 <Havac> heresy!
21:02 <KolSkywalker> im suprised boba let han kill him, it was boba's bounty
21:02 <KolSkywalker> he did that killing very un boba like
21:02 <Dunc> George Lucas raped my childhood and all I got was this damn wanky-ass fandom
21:02 <Charlemagne19> Lucas: My third trilogy of Star Wars will consist entirely of Jar Jar sexually assaulting the fans....via 3D
21:02 <Dgx> LOTF ruined star wars!
21:02 <LtNOWIS> hahahaha
21:02 <LosDosMos> I don't think there was much "letting"; Mirta just kind of went apesh*t and did it
21:03 <Charlemagne19> Lucas: And half the fans will still defend me
21:03 <Havac> ahhh, stinkin' lag
21:03 <LtNOWIS> yeah, Han had to protect his family, so he reluctantly killed Thrackan
21:03 <Commander5052> back
21:03 <LosDosMos> "Reluctantly killed." That seems like such a cop-out. Very Jacen-esque
21:03 <Rohniss> well Han's family really doenst need much protection
21:03 <imperial77b> Why *can't* Mirta be Myri (not read the bk)
21:03 <Havac> Charles, no, just no
21:03 <LtNOWIS> well, its' accurate
21:04 <Rohniss> 3 Jedi and Han the space bum with luck like no other
21:04 <KolSkywalker> han needs the most protection, anyone think hes gonna die this series?
21:04 <Dunc> Because that's inane, IMp
21:04 <Commander5052> Kol: Doubt it.
21:04 <LosDosMos> Was it really? I know Han waffled a bit, but he seemed pretty gung-ho about eliminating Thrackan
21:04 <imperial77b> Your opinion of profic has risen over the years, Dunc. ;¬)
21:04 <Commander5052> Well, yeah, why shouldn't he? The guy put out a contract on his family,
21:04 <LtNOWIS> he wasn't too thrilled about cold-bloodedly doing it
21:04 <Dunc> No, I've become resigned.
21:05 <LtNOWIS> although, he had been thinking about it back in Betrayal
21:05 <LosDosMos> It can't be true, because if a McEwok theory became canon, it would signify the end of the world :p
21:05 <Commander5052> NOWIS: Good point
21:05 <Charlemagne19> To remind folk once again. Every time a new book comes out, someone says "I think Han/Luke/Leia/Jar-Jar will die" and it NEVER HAPPENS
21:05 <Havac> Han's the most likely of the big 3 to go
21:05 <KolSkywalker> who is this McEwok? almost sounds as bad as...............supershadow
21:05 <LtNOWIS> sometime, it might...
21:05 <Rohniss> no.. McE does it for comedy value
21:05 <LtNOWIS> McEwok = TFN mod
21:06 <LosDosMos> He's not bad, he just enjoys riling people up with crackpot theories :p
21:06 <Dunc> Well, they both do it for the LULZ...
21:06 <Commander5052> No, McEwok isnt nearly as baf as SS
21:06 <KolSkywalker> ah ok lol
21:06 <Enfilade> ok, thanks
21:06 <Rohniss> and McE isnt a mod
21:06 <LosDosMos> Such as, Ben is the son of Mara and Anakin Solo :p
21:06 <Rohniss> hes a VIP
21:06 <LtNOWIS> oh, ok
21:06 <KolSkywalker> for comedy is one thing
21:06 <Havac> He's not a mod, just a BOoks section staffer
21:06 <Commander5052> We need QM and the other Sex Thread guys to come here. Then this place would really get started.
21:06 <Enfilade> crackpot theories can be fun until someone forgets/doesn't realize they're theories not facts
21:06 <Charlemagne19> McEwolk hasn't made any crazy theories for years. He tried to get rid of the nickname....it didn't work.
21:06 <LosDosMos> Though to be fair, he claims not to have invented that one
21:06 <Dgx> did you know the books dont come here to South America?? :(
21:06 <Rohniss> most of the thoery originates from the "Sex Thread" so.. :D
21:06 <LosDosMos> Amazon, Dgx?
21:07 <Commander5052> Anything for us tonight, then, Rohniss? :P
21:07 <Dgx> yep. but i mean in bookstores
21:07 <Rohniss> no im busy bieng a gun nut and correcting Charles
21:07 <LosDosMos> Yeah, that sucks. But thank God for the Internet, eh?
21:07 <Rohniss> on his ".45 Magnum"
21:07 <Dgx> right!
21:07 <Rohniss> in the Armour thread
21:07 <Commander5052> pity
21:08 <Charlemagne19> So when will Tholme die you think?
21:08 <Charlemagne19> OBVIOUSLY LEGACY!
21:08 <Havac> Heck, Rohniss *is* the sex thread
21:08 <Charlemagne19> ;-)
21:08 <KolSkywalker> tholme is krayt! lol
21:08 <LosDosMos> Lol
21:08 <Commander5052> Tholme? I kinda think the Jedi in that new Force Unleashed game kinda looks like him
21:08 <Dunc> Who is Tholme?
21:08 <Commander5052> Quinlan Vos's Jedi Master
21:08 <Dunc> ah
21:08 <LtNOWIS> Tholme = Clone Wars jedi
21:08 <LosDosMos> I wouldn't mind if they left the fates of Quin and the other surviving main characters of Republic just remain ambiguous
21:08 <Rohniss> on a off topic tangent.. Force Unleashed is Bad A**
21:08 <KolSkywalker> created by the same ppl who created the legacy comic
21:08 <Rohniss> or the video is
21:09 <Commander5052> Hell yeah it is
21:09 <LtNOWIS> Rohniss: yeah
21:09 <Dgx> but the video isnt the gameplay right?
21:09 <LosDosMos> But the PS3 is too expensive...
21:09 <Rohniss> then buy a 360
21:09 <Charlemagne19> On a related note, one of the Mandalorinas is named "Little Saber"
21:09 <Rohniss> heheh
21:09 <Charlemagne19> I think that's pretty obvious on whom HIS parents are
21:09 <LosDosMos> That's nearly as bad :p I won't be buying any next-gen consoles
21:09 <Havac> "who is Thome?" kickass spy Jedi Master
21:09 <Rohniss> im glad im not the only who thought that charles
21:09 <Commander5052> *cough*Darman JRcough*
21:09 <Charlemagne19> The P3 is getting a price reduction
21:09 <LosDosMos> His parents, Charles, or possibly grandparents
21:10 <LosDosMos> Well, maybe the Wii, that's nice and cheap
21:10 <Charlemagne19> I hope Karen doesn't have Darman let her go. It'd be horribly cool that way
21:10 <Charlemagne19> Ah yes, if Nintendo made any games. That would be good
21:10 <Rohniss> PS3's games may be 90 dollars according to a Sony exc.. though
21:10 <LtNOWIS> !!!
21:10 <LosDosMos> Her who, Charles? Etain?
21:10 <Charlemagne19> Yes
21:10 <LtNOWIS> I hope Etain joins the Empire.
21:10 <Rohniss> I hope shes killed..
21:10 <LosDosMos> The RepCom books will end badly and break my little fangirl heart
21:10 <Dgx> force unleashed is coming out in every console even Atari ST i think.. but no.. no PC
21:11 <Charlemagne19> I agree, killed works best
21:11 <LosDosMos> I them to live happily ever after, dammit :p
21:11 <imperial77b> Bardan is the Jedi Most Likely To Be Secduced by Coco Chanel Uniforms
21:11 <imperial77b> Or even Hugo Boss.
21:11 <Charlemagne19> Well at least we know that the Prequels ultimatey have a happy ending
21:11 <Enfilade> I guess we'll have to wait another, like, year and a half for book 4 to find out....
21:11 <Charlemagne19> THE EMPIRE IS VICTORIOUS AND THE SITH TRIUMPHANT
21:11 <Charlemagne19> ;-)
21:11 <LosDosMos> Bardan definitely likes his soldiering and uniform
21:11 <Havac> Actually, Kad'ika is . . . Korto Vos!
21:11 <Rohniss> and Aayla dies
21:11 <LtNOWIS> man, I love sweet uniforms
21:11 <Rohniss> NOOOOOO
21:11 <Rohniss> ill get you 5052
21:11 <Dunc> Kad'ika is the son of Korto and...
21:11 <Rohniss> me and Kar98 are coming for your cloned rear
21:11 <Enfilade> I think it'd be too easy for Darman to either kill etain OR let her go...I don't think he's ever gonna get to make that choice, something else will happen first IMHO. THat's my guess.
21:11 <Havac> I just want Vau to become an Inquisitor
21:12 <Charlemagne19> You know, I'd be more excited over Legacy if they were actually monthly
21:12 <Dunc> Wait, do we know if Etain had a boy or a girl?
21:12 <LtNOWIS> Vau doesn't have the Force
21:12 <Rohniss> boy
21:12 <Charlemagne19> and not QUARTERLY
21:12 <LosDosMos> Etain felt boy through the Force
21:12 <Dunc> nevermind, then
21:12 <Charlemagne19> Etain can feel rocks in the Force
21:12 <LosDosMos> Wait for the tpb :p
21:12 <Charlemagne19> Great, I can read it in 2012
21:13 <Dgx> when the re re re re re release of the OT come out :)
21:13 <Dunc> Legacy is reminding me why I frigging hate waiting for comic books.
21:13 <Rohniss> Id be excited if Dark horse stuck the schedule
21:13 <Dunc> I NEED AN ENTIRE STORY, DAMNIT!
21:13 <KolSkywalker> two legacy comics will be coming out at the same time pretty much
21:13 <Havac> Darman not having to make the choice would be kind of cheap, though
21:13 <Dgx> maybe they have a bad printer :S:S
21:13 <Rohniss> I JUST NOW got #9 from Amazon
21:13 <KolSkywalker> 4 isnt part of the ongoing story tho
21:13 <Havac> you don't need the FOrce to be an Inquisitor
21:13 <Commander5052> I really want to get 4. Nice to have another Stormioe story
21:14 <Charlemagne19> You usually do Havac
21:14 <Charlemagne19> Theres not exactly hundreds of them
21:14 <Dunc> I hope it's more than just a Stormie story...
21:14 <KolSkywalker> looks kind of weird though, art isnt done by jan in 4
21:14 <Dgx> hope Darth Maleval has something to do
21:14 <KolSkywalker> and with all the "noob" things..
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21:14 <KolSkywalker> does anyone feel like someone other then a solo/skywalker should be the hero for once?
21:14 <LtNOWIS> I thought you did
21:14 <Charlemagne19> It's weird, the only Dark Horse books that come out on time and regularly is the Manga
21:14 <Dunc> Learn a little more about the Sith Empire, maybe
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21:14 <Havac> you just need to be able to track and kill Jedi
21:14 <Commander5052> Yeah, but still. Davin's story in TMEC was my favorite one, so I hope this one is as good
21:14 <Charlemagne19> The Jedi Purge consists of Vader, a dozen Dark Jedi inquisitors, and some bounty hunters
21:15 <imperial77b> Charles, I never thought I'd see the day you described a Jedi feeling up her unborn son.
21:15 <LtNOWIS> dang lag...
21:15 <Enfilade> I dunno Havac...think about this...Darman's debating what to do and suddenly he sees Niner draw a bead on Etain...now what is he going to do...shoot his brother to save his girl friend or vice versa?
21:15 <Havac> there are non-FS Inquisitors -- let me check Wookiee
21:15 <LtNOWIS> "The Inquisitorius was a secret division of Imperial Intelligence consisting of dark side Force-sensitive agents known as Inquisitors."
21:15 <Commander5052> Enfilade: I'd say he'll slot Etain
21:15 <LosDosMos> It might depend on whether or not he knows about Darman Jr
21:15 <Charlemagne19> I'm bizarro charles, the Sith loving guy whom loves Moral ambiguity
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21:16 <LosDosMos> Shame that sociopath Kal doesn't die
21:16 <Rohniss> Kal isnt as bad as Vau
21:16 <LtNOWIS> I like Kal.
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21:16 <Commander5052> Kal SCARES me. And that's very hard to do
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21:16 <LosDosMos> No, but he's not good either
21:16 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Bizzarrrooooooooo
21:16 <Commander5052> As for Vau, he's just plain psycho. That I can live with
21:17 <LosDosMos> Kal reminds me of Jacen, deluded and justifying some of his actions
21:17 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Etain's not a very good Jedi anyway. I love how Traviss had them torturing people by book two *sarcasm*
21:17 <Commander5052> I gotta go. Nice chatting with everyone.
21:17 <LosDosMos> No, Etain is a crap Jedi, but that's why I like her. And at least she's self-aware enough to realize she needs to leave the Order
21:17 <Rohniss> shes just weak,..
21:17 <Rohniss> like Jusik
21:18 <imperial77b> Bye, '52
21:18 <Commander5052> I LIKED Jusik
21:18 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I don't get why every Jedi feels they need to leave the Order.
21:18 <Commander5052> And bye...
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21:18 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Is it wrong to have a FEW Jedi whom LIKE being Jedi?
21:18 <LosDosMos> Every Jedi? What, all 20?
21:18 <LosDosMos> Most of the characters DO like it, Charles. God knows why
21:18 <imperial77b> The other 5980 are Fallanassi illusions.
21:18 <LtNOWIS> you're not very Bizzaro.
21:18 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Every perspective Jedi except Obi Wan is a "rogue" with a secret love or reason to leave.
21:18 <imperial77b> Which explains the Jedi purge. :p
21:18 <LosDosMos> Some of them, like Anakin, want more. Some of them, like Obi-Wan, sublimate non-Jedi desires and stick to the straight and narrow
21:19 <imperial77b> perispacitive, you mean?
21:19 <Rohniss> obi wan had a secret loves too
21:19 <LosDosMos> Obi-Wan had Siri
21:19 <Rohniss> Ventress
21:19 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Yes, well I'm just too pleased at all the JEDI DEATHS in Legacy
21:19 <Rohniss> BDSM
21:19 <imperial77b> Anakin
21:19 <imperial77b> Padme
21:19 <LosDosMos> They just chose the Jedi over each other
21:19 <imperial77b> The list goes on, Charles.
21:19 <imperial77b> Obi-Wan was comfortable with his hypocrisy.
21:19 <Rohniss> I like it when characters die..
21:19 <LosDosMos> Etain and Jusik don't plan on doing that. But they're doing their duty and sticking it out through the Clone Wars, when Jedi are so needed
21:19 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I always liked Tholme. His response to Jedi attachments was "eh screw it"
21:19 <Rohniss> because it shows how human they really are
21:20 <imperial77b> Is that Bizarro?
21:20 <imperial77b> Agreed.
21:20 <imperial77b> Tholme, Quin, Ben, that guy on New Plympto.
21:20 <LosDosMos> What makes Tholme different from the other Jedi you dislike, Charles?
21:20 <imperial77b> You notice who the ones who *stay* Jedi are?
21:20 <imperial77b> A'Sharad.
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21:20 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I suppose what I dislike is the fact that most of the Jedi seem obsessed over the attachment rule.
21:20 <imperial77b> The misfits. The nutcases. The Treefuckers.
21:21 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Tholmes take is its really unimportant by comparison and it doesn't bother him.
21:21 <Dgx> (ehm.. what about bloodlines?)
21:21 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Everyone else treats it like its "Jesus is lord" part of the Jedi code as opposed to a minor and very interpretable bit of dogma
21:21 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Okay, back to Bloodlines.
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21:21 <imperial77b> Jacen? Sith lord. fits right in.
21:21 <LosDosMos> Tholme is a Master, though, right? He's older and has more autonomy. I completely understand younger Jedi Knights feeling more smothered by it.
21:21 <Rohniss> speaking of bloodlines
21:21 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Why the hell does everyone like Jacen in the galactic Alliance? How did he get promoted over Jaina?
21:22 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Shouldn't she be a General by now?
21:22 <Rohniss> Aside: Dunc, any chance of a VIP showing up like last time?
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21:22 <Dunc> I don't think so.
21:22 <Dgx> all the military stuff is for influence.. and luck
21:22 <LosDosMos> He didn't get promoted over her, they're of equal rank. Has Jaina actively been in the military?
21:22 <Dunc> It's like 2am in the UK
21:22 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Yeah, Karen fears the Force.net
21:22 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I think she thinks they plot against her life
21:22 <Dgx> its 8.20pm in Peru
21:22 <LosDosMos> Good thing we're not TF.N :p
21:22 <BizarroCharlemagne19> If he was Equal Rank he couldn't order her to blow up stuff
21:22 <imperial77b> Not really. Did Corran *ever* make colonel?
21:22 <BizarroCharlemagne19> She'd have seniority
21:23 <Rohniss> good thing Rohniss is capable of dealing with anyone messing with karen IRL
21:23 <Dunc> True, not all of us are TFN..
21:23 <LosDosMos> They were both Colonels, but he was in charge of Rogue Squadron
21:23 <imperial77b> When was Jaina boosted from Lt. Colonel to full?
21:23 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Which is asinine.
21:23 <Havac> Jaina's military status is weird -- it's like she got called back up
21:23 <BizarroCharlemagne19> And wasn't Rogue Squadron just Zekk, Jaina, and Jacen?
21:23 <imperial77b> Jedi Colonels?
21:23 <Havac> was she *leading* the Rogues?
21:23 <Dunc> That was really weird
21:23 <KolSkywalker> no
21:23 <KolSkywalker> thats all that was focused, karen said.
21:23 <imperial77b> Well, it's always been a political tool.
21:23 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Okay.
21:23 <LosDosMos> No, I think there were more; but it was just the 3 of them when Jacen blew up the civilian transport. For some reason.
21:23 <LtNOWIS> I thought Jaina joined back up for the war
21:23 <KolSkywalker> there could be a of other people, or even more jedi(i believe)
21:24 <Havac> Corran made colonel, imp
21:24 <imperial77b> Why need reasons when you have plot-driven storytelling?
21:24 <imperial77b> Thanks, Havac - any idea when?
21:24 <Havac> it was the three because they were one flight
21:24 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jacen has never served a day in his life in the military too
21:25 <LosDosMos> Opinons on Jacen blowing up the freighter?
21:25 <LtNOWIS> gotta go
21:25 <imperial77b> Not true - he had a squadron command for three months in DW.
21:25 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jacen is psychotic. Not a big change
21:25 <LtNOWIS> nice chatting with everyone
21:25 <BizarroCharlemagne19> touhe
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21:25 <Yrfeloran> he's a guy :P
21:25 <LosDosMos> Adios dude!
21:25 <KolSkywalker> military speaking it was right
21:25 <imperial77b> Bye, Nowis!
21:25 <Dgx> byee
21:25 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Soooooo Zekk still hot for Jaina or holding out for Jag?
21:25 <LosDosMos> I was looking for more than that, Bizarro :p
21:25 <Havac> by Dark Tide he was a colonel, but he got called back up, so I'd assume sometime just before he retired, post HOT
21:25 <LosDosMos> Zekk is hot for Jaina; Jacen will kill him, and she'll marry Jag
21:25 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jacen blew it up to start the war. I don't think he even understands what the hell he's doing from moment to moment anymore.
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21:26 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jacen is closest to Joruus C'boath. His logic is all off
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21:26 <Dunc> Good call.
21:26 <Dgx> Joruus was cool!
21:26 <Dunc> Joruus was an ass, too.
21:26 <Dgx> right you are
21:26 <Dunc> Jacen's just internalized it more
21:27 <KolSkywalker> the ship was still a threat and had entered the zone
21:27 <imperial77b> 'kay.
21:27 <imperial77b> Jacen = Palpatine
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21:27 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jacen Solo as Nixon: I wouldn't steal candy from a baby *lie detector goes off* Uhhh well even if I did, I wouldn't hurt the child *lie detectoe goes off*
21:27 <LosDosMos> Just Jorus, the non-clone. What a fruitcake.
21:27 <Dunc> No, not Palpy. Palpy didn't get his hnads dirty until the end./
21:27 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jorus C'boath: Hey five year old? Do you want to be a Jedi?
21:27 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Kid: YES!
21:27 <Havac> Jacen's closer to Dooku than Jorus -- he thinks he can bring order and peace through Sithdom
21:27 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jorus C'Boath: Excellent, come with me
21:27 <djreed> LoE Dooku I think is the best comparison, yeah
21:27 <Dgx> mm.. a LOTF Jacen figure is a good idea??
21:28 <Enfilade> Dar's relationship with Etain may change in book 3 too. Like, if he finds out she's pregnant and hasnt' told him
21:28 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Dooku had an idea of what he was doing. Jacen is making all sorts of crazy leaps
21:28 <BizarroCharlemagne19> He has no "plan" how to bring order
21:28 <LosDosMos> Well, Jacen is a complete sociopath. With a God complex.
21:28 <imperial77b> Jacen is basically roadkill on the fenders of the Force now.
21:28 <imperial77b> DE Palpatine.
21:28 <LosDosMos> Lol Imp
21:28 <imperial77b> Spot the Solobrat switcharoo.
21:29 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Anakin Solo comes back in Book 9: I've been trapped on LOST island! I was Jack!
21:29 <Dgx> hahaha
21:29 <KolSkywalker> lol
21:29 <KolSkywalker> Lost is a great show
21:29 <djreed> when the plot demands it, Star Wars sociopathy has a sudden on switch. It's like Force Users can cut the parts that bug them out of their brain.
21:29 <LosDosMos> If Anakin comes back, it'll have to be around 6 or 7. The "big incindiary event" that supposedly still to come, perhaps?
21:29 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Yes, well actually that has a prescedent. The whole "Dark Side consumption" thing
21:29 <imperial77b> Nahh. Jacen's schitzism (is that a word) is there as early as "Heirs to the Force"...
21:29 <imperial77b> Scene 1.
21:29 <imperial77b> Which is pretty amazing.
21:30 <Dgx> anakin wont come back
21:30 <imperial77b> Fully-outlined psychological complex.
21:30 <LosDosMos> Haven't read that one, but his arrogance is obvious from Vector Prime
21:30 <Dunc> He's dead, Jim
21:30 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Ah yes, in Young Jedi Knights where he and his incestous sister slaughter puppies while plotting to kill Tenel Ka
21:30 <Havac> I'm a little wary of calling Jacen a sociopath -- the problem is that he's so into cold logic that he's losing touch with morality
21:30 <imperial77b> *starts humming Flash Gordon theme*
21:30 <KolSkywalker> he better, if he doenst come back as a force ghost ill be pissed
21:30 <djreed> Honestly, I was bemused that Thracken couldn't clone Ani...
21:30 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jacen isn't a sociopath, it's just he's suddenly acting like one.
21:30 <Havac> If Anakin comes back, I'll vomit
21:30 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Karen wrote him like 3rd world dictators, whom had mental problems before
21:30 <BizarroCharlemagne19> *gets Havac vomit bucket*
21:30 <imperial77b> McEwok actually made a pretty good post about it today/yesterday at TF.N...
21:31 <imperial77b> The Last King of Corellia?
21:31 <BizarroCharlemagne19> My response to Anakin's ressurection
21:31 * Rohniss has joined #eu
21:31 <Rohniss> sorry
21:31 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Palpatine: You could be chancellor. Jar jar: Really? Palpatine: NOOooooooooooooooooooooooooo
21:31 <Rohniss> had to download chatzilla.. the client locked up for me
21:31 <imperial77b> ^^ Idi Amin joke. ;¬)
21:31 <LosDosMos> Last King of Corellia?
21:31 <Dgx> maybe they can do a robot.. who thinks is anakin! oh.. bad idea
21:31 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Ah poor Rohniss. While you were Gone, I dissolved the Senate and declared myself Emperor
21:31 <KolSkywalker> lol dgx
21:32 <imperial77b> The Last King of Scotland - one of the titles used by the Ugandan dictator Idi Amin
21:32 * Dunc snorts
21:32 <imperial77b> Now a novel and movie.
21:32 <BizarroCharlemagne19> The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.
21:32 <LosDosMos> Well, that sounds lovely :p
21:32 <Dgx> i found that part of betrayal sad.. poor little ugly robot :(
21:32 <djreed> Thrackan getting a blood sample is more plausible than Thrackan getting brain scans.. but wrong book.
21:32 <imperial77b> The Last King of Corellia - technically, Jacen Solo.
21:32 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Obviously Luke Skywalker will marry one of the Fel daughters and become the first Fel Eperor ;-)
21:32 <Rohniss> merely to spite J/J shippers charles
21:32 <Enfilade> I hope anakin stays dead
21:32 <Enfilade> both of them
21:32 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Luke: This whole democracy thing didn't work.
21:33 <imperial77b> It'll turn out that Tir's Dad and Shmi...
21:33 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Yes, of course.
21:33 <djreed> Is it strictly male-line, or would Jaina be Queen? :P
21:33 <Dgx> the three! counting the anakin robot :)
21:33 <djreed> she is the elder...
21:33 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Luke needs an illegitimate kid with Callista
21:33 <BizarroCharlemagne19> It can't make us respect them less at this point
21:33 <imperial77b> She'd be last queen, 'cuz the title gets swallowed up by Emperor when Jacen gets fillited.
21:33 <LosDosMos> Don't tell Windy you said that, Charles :p
21:33 <djreed> we need Han's other daughter :P
21:33 <imperial77b> Kiera? Whatsername?
21:33 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Whom went on to become LUMIYA!
21:33 <BizarroCharlemagne19> ;-)
21:34 <Dunc> Han's other daughter is marrys Jag... which is why Roan looks like him...
21:34 <Rohniss> after flowwalking back into the past
21:34 <Havac> dictator Luke: now that'll get the SOS thread crowd up in arms
21:34 <LosDosMos> Flowwalking is ridiculous
21:34 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Except Roan's daughter looks like Padme
21:34 <djreed> ugh, yes
21:34 <djreed> just Prequel references in general
21:34 <Rohniss> everytime i see that word.. I shudder
21:34 <Dunc> Allana is Mommy #2?
21:34 <djreed> suddenly everyone knows EVERYTHING about the prequels.
21:34 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Have Jacen marry Jag. They're doing wonderful things with genetics these days.
21:34 <Rohniss> no..
21:34 <Rohniss> Zekk marries jag
21:35 <LosDosMos> In book 9, Jacen should be stripped out power like Ulic Qel-Droma so flowwalking can never be passed on to other Force users
21:35 <BizarroCharlemagne19> That works!
21:35 <LosDosMos> Kyp marries Jacen?
21:35 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Wait, i've got it!
21:35 <djreed> Taun We magically knows the contents of a private conversation between Dooku and Jango, etc.
21:35 <BizarroCharlemagne19> BEN MARRIES FEL'S YOUNGEST DAUGHTER!
21:35 <KolSkywalker> why not flowwalk back in time and save anakin, take him as his sith apprentice
21:35 <LosDosMos> Wow, that actually hadn't occured to me
21:35 <KolSkywalker> lol
21:35 <Havac> flowwalking flowwalking flowwalking :-p
21:35 <imperial77b> She's Tahiri's age... no, wait.
21:35 <KolSkywalker> anakin solo, that is
21:35 <imperial77b> Jacen goes off to become a poor man's Jaalib Brandl.
21:35 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Marka Ragnos flowwalks forward to have sex with Shimmi
21:36 <imperial77b> That works.
21:36 <Dgx> i want to flowwalk :(
21:36 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Marka Ragnos: I have the Horny Helmet
21:36 <Rohniss> rofls
21:36 <Rohniss> the Horny helment.. a decendant of the FSH
21:36 <LosDosMos> But Anakin wasn't a halfbreed :p It'd have to Exar Kun or somebody
21:36 <imperial77b> Jacen kills someone to bring back Anakin.
21:36 <KolSkywalker> i thought he was gonna really talk to vader, im glad he held himself back. hes not that crazy yet
21:36 <Havac> that's because taun We flowwalked into the conversation, djreed
21:36 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Marka Ragnos: Shmi just had dominant genes
21:37 <Dgx> Jacen can interfiere with the past??
21:37 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jacen Solo talks to Anakin could be interesting
21:37 <LosDosMos> Whatever Charles :p
21:37 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Anakin: I'm going to turn in Palpatine and confess my sins!
21:37 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jacen: NO! You musn't!
21:37 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Anakin: Huh? Okay
21:37 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jacen: Whew.
21:37 <Rohniss> Who are you?
21:37 <Rohniss> Jacen: isnt important
21:37 <Havac> I'm just scared of Ragnos's beard
21:38 <Rohniss> I was diappointed by Ragnos
21:38 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Ragnos: Walk like an Egyptian....err I mean Sith
21:38 <LosDosMos> Dgx--Jacen interfered with the past when he flowwalked in DN. He ended up saving Raynar Thul and Lomi Plo
21:38 <Rohniss> I owned him in JK:JA
21:38 <djreed> it's very very silly. HOW is everyone supposed to know all about the prequels, even the secret stuff, after 60 years have gone by with zero knowledge .sigh.
21:38 <Havac> Jacen can't bring back Anakin -- flowwalking follows the rules of logic where you can't change the past
21:38 <LosDosMos> Artoo is just that badass, apparently
21:38 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Djreed: The whole point is everyone knew, they just didn't mention it
21:38 <Dunc> Artoo is more badass than anyone - even Fett
21:38 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Djreed: The in-universe explanation is the Clone Wars had all records erased because Palpatine had them altered to remove references to the Jedi Knights.
21:38 <KolSkywalker> indeed he did, so why couldnt he go save anakin solo. and why doesnt he think of his lil brother once in these books
21:38 <Dgx> can artoo flowwalk?
21:38 <LosDosMos> Nah, Threepio pwns all
21:39 <Dunc> Artoo flowrolls.
21:39 <LosDosMos> Because he's an egomaniacal sociopath!
21:39 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Jacen hates Anakin. I think that's the only explanation. Remember when Shimmra revealed in TUF that Vegere killed Anakin
21:39 <djreed> yes, I understand that, but someone give me a VAGUELY plausible reason for Taun We to know what she knew.
21:39 <Havac> dj -- blame it on VOren
21:39 <Rohniss> what charles?
21:39 <imperial77b> djreed - Artoo was a keen amateur video operator.
21:39 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Taun We probably works with the Clones of the Mandos
21:39 <LosDosMos> Jacen knew Anakin was a better Jedi Knight than he could ever be
21:39 <Rohniss> I didnt read TUF.. gave up on NJO after Traitor
21:39 <imperial77b> Voren and Arhul never told an honest word.
21:40 <BizarroCharlemagne19> She was behind the Rebellion against the Empire youknow
21:40 <LosDosMos> But where does Ko Sai fit in?
21:40 <KolSkywalker> yes he did los, jacen wasnt sure what he would become even at the start of the vong war
21:40 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Voren takes a lot of flack. Just because he called it the EVIL Empire, people say he has no impartiality
21:40 <Rohniss> Morally Questionable
21:40 <Rohniss> would have been better than Evil
21:40 <djreed> There is no way that conversation would have ever become public unless Dooku's Secret Diary got published or something. meh
21:41 <Rohniss> well they did find Nutes Chair
21:41 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Taun We probably stole Dooku's notes.
21:41 <imperial77b> Well, Arhul was Mon Mothma's speechwriter... and Voren was... kinda his pet idiot.
21:41 <LosDosMos> Jacen didn't KNOW anything, but he was sure convinced that everyone else was utterly wrong. And that was, what, 15 years ago? Before the Vong, before Vergere, before Lumiya. He was on the Sith path then
21:41 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Voren married Tarkin's niece you know
21:41 <imperial77b> Does he even *realise* his wife is NRI?
21:41 <djreed> I'd like to see some continued ignorance of the exact details of the prequels and the prequel EU, please
21:41 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Voren?
21:41 <imperial77b> Voren, aye.
21:42 <BizarroCharlemagne19> Well they had ignorance for 50 years, the in-universe explanation is somehow Voren found out it all
21:42 <Rohniss> Tarkin's niece is NRI?
21:42 <imperial77b> Nah, that would confuse the casual readers.
21:42 <imperial77b> Yep.
21:42 <BizarroCharlemagne19> I'm wondering if Voren just found Palpatine's stash of "Evil Plans" in a datapad marked with "Evil Plans" on it