19:35 <Trip> Luke's whole first class is a mess, really...
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19:35 <Trip> It's ridonkulous that we still don't know who his entire first class was.
19:35 <Typo> Right.
19:35 <Albireo> It went rather well, I think. Stayed on topic better than the last time I was here.
19:35 <Jello> Yeah, it was more of a "talk about anything BUT Legacy chat" :-p
19:35 <Typo> What was it, 12 students, right?
19:35 <Trip> Yeah.
19:35 <Albireo> No.
19:36 <Trip> We're missing two still.
19:36 <Trip> There's really no excuse for Stackpole not giving them (and Madurrin, at the time) names.
19:36 <Albireo> Of course there is.
19:36 <Trip> Well... none for KJA, either, but less for Stackie. :P
19:36 <LordHydronium> Hm...Havet Storm, maybe?
19:36 <Trip> Maybe.
19:37 <Trip> I've decided that Harlan's gotta be one of them.
19:37 <LordHydronium> Sanders?
19:37 <Albireo> But that would make the lizard whatever his name a member too... And Havet was just a student when he was killed, correct?
19:37 <Trip> No, that chick from the JASB
19:37 <LordHydronium> Oh. That makes more sense. :P
19:37 <Trip> The one Leland says probably isn't canon.
19:37 <LordHydronium> Wait, she's in the JASB...but not canon?
19:38 <Trip> She's a player example character or something.
19:38 <LordHydronium> Ah.
19:38 <Trip> But there's a mystery woman in the NEC.
19:38 <Trip> So, may as well.
19:38 <Trip> I figure.
19:38 <Typo> Who do we know?
19:38 <LordHydronium> Mystery woman?
19:38 <Trip> There's also a mystery guy, but I guess he could be Brakiss.
19:38 <Trip> We know ten:
19:39 <Trip> Corran, Kyle, Brakiss, Kam, Tionee, Dorsk 1.0, Streen, Kirana Ti, Madurrin, and...
19:39 <Trip> Gantoris, yeah.
19:39 <Trip> Missing two.
19:39 <Trip> But there's a myster woman in the NEC, and a guy who may or may not be Gantoris.
19:39 <Trip> So they might be it.
19:39 <Trip> Hydro-- in the "class photo."
19:39 <Typo> Yeah, so they're not counting the in-and-out Kyle and Mara, I'm assuming.
19:39 <LordHydronium> This one, right? http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Luke_with_Jedi.jpg
19:39 <Trip> No, Kyle counts.
19:40 <Typo> Really?
19:40 <Typo> That's kinda meh.
19:40 <Typo> He wasn't there for very long.
19:40 <Trip> Yeah, that one.
19:40 <Trip> Typo-- it is.
19:40 <Trip> It's stupid, too, because supposedly he and Corran were pals.
19:40 <LordHydronium> Isn't that Streen in the back? I thought he had some weird helmet.
19:40 <Trip> You'd think he'd've been mentioned in the book
19:40 <LordHydronium> In some sources.
19:40 <Trip> Yeah, streen in back.
19:40 <dgAWAY> what is the topic?
19:40 <Trip> Luke, then ?
19:40 <LordHydronium> Then Kirana, then Kyp, then Luke.
19:40 <Trip> Then Kirana Ti, then Mystery Girl.
19:41 <LordHydronium> And the chick in the foreground.
19:41 <Trip> No, Kyp wasn't in the first class.
19:41 <Trip> He came in later.
19:41 <Trip> After Gantoris got toasted.
19:41 <LordHydronium> I'm pretty sure that's Kyp between Kirana and Luke, isn't it?
19:41 <Typo> He filled in after Gantoris.
19:41 <Trip> It looks vaguely like Kyp, but it can't be him.
19:41 <Trip> The caption specifies that those're from the first batch of students.
19:42 <Typo> Ah.
19:42 <Trip> So: Gantoris?
19:42 <Typo> Maybe.
19:42 <Trip> Or Mystery #2?
19:42 <Typo> Gantoris was rather young, no?
19:42 <Trip> Yeah, twenties, IIRC.
19:42 <LordHydronium> Oh, yeah, the caption does say it's the starting class.
19:42 <Typo> Not Kyp young, but young nonetheless.
19:42 <Trip> Ponytail, though.
19:42 <Trip> Although I guess there could be one down that guy's back.
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19:42 <Typo> Yeah, I think it is him.
19:43 <Trip> It works, yeah.
19:43 <Typo> His hair does look like it's drawn back some.
19:43 <dgAWAY> wb Horsey
19:43 * dgAWAY is now known as dgxxx
19:43 <Horsey> ty
19:43 <Trip> So, we have Mystery Woman and Mystery Number 2.
19:43 <Trip> Mystery Woman may as well be Harlan.
19:43 <Trip> Although we'll see.
19:43 <Trip> Mystery 2?
19:43 <Trip> I refuse to believe Keyan was /also/ there and unmentioned by Corran.
19:44 <Trip> So, Havet? That guy from Nightsaber?
19:44 <Trip> Also, Mystery Woman Who Ought To Be Harlan has a 'saber.
19:44 <LordHydronium> Doesn't look like Havet.
19:44 <Typo> As much as I agree with you, Keyan really should have been part of the first class.
19:45 <Trip> Supposedly Corran and Kam-- and later Gantoris-- were the only ones with 'sabers.
19:45 <dgxxx> what class?
19:45 <Trip> So does Corran have a faulty memory?
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19:45 <Trip> Is that a prop for the holo?
19:45 <LordHydronium> Maybe Voren just captioned it wrong. :P
19:45 <Trip> Typo-- he should.
19:45 <Trip> Or that. :P
19:45 <Trip> But that's too easy.
19:46 <Typo> I think Corran does have a faulty memory.
19:46 <LordHydronium> Really, I think the artist intended it to be Kyp.
19:46 <Trip> It bugs me enough that Kyle was there along with Corran and unmentioned, though.
19:46 <Typo> To be honest.
19:46 <LordHydronium> But that doesn't work with the caption.
19:46 <LordHydronium> So...
19:46 <Trip> He works as Gantoris, though.
19:46 <Trip> As Typo pointed out.
19:47 <Trip> Yeah, I'd also think Corran might've mentioned a big giant dinosaur at least once.
19:47 <LordHydronium> "There are far worse things than heat." - Gantoris to Luke Skywalker
19:47 <LordHydronium> Ah, that scintillating KJA dialogue.
19:47 <Typo> I think that it's likely that Corran wouldn't know of Keyan.
19:47 <Typo> He flew under the radar pretty well after Yavin.
19:47 <Typo> So to speak.
19:47 <Trip> Yeah, true.
19:48 <Trip> Hm.
19:48 <Trip> Maybe Corran purposely altered his diary/memoirs/whatever?
19:48 <Havac> What are we talking about?
19:48 <Trip> All the stuff he did was Kyle's idea.
19:48 <Trip> He just took credit. :P
19:48 <Typo> Or perhaps he's just not as observant as he likes to say he is.
19:48 <LordHydronium> Havac: First class of the NJO.
19:49 <Trip> You'd have to be blind not to see a twelve foot dinosaur.
19:49 <Havac> Madurrin?
19:49 <Typo> Yes.
19:49 <Trip> Yeah.
19:49 <Typo> And he sure didn't see Madurrin.
19:49 <Trip> The Dark Force saga also indicates that Corran and Kyle became fast friends.
19:49 <Trip> So it's bizarre that he wasn't mentioned at all.
19:49 <RF> Kyle's presence was classified. :p
19:49 <Havac> I really wish the class had just been set out firmly from the start.
19:50 <Typo> Don't we all?
19:50 <Trip> Yeah.
19:50 <Albireo> No.
19:50 <Trip> Like I said, twelve students.
19:50 <Trip> There's really no excuse.
19:50 <Trip> Especially for Stackpole.
19:50 <Typo> If they can give us a solid number, why not some solid names?
19:50 <Trip> If you're gonna redo things, at least do them all the way.
19:50 <Trip> Yeah, if it was a vague number, then whatever.
19:50 <Albireo> He was just fixing broken things, not making them perfect.
19:51 <Trip> But if you specify a dozen, then we'd better get a dozen.
19:51 <dgxxx> how loong til the Legacy chat?
19:51 <Typo> I don't blame Stackpole, really.
19:51 <LordHydronium> 9 minuts, dg.
19:51 <LordHydronium> *minutes
19:51 <Typo> I just wish that, over the years, we'd have been given a solid list of names.
19:51 <Typo> Instead of sitting around scratching our heads.
19:51 <Albireo> It's just like the Beatles. How many there were?
19:51 <Albireo> Everybody has their own opinion.
19:52 <Trip> Hmm...
19:52 <Typo> Of how many Beatles there were?
19:52 <Trip> Has anyone ever asked Leland?
19:52 <Albireo> Yep.
19:52 <LordHydronium> Hm, reading the Dark Forces Saga, Havet wouldn't work, I don't think.
19:52 <Albireo> About the Beatles?
19:52 <Trip> I wonder if the holocron already has them all, and no one asked. :P
19:52 <Typo> Yeah, what is Lelands official stance on the Beatles?
19:52 <Trip> Leland says he prefers not to give a concrete number.
19:53 <Dunc> Does he perfer John or Paul?
19:53 <Typo> I bet he says that Ringo isn't canon.
19:53 <Trip> He says that the 'Cron has him as S-canon.
19:53 <Trip> So it's iffy.
19:53 <Albireo> There are few older Jedi like Kenth who appear out of nowhere. Could he be one of them? Or that Traviss character, Kubariet?
19:53 <LordHydronium> You mean, what is Leland's stance on beetuls? :P http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Beetul
19:54 <Albireo> Instead of some students like Storm who died young.
19:54 <Trip> Luke apparently was taking on students like crazy right after JAT ended.
19:54 <Havac> Yeah, people like Cray and Nichos, too.
19:55 <Trip> And Jaden's entire class.
19:55 <Trip> And all the folks in JO.
19:55 <Albireo> The training was fast then. So why not?
19:55 <Havac> And half the first class got promoted in about a year. The rest took about ten.
19:55 <Trip> And all the people in JA:L
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19:55 <Trip> How do people in the Skywalker order make Master, anyway?
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19:55 <Albireo> It was only natural that after the original rush to train Jedi they would try to increase the quality of training.
19:56 <Trip> Denning all but outright said they do the same thing Ruusan ones did.
19:56 <Trip> But Luke's pissy with Jacen for not being a master, and insists Ben needs a genuine master...
19:56 <Trip> What gives?
19:56 <Albireo> Originally one had to train a student to Jedi Knight status, but apparently now one is made a Master, without having to train anyone.
19:56 <Trip> Right.
19:56 <Trip> When and why did that change?
19:57 <Trip> And how does one become a Master now?
19:57 <Albireo> It might be that now it is only the Masters that can train new Jedi Knights.
19:57 <Albireo> It was basically changed in LotF, I think.
19:57 <LordHydronium> The Jacen-mastery thing suggests that the Council names them.
19:57 <Trip> Yep.
19:57 <Trip> But five years earlier they're doing the same Ruusan style masterships.
19:58 <Albireo> Yes.
19:58 <Trip> So...
19:58 <Trip> I guess plot's the only explanation, eh?
19:58 <Trip> :P
19:58 <Typo> Luke's been winging it for years.
19:58 <Albireo> Perhaps the authors changed this so that Jaina and (theoretically) Jacen could become Masters without having to have apprentices in LotF.
19:59 <Albireo> No need for Jaina to have yet another sidekick.
19:59 <Typo> No kidding.
19:59 <dgxxx> you need apprentices to be a master?
19:59 <Albireo> Previously yes, not now.
19:59 <Trip> Prior to 75 you did.
19:59 <Dunc> ALMOST TIME
19:59 <Dunc> PUT ON YOUR LEGACY HATS!
19:59 <LordHydronium> Typo's right. Luke probably changes it on a whim. "This week, everyone with a "K" in their name is a Master."
19:59 <Trip> Now, who knows.
19:59 <Dunc> ANY...
20:00 <Dunc> MINUTE...
20:00 <Dunc> NOW!
20:00 <LordHydronium> Kirana, Kenth, Kam, Kyle...not you, Corran.
20:00 * Dunc changes topic to 'Legacy Chat is ON!.'
20:00 <Trip> Although by 175 we're back to the standard Ruusan-style thing.
20:00 <Trip> Okay, okay, Legacy.
20:00 <dgxxx> quick! Legacy thoughts!
20:00 <Dunc> Children?
20:00 <LordHydronium> Legawhat?
20:00 <LordHydronium> Whatacy?
20:00 <Dunc> Comics
20:00 <Dunc> The future
20:00 <LordHydronium> Oh, that series with Darth Caedus. :P
20:00 <Dunc> Get your brains off Yavin IV
20:00 <Albireo> I have just spend hours of talking about it...
20:00 <Typo> My clock says I have a minute!
20:00 <LordHydronium> No, wait, the Jude Watson bok.
20:00 <LordHydronium> *book
20:01 <Dunc> Too bad!
20:01 <Typo> Aww!
20:01 <LordHydronium> Ooh, ooh, I know! The History Channel special!
20:01 <Trip> I think Siri's Mara's mother.
20:01 <Typo> You're killing my fun!
20:01 * Dunc facepalms
20:01 <Trip> Wouldn't that be awesome????
20:01 <Dunc> Don't make me turn this car around.
20:01 <LordHydronium> This is no car. It's a space station.
20:01 <dgxxx> who will be the new villain when Krayt dies?
20:01 <Typo> Nihl.
20:01 <Trip> Krayt won't die.
20:01 <Albireo> Siri gave birth years after her death?
20:02 <Trip> He is...
20:02 <Trip> Invincible.
20:02 <LordHydronium> Empress Calixte.
20:02 <Dunc> Who says Krayt is gonna die?
20:02 <Typo> If he does, it'll be Nihl.
20:02 <Typo> But he won't.
20:02 <Albireo> Roan Fel.
20:02 <Typo> He's already a villain.
20:02 <Trip> Stazi.
20:02 <Typo> Just not THE villain.
20:02 <Trip> He'll be the new villain.
20:02 <Typo> His name rhymes with Nazi, so yes, that is possible!
20:03 <Trip> Roan's the hero, silly.
20:03 <Albireo> Why not surprise as all and make Cade the new villain? It's not like we would have seen anything similar in EU...
20:03 <Dunc> Shush you
20:03 <LordHydronium> Roan transcends such simple designations as "hero" and "villain".
20:03 <LordHydronium> Roan simply is.
20:03 <Albireo> Well, Roan Lands was a kind of hero...
20:03 <Trip> Victorious on All Fronts.
20:03 <Albireo> But then Vader killed him.
20:04 <Albireo> Just to spite Ferus.
20:04 <LordHydronium> All Roans lead to Rome.
20:04 <Trip> I really hope Colin comes back to Legacy.
20:04 <LordHydronium> Roan Shryne?
20:04 <LordHydronium> Man, there are a lot of Roans.
20:04 <LtNOWIS> I created the disambig page for them.
20:04 <Ulicus> Hero, villian, saviour, conquerer - Roan Fel is all things, but in the end he is victorious on all fronts
20:04 <Trip> I've noticed that Jan and John recycled a lot of names for Legacy.
20:04 <Trip> Which I like.
20:04 <Dunc> Oh, was Roan the name of Ferus' ~*true love*~
20:04 <LtNOWIS> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Roan_%28disambiguation%29
20:05 <Dunc> Me too, Trip.
20:05 <LordHydronium> And used a lot of "-iah" names.
20:05 <Dunc> Very realistic
20:05 <Trip> Yep.
20:05 <LtNOWIS> 2 Roans are from Jude Watson
20:06 <Typo> I bet that a lot of those names are, in universe, tribute to historic figures.
20:06 <Albireo> Will Legacy ever aknowledge it's debt to Watson's work?
20:06 <Trip> Especially Vaos with no relation to Mission.
20:06 <Trip> That delighted me.
20:06 <Trip> Death to stupid assumptions!
20:06 <Trip> Ganner probably is, Typo.
20:06 <Typo> Very likely.
20:06 <Trip> Roan and other, though, I can just see being common names.
20:06 <Typo> Perhaps.
20:07 <Dunc> Roan Antilles, John Smith of the GFFA?
20:07 <LtNOWIS> Well a lot of common names are named after someone, ultimately.
20:07 <Trip> True.
20:07 <LordHydronium> Off topic, but I thought The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader saying that "Skywalker" wasn't an uncommon name was interesting.
20:07 <dgxxx> Im sure there is a lot of Lukes in the GFFA
20:08 <Albireo> Especially as we haven't seen anyother Skywalkers.
20:08 <Trip> We've only seen, what, .0000000001% of the galaxy's people?
20:08 <LtNOWIS> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luke
20:08 <dgxxx> a lot of mothers would put "Luke" to his children just cause of Luke
20:09 <LtNOWIS> Didn't that new Windham book confirm Skywalker was a common name?
20:09 <Albireo> Yet we have seen several Antilles families.
20:09 <LordHydronium> Nowis: As said about 6 lines above, yes. ;)
20:09 <LtNOWIS> Dang.
20:09 <LtNOWIS> Curse you.
20:09 <Trip> Albireo-- think of Antilles as Jones.
20:09 <Trip> And Skywalker as, I don't know...
20:09 <Albireo> Logically there should be lots of Lukes and Leias and Hans in the galaxy.
20:09 <Trip> Lucas.
20:10 <Trip> Or whatever.
20:10 <Albireo> Hero worship and all that.
20:10 <Trip> Less common, but still common.
20:10 <LtNOWIS> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Han
20:10 <LtNOWIS> No other Leias AFAIK
20:10 <Trip> Naw, everyone hates Luke.
20:10 <Ulicus> I'd like "Skywalker" to just be a name that meant "Pilot"
20:10 <Trip> And Leia, too.
20:10 <Trip> Han I could see.
20:10 <Typo> In all seriousness, what is "Common" in the galaxy? It's a big place out there.
20:10 <Trip> Skywalker is heavily implied to be a Tatooine-specific surname.
20:10 <dgxxx> Hmm it will be interesting that some mother put her children a Vong name :P
20:10 <Ulicus> So, you have a lot of skywalkers, becuase you have a lot of descendants from pilots
20:11 <Trip> Or at least that part of the Rim.
20:11 <Ulicus> Ah, ok
20:11 <Albireo> Except that the family didn't come from Tatooine.
20:11 <Dunc> There's a George Lucas out there who's a paster in... Indiana, I think?
20:11 <Trip> Well, they didn't know that. :P
20:11 <Trip> Most implications come prior to the prequels.
20:11 <Albireo> Vong name like Kol?
20:11 <dgxxx> Interestin Albireo
20:11 <Trip> Darklighter, Sandskimmer, etc.
20:11 <LtNOWIS> Shmi's not a native Tatooinian
20:11 <Ulicus> I still think there's nothing that says Luke couldn't have been Luke Lars until Obi-Wan told him the truth about his father :P
20:12 <dgxxx> rumdrinker, now thats a good last name
20:12 <Trip> Nowis-- yeah, but prior to the prequels I think Annie was a tatooine native.
20:12 <Trip> Not that it matters now.
20:12 <Trip> Although, other rimkin seem to have similar names.
20:12 <Trip> Starkiller from Aduba-3, etc.
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20:13 <LordHydronium> Starkiller - now there's a common name.
20:13 <Typo> Good job RF.
20:13 <Trip> Yeah.
20:13 <Trip> Bendak...
20:13 <Dunc> OH HEY AREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT LEGACY?
20:13 <RF> NO.
20:13 <dgxxx> Kol is a Vong name?
20:13 <LordHydronium> Even amongst the Mon Calamari, THANK YOU VERY MUCH GALAXIES. :|
20:13 <LtNOWIS> Guinea pig is today's FA on Wikipedia.
20:13 <Dunc> Maybe Cade will run into some of those unrelated Skywalker. :P
20:13 <Ulicus> We're talking about the folks who left the legacy....
20:14 <LtNOWIS> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Starkiller
20:14 <Typo> Nah, Dunc. I honestly think Cade's it.
20:14 <LtNOWIS> Maybe it's like "Stalin," Hydro
20:14 <Trip> Wow.
20:14 <Albireo> Kol is a name found among Humans, Aliens and Yuuzhan Vong as a first name.
20:14 <Typo> Krayt had all the other Skywalker's killed so everyone would forget about that family for good.
20:14 <Dunc> I still think may Kol had some siblings or an aunt or something
20:14 <Trip> Rodian, Mon Cal
20:14 <Dunc> Without the 'Skywalker' name.
20:14 <Ulicus> I agree with Dunc
20:14 <LordHydronium> Nowis: Needs the Starkiller Kid.
20:14 <Ulicus> Well, I think he had some WITH the Skywalker name too
20:15 <LtNOWIS> Good point
20:15 <Trip> Does Cade know who his momma is?
20:15 <Dunc> well yeah.
20:15 <Albireo> Probably not.
20:15 <Typo> If not, the next issue would be an odd intro.
20:15 <Dunc> We don't know.
20:15 <Trip> It's ambiguous, now, when she took off.
20:15 <Ulicus> I can't see why he wouldn't know
20:15 <Trip> Initially she left when he was a newborn.
20:15 <Ulicus> its not like Kol would pretend he didn't have one
20:15 <LordHydronium> "There was no mother."
20:16 <Trip> The latest has her showing a holo of holding him as an infant.
20:16 <Albireo> Kol probably just told him some old recycled Ben Kenobi lies.
20:16 <Trip> So, ?
20:16 <Trip> Art error?
20:16 <Typo> "You see, when a daddy wants a kid very much, he finds him in a back ally and takes him home!"
20:16 <LordHydronium> "I conceived him, er, someone gave birth to him...I can't explain what happened."
20:16 <Ulicus> "the stalk carried him, I raised him, I didn't give birth"
20:16 * Ulicus imagines Cade with a feather held by his nose
20:16 <Trip> Maybe he told him Wolf was his mother. :P
20:17 <LordHydronium> Clearly the work of Plagueis from beyond the grave. His new power, Force Womb.
20:17 <Typo> That'd be believeable, as much as Wolf coddles him.
20:17 <dgxxx> ok gotta run
20:17 <dgxxx> night all!
20:17 * Horsey_Away is now known as Horsey
20:17 <LordHydronium> Later.
20:17 <Albireo> Why did the quality of conversation fall with the change of a continent?
20:17 <Typo> Night.
20:17 * dgxxx has quit IRC
20:17 <Typo> We're goofy?
20:18 <Ulicus> the quality wasn't exactly stellar in the Eurochat
20:18 <Dunc> Albireo obviously wasn't here for the Sacrifice chat.
20:18 <Horsey> I wasn't around to moderate what y'all were talking about
20:18 <Trip> Ooh, that's it.
20:18 <Horsey> I'm back, so that'll change
20:18 * Horsey looks stern
20:18 <Typo> YEah, because Dunc doesn't try that too.
20:18 <Trip> He had Nei Rin grown Cade for him.
20:18 <Trip> *grow
20:18 <Trip> Gah
20:18 <Ulicus> Cade is a vongspore
20:19 <Ulicus> he originated as a spike on kol's forehead
20:19 <Ulicus> genius.
20:19 <Trip> CoralCade
20:19 <Albireo> See what I meant?
20:20 <Trip> Wake tiki up
20:20 <Typo> No, I don't.
20:20 <Ulicus> Oh yea
20:20 <Ulicus> I need to tell everyone who doesn't know the mission
20:20 <Trip> She's bound to raise conversational quality
20:20 <Ulicus> The Mission: Get tiki into Star Wars canon
20:20 <Ulicus> preferably as a droid with something to do with the holonet - but any reference will do
20:20 <Trip> As a girl droid.
20:20 <Dunc> Well Al, you could always attempt to change the topic... Instead of bitching about it
20:21 <Ulicus> as a guri type droid?
20:21 <Dunc> NO
20:21 <Trip> Yes.
20:21 <Trip> As a girl /sex/ droid.
20:21 <Dunc> Tiki is not a sex droid!
20:21 <Ulicus> that'd please jello I imagine
20:21 <Trip> That an Imperial aristocrat keeps in his cupboard. :D
20:21 <Jello> Do not speak My name in vain.
20:21 <Typo> What exactly are we supposed to chat about, beyond Legacy in general?
20:21 <Dunc> heh
20:21 <Ulicus> how was that in vain?
20:21 <Typo> There's been no recent release.
20:21 <Ulicus> Everything
20:22 <Jello> It was gratuitous and therefore vain.
20:22 <Typo> Help me Dunc, you're my only hope.
20:22 <Dunc> Okay, okay
20:22 <Trip> Dunc, topic!
20:22 <Dunc> What's your favorite part of Legacy?
20:22 <Trip> Topic now!
20:22 <Trip> Okay.
20:22 <sabarte> The Moffs
20:22 <Typo> Characters.
20:22 <Horsey> Cade's behind!
20:22 <Jello> Dynasty.
20:22 <Ulicus> ...
20:22 <Trip> Characters, yes.
20:22 * Dunc changes topic to 'Legacy Chat: What do you like best about it?.'
20:22 <Horsey> sorry dunc
20:22 <RF> ...
20:22 <Horsey> It got them to shut up though
20:22 <Trip> I cannot choose which.
20:22 <Horsey> :D
20:22 * Dunc sighs
20:23 <Typo> I think we've seen one of the better casts in SW at the moment in Legacy.
20:23 <Ulicus> I like the New Galactic Empire
20:23 <Trip> Well, Roan, obvoiusly.
20:23 <Trip> But the rest are great as well.
20:23 <Jello> Second*
20:23 <Ulicus> and I like Cade and his crew as bounty hunters. I hope they can get back to that at some point
20:23 <Dunc> I like that it's kind of a 'Rocks fall, everyone dies' reboot on the EU as a whole.
20:23 <Horsey> My favorite part is that Cade isn't a straight laced, perfect Jedi
20:23 <Trip> I like that it's a reboot without the reboot.
20:23 <Dunc> WITHOUT wiping out the previous canon
20:23 <Jello> So in other words, he's like all the other Jedi.
20:24 <Trip> Exactly.
20:24 <Trip> @ dunc
20:24 <Typo> I agree, Horsey, but I also like the straight laced Jedi, as well.
20:24 <Trip> You've got Shado for that.
20:24 <Typo> Wolf and Shado Vao are both awesome.
20:24 <Ulicus> I like that it meant Blackman couldn't butcher a "the last Skywalker" concept in game form
20:24 <Horsey> yes they are
20:24 <Typo> And K'kruhk is cool too, of course.
20:24 <Havac> Wolf and Shado are bloody awesome.
20:24 <LordHydronium> I like seeing the broad scope of where the galaxy is in this time frame.
20:24 <Trip> Wolf's kind of iffy for me.
20:24 <Trip> I dunno why.
20:24 <Trip> But Shado is awesome.
20:24 <Typo> I like one arm.
20:24 <LordHydronium> All these glimpses of all sorts of aspects.
20:24 <sabarte> Krukh needs to die
20:24 <Trip> "If Cade should go dark..."
20:24 <Trip> "I'll kill him.
20:25 <Havac> Wolf is like Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan crossed.
20:25 <Trip> " :|
20:25 <Havac> Shado is just badass.
20:25 <Typo> On the flip side, I also like Nihl.
20:25 <Havac> "I'll hunt the Sith."
20:25 <Jello> I'd like to see more of the wider galaxy.
20:25 <Trip> The Sith are all great.
20:25 <LordHydronium> That was probably the most incoherent thing I've said in a while.
20:25 <Jello> And by that, I mean the Core.
20:25 <Typo> Talon I've grown tired of, already, but I enjoy Nihl a great deal.
20:25 <Jello> More regular people.
20:25 <LordHydronium> What Jello said. But more than the Core. :P
20:25 <Ulicus> THe Sith are great except for the dire names
20:25 <Jello> An idea of how they feel.
20:25 * Rohniss has joined #EU
20:25 * ChanServ sets mode: +o Rohniss
20:26 <Ulicus> and... well, I'm not a fan of them all being redtats.
20:26 <Jello> We still don't know what the average person thinks of the whole usurpation deal.
20:26 <Trip> I like how everyone figured Nihl was angling for a takeover.
20:26 <Trip> And it turns out he just wuvs Krayt.
20:26 <sabarte> I dunno if that'll last :P
20:26 <Typo> I still think he's angling for a take over.
20:26 <Trip> Eventually, sure.
20:26 <sabarte> I agree with Typo. He feels marginalized
20:26 <Trip> He'll get all angsty and cut himself.
20:26 <Dunc> He's biding his time.
20:26 <sabarte> Also, Talon's stupid :P
20:26 <Trip> And ask why Krayt doesn't love him like the others.
20:26 <Ulicus> I think... Cade and Talon are going to hook up
20:27 <Jello> I thought the good happy new Sith didn't do that anymore.
20:27 * Dunc snorts
20:27 <Trip> And then he'll get all cold and distant.
20:27 <Ulicus> (i've said that in the eurochat already)
20:27 <Trip> And be like, "well fine."
20:27 <Dunc> fanboy just wants a Talon sex scene
20:27 <Trip> "I'm gonna take what's mine!"
20:27 <Ulicus> not so
20:27 <RF> No.
20:27 <Jello> I want to see Talon redeemed
20:27 <Jello> and become a Jedi nun
20:27 <RF> Yes.
20:27 <Jello> wearing actual clothes
20:27 <Typo> I want her to die.
20:27 <RF> Exactly.
20:27 <Jello> That would be hilarious.
20:27 <Dunc> I find Talon completely uninteresting.
20:27 <Trip> Yes!
20:27 <RF> It'd be kriffing unexpected.
20:27 <Trip> @ Jello
20:27 <Typo> So do I.
20:27 <Ulicus> She could become Darth Clotheson
20:27 <Dunc> She looks cool, but... that's it.
20:27 <LordHydronium> Talon needs to wear a decent outfit. In general.
20:27 <Jello> Yes!
20:27 <Trip> Talon must be approached with hilarity.
20:27 <Havac> I want Talon to die. Just die.
20:27 <Jello> She becomes the new Jocasta Nu
20:28 <Havac> Or to marry Shado, as predicted by Cade.
20:28 <RF> Ew...
20:28 <Jello> a nun librarian lady
20:28 <Trip> Uh no you din'!
20:28 <Dunc> Okay, you're getting wacky again
20:28 <LordHydronium> Their kids would be purple!
20:28 <Dunc> What issue was the first that really clicked for you?
20:28 <Ulicus> Sweet!
20:28 <Jello> #2
20:28 <Havac> 0.
20:28 * Dunc changes topic to 'Legacy Chat: What issue was the first that really clicked for you?.'
20:28 <Trip> #11
20:28 <Jello> I didn't like 0 at all
20:28 <Jello> and detested the first one
20:28 <Dunc> Mine was 9 or 10.
20:28 <LordHydronium> 7 was where I truly hopped onboard.
20:28 <Dunc> The one where we got Morrigan's backstory
20:29 <Trip> Actually, I think it was the cover for #13.
20:29 * Dunc is a sucker for Skywalker dynasty crap.
20:29 <Havac> I was sold before I ever picked an issue up . . . and reading Broken blew my mind.
20:29 <LordHydronium> After I read the whole Broken arc in order.
20:29 * Kypt has joined #EU
20:29 <Typo> I think I was already 'clicked' in by 4. Even as a filler, it seemd like things were just fitting together well.
20:29 <Trip> I remember asking my sister, "do we love Roan?"
20:29 <LordHydronium> Rather, especially after.
20:29 <Trip> And the answer was yes, yes we do.
20:29 <RF> Why "we"?
20:29 <LordHydronium> You and your sister have a group mind? ;)
20:29 <RF> Yeah...
20:29 <Havac> JOINERS!
20:29 <Trip> UnuTrip
20:30 <RF> Hold the bughugging jokes.
20:30 <Jello> You know.
20:30 <Dunc> I was reading up to that point, but I wasn't particularly invested
20:30 <Jello> I still have never read #4
20:30 <Dunc> It seemed a lot of fanboy wish fufillment before that
20:30 <Dunc> You're not missing much
20:30 <Jello> That's what I thought in the original announcement.
20:30 <RF> Really, I think that's the big danger to Legacy.
20:30 <RF> Fanservice.
20:30 <Jello> When it was first announced I thought Legacy was the biggest load of crap ever.
20:30 <Havac> HAT!
20:30 <Jello> Thankfully it wasn't.
20:30 <RF> We've already seen a bit of it with K'kruhky.
20:30 <Trip> Krukhie is my only concern in that department.
20:30 <Jello> But yes, it still has a good deal of fanservice.
20:30 <Typo> Agreed.
20:31 <Albireo> Too much of it.
20:31 <Jello> Now, the good kind of fanservice would be fixing continuity holes.
20:31 <sabarte> Krukh, as I said, needs to die :P
20:31 <Dunc> That's the biggest danger for DH as a whole
20:31 <Typo> But I think I'll be less meh about K'kruhk if he shows in LotF.
20:31 <Dunc> *cancelling Tales*
20:31 <Jello> I wish they'd do more of *that* kind of fanservice.
20:31 <Jello> Rather than, you know, random Hat/Kyle/Waru type fanservice.
20:31 <Jello> Which we don't need.
20:31 <Trip> Yeah.
20:31 <RF> Well, fanservice usually refers to just the gratuitous stuff.
20:31 <Havac> K'Kruhk, bot be fair, makes sense.
20:31 <Jello> Yes, but we're kind of a small demographic though.
20:31 <Albireo> How?
20:31 <RF> Fixing continuity is just plain good business.
20:31 <Havac> John and Jan don't do that level of stuff just for the hell of it.
20:31 <Jello> So continuity stuff is also gratuitous... in a sense.
20:31 <Jello> You know?
20:31 <LordHydronium> Yeah, I have no problem with stuff that serves the story and pleases fans.
20:31 <RF> :p
20:32 <Trip> Hav, I still can't figure Krukhie.
20:32 <Jello> for example, making a Legacy handbook with a family tree would be *good* fanservice
20:32 <Trip> I'm still witholding judgement, but it's hard.
20:32 <Havac> I figure it has to come into play later.
20:32 <Typo> Yeah, K'kruhk was hinted to be around way back in the NEC.
20:32 <Albireo> K'Kruhk is there because A'Sharad is there.
20:33 <Trip> A'Sharad... now him, I don't mind.
20:33 <Jello> Artoo.
20:33 <Jello> Was he fanservice?
20:33 <Trip> Especially since it's not FANSERVICE! in the style that Krukhie seems.
20:33 <Albireo> Sure.
20:33 <Trip> No, Artoo was logical.
20:33 <Ulicus> Artoo being in was brilliant.
20:33 <LordHydronium> Artoo is a fixture of Star Wars.
20:33 <Typo> Right.
20:33 <Trip> I'm still holding out hope that Threepio's with the Fels...
20:33 <Typo> And they did well by setting him only in the background.
20:33 <Dunc> K'kruhk didn't bother me
20:33 <Trip> Poor guy deserves it.
20:34 <Havac> If Artoo is around, Threepio is around.
20:34 <sabarte> Krukh didn't bother me until we got Hett
20:34 <Dunc> Threepio, always the mindwipee, never the mindwiper.
20:34 <sabarte> Now he bothers me a lot
20:34 <Albireo> I think that C3P0 is the Chewbacca of Legacy.
20:34 <Ulicus> ...
20:34 <Dunc> Sabs: Maybe it's our different foci?
20:34 <Albireo> At some issue they will show us it's severed head.
20:34 <LordHydronium> sab: See, that's funny, I think Hett justifies K'Kruhk.
20:34 <Trip> I'm just bummered he isn't Krayt. :P
20:34 <LordHydronium> Who, Threepio?
20:34 <Dunc> I learned about K'kruhk from TFN. I never actually saw him in anything until Legacy
20:34 <Trip> Yeah.
20:35 <Typo> Aww.
20:35 <Typo> I saw K'kruhk long before, but I'm shocked he's lived that long.
20:35 <Trip> I've always wanted Threepio to grow a pair and get revenge on the Solos.
20:35 <Jello> I remember him from the CW cartoons
20:35 <Typo> Dude's died, what, three, four times?
20:35 <Dunc> oh, that too
20:35 <LordHydronium> "Begging your pardon, Master Fel, but might I usurp your throne?"
20:35 <Jello> I was sad that he serviced.
20:35 <Jello> *survived
20:35 <Dunc> But I didn't like, know his name or anything
20:35 <Jello> me neither
20:36 <Trip> I figure next best thing is he gets to hang out with genuine royalty.
20:36 <Trip> That have genuine class.
20:36 <Havac> I want the Noghri to get some bloody respect.
20:36 <Trip> Threepio'd shit his little robot pants if he got to serve an Emperor and his court.
20:36 <Albireo> Genuine royalty? The Fels?
20:36 <Havac> Yes.
20:36 <Albireo> Corellian farmers.
20:36 <Trip> Pssh... yah.
20:36 <Trip> Not anymore, they're not.
20:36 * Horsey sets mode: +v Kypt
20:36 <Trip> Plus, Alderaanian royalty...
20:37 <Horsey> sorry, Kypt
20:37 <Kypt> Most Kings ancestors were probably farmers or whatever
20:37 <Horsey> I dunno why none of the other 8 ops didn't voice you
20:37 <Trip> And Palpatine's right hand...
20:37 <Kypt> np
20:37 <Kypt> You're the only one who cares :)
20:37 <Trip> And Corellian royalty...
20:37 <Dunc> Famous flying ace!
20:37 <Typo> Horsey doesn't care.
20:37 * Horsey hugs Kypt
20:37 <Havac> Baron of the Empire!
20:37 <Typo> She left me voiceless for three quarters of a chat, once.
20:37 <Albireo> Traitor to the Empire.
20:37 <Horsey> I did not!
20:37 <Typo> You did too!
20:37 <Havac> The Empire betrayed Fel.
20:38 <Trip> You shut your mouth, Albireo. :|
20:38 <Trip> :P
20:38 <Havac> Isard is not the Empire.
20:38 <Trip> I've just finished getting over that.
20:38 <Typo> The Empire died with the Emperor.
20:38 <Trip> Don't go and make me doubt again.
20:38 <Jello> Albireo, please do not presume to speak on behalf of the Empire.
20:38 <Jello> Thank you.
20:38 <LordHydronium> It was weird, but issue 13 was the first moment when I felt "He's the freaking EMPEROR."
20:38 <Trip> Yes.
20:38 <LordHydronium> I mean, it registered intellectually before.
20:38 <Trip> Awesome issue.
20:38 <Jello> When he was dressing down the IK?
20:38 <LordHydronium> But that was the first time it really hit.
20:38 <Trip> Made better by Colin's art.
20:38 <Trip> #8, Jello.
20:39 <Havac> He's the first Emperor since Palpatine, OOU.
20:39 <Jello> Ah.
20:39 <Jello> That's right.
20:39 <Jello> 13 was the fight.
20:39 <Albireo> To the Empire now, Soontir is just an old pilot ace from decades past who betrayed the Empire and went to live with some blueskinned Aliens.
20:39 <Trip> Yeah.
20:39 <Jello> What about 13 made you see him as "the emperor" ?
20:39 <LordHydronium> The execution of the ship's crew.
20:39 <LordHydronium> It felt very...Imperial.
20:39 <Jello> Interesting.
20:39 <Jello> So he had to be ruthless, then?
20:39 <Trip> Actually, #13 is where I first saw him as Jedi-Emperor.
20:40 <LordHydronium> Ruthless, yes.
20:40 <Trip> He was Emperor from #3, for me.
20:40 <Jello> When he retook Bastion?
20:40 <Jello> Same here.
20:40 <Trip> Yeah.
20:40 <Jello> I liked how the stormies knelt.
20:40 <Trip> Yep
20:40 <Jello> More importantly, I like how he didn't hide behind his guards.
20:40 <Albireo> What happened to the nice and caring Empire that Roan Fel supposedly represents?
20:40 <Jello> It never was nice and caring.
20:40 <Jello> That was an illusion given from the promo material.
20:40 <Jello> People got upset about the "fanboy emperor" but he never was such.
20:41 <Albireo> Propaganda and apologists say otherwise.
20:41 <Ulicus> No they don't
20:41 <Jello> I am the Imperial apologist par excellence.
20:41 <Ulicus> I was just about to say that on your behalf :P
20:41 <Trip> Fel's Empire has always been pragmatic, efficient, ruthless.
20:41 <Trip> Just not evil or corrupt.
20:41 <Albireo> *Rolls eyes*
20:41 <Trip> But not evil =/= Fuzzy and Happy.
20:41 <Albireo> Ruthless equals Evil.
20:42 <Ulicus> Since when?
20:42 <Kypt> Wrong
20:42 <LordHydronium> No it doesn't.
20:42 <Trip> Absolutley not.
20:42 <Albireo> Yes it does.
20:42 * Dunc changes topic to 'Legacy Chat: The Empire.'
20:42 <Albireo> Especially for a Force user like Fell.
20:42 <Albireo> People have fallen to the Dark Side for lesser things than he has done.
20:43 <Jello> There's a difference between ruthlessness and expediency.
20:43 <Jello> Do not confuse the two.
20:43 <Albireo> Ruthless Force User = Darksider.
20:43 <Trip> Nope.
20:44 <Trip> Never has been that.
20:44 <Typo> Really?
20:44 <Albireo> If Jacen in LotF would do a similar act, how many would be ready to defend him like this?
20:44 <Kypt> That's only from the point of view of the Jedi
20:44 <Trip> The Jedi have been fairly ruthless in the past.
20:44 <Typo> So Mace was a darksider?
20:44 <LordHydronium> The dark side is about fear, anger, and hate.
20:44 <Trip> They've never gone Darkside as a whole.
20:44 <LordHydronium> How much mercy one exhibits has nothing to do with it.
20:44 <Typo> Because I've found myself going "Damn that was ruthless" when it comes to Mace, quite often.
20:44 <Albireo> Protestant view.
20:44 <Jello> The Jedi are tremendously ruthless.
20:44 <Jello> "I'm not here to free slaves"
20:45 <Jello> "Forget your mother and emotions"
20:45 <Albireo> Examples?
20:45 <Trip> They exterminated the Sith.
20:45 <Trip> All of them.
20:45 <Trip> The entire species.
20:45 <Trip> They slagged planets from orbit on multiple occasions to eliminate small groups of darksiders.
20:45 <Trip> They've got a history of tracking down and persecuting heretics.
20:45 <Albireo> Except that they didn't. And we do not know who did the actual genocide, the Jedi or normal Republic troops.
20:46 <Albireo> But there were Sith survivors.
20:46 <Trip> Yoda, in fact, led a campaign against Potentium heretics.
20:46 <Jello> Yes, and there are still Jews.
20:46 <Albireo> Peaceful campaign.
20:46 <Typo> Even if they didn't actually do the genocide, they sure didn't try to stop it.
20:46 <Jello> Guess Hitler isn't a genocidal maniac.
20:46 <Jello> Whooo, Godwin!
20:46 <Albireo> Do we know that?
20:46 <Jello> Argument from ignorance, Albireo.
20:47 <Albireo> Oh, the arrogance!
20:47 <Dunc> Okay, kids
20:47 <sabarte> Yeah, this is not useful here.
20:47 <Typo> Agreed.
20:47 <Dunc> New topic? It's someone else's turn
20:47 <Typo> Is Morrigan for real?
20:47 <sabarte> Vector?
20:47 * sabarte sighs.
20:48 * sabarte -dislikes- Morrigan.
20:48 <Dunc> Morrigan...
20:48 <Jello> High five!
20:48 <Havac> Morrigan? I'm meh on her, so far.
20:48 <Dunc> We don't really know enough about Vector yet. :(
20:48 <LordHydronium> Morrigan has awesome specs. B)
20:48 <Horsey> what do you mean by 'for read'?
20:48 <Dunc> I like her as a character.
20:48 <Typo> Is she really out to help Cade, out to help Calixte, or out to help herself?
20:48 <Havac> I haven't read the issues with her, but her role so far hasn't grabbed me.
20:48 <Dunc> But I wish they'd picked a less obvious name
20:48 <Albireo> She is a stereotypical character, but as stereotypical characters go, pretty good.
20:49 <sabarte> She looks too young
20:49 * Jello changes topic to 'Legacy chat: Morrigan.'
20:49 <Havac> I think it would be interesting if we had a Skywalker with an amoral mom.
20:49 <Havac> A little blot on the family tree.
20:49 <Dunc> She does look too young
20:49 <Typo> I'm hoping that we do have one that is amoral.
20:49 <Havac> But, I just don't think Kol's judgment would be that poor.
20:49 <Dunc> Those outfits... again the fanservice
20:49 <Albireo> I think she is both out to help Cade and readyto help Calixte as long as that doesn't hurt Cade.
20:49 <sabarte> and augh, anime hair.
20:49 <Typo> Why so loyal to Calixte, though?
20:49 * sabarte is still rooting for Callixte
20:49 <Horsey> we can't judge age on pictures with SW, we've known this for awhile now
20:50 <Havac> Why would anyone be loyal to Calixte?
20:50 <sabarte> Because Callixte is awesome! :P
20:50 <Trip> She actually looks her age in the most recent.
20:50 <Jello> If by awesome you mean traitorous whore, then yes, she's awesome.
20:50 <Albireo> She looks more like her age in the latest issue. And the clothes come with the job. Distract the poor, stupid men etc.
20:50 <Trip> Looks like a forty-fifty-something who refuses to age gracrefully. :P
20:50 * Dunc changes topic to 'Legacy chat: Imperial lasies: Callixte, Morrigan, etc..'
20:50 * sabarte :ps at Jello
20:51 <Albireo> She has probably common past with Calixte. Perhaps she owes Calixte something, like her life.
20:51 <sabarte> Maybe Callixte is also her mom :P
20:51 * sabarte ducks
20:51 <Dunc> I'm intrigued by the whole retirement thing
20:51 * Havac changes topic to 'Legacy chat: Imperial ladies: Calixte, Morrigan, etc. | Dunc's spelling sucks..'
20:51 <Trip> Nyna and Morlish continue to be hilarious.
20:51 <Dunc> :P
20:51 <Albireo> Too old?
20:51 <LordHydronium> sab: That would mean we can't have Cade with a Gunn.
20:51 <Dunc> Morlish is such an ass.
20:51 <sabarte> Yeah, Nyna, Morlish, and the other moffs are my favorite...
20:51 <LordHydronium> (To borrow Jello's phrase)
20:51 <Albireo> Why not?
20:51 <Trip> He's a hilarous ass.
20:52 <RF> He likes to hold Mofferences... in his pants.
20:52 <Trip> Even last issue, with barely three panels.
20:52 <Havac> The funniest thing about Veed is Chuck's man-crush on him.
20:52 <Trip> That frame of him rolling back over and grumbling to himself still has me amused.
20:52 <Trip> And his little tatoo... awwwww
20:52 <Typo> I don't think he's actually getting any.
20:52 <Jello> C19 still likes him?
20:53 <Typo> He's one of those guys that boasts about all of his 'exploits', but doesn't have any.
20:53 <Typo> He probably gets shut down like that often.
20:53 <Havac> I still want to know what ship that tattoo is for.
20:53 <Trip> Nyna just 'lets' him go down on her.
20:53 <Jello> The question is then.
20:53 <Jello> How did he become a moff and "grand admiral" ?
20:53 <Jello> One would imagine that there is some requisite amount of talent that's commensurate with the job, yes?
20:53 <Typo> Yeah, he's holding two completely seperate positions.
20:54 <LordHydronium> Political appointment, like Grant and Il-Raz?
20:54 <LordHydronium> Oh, you mean how'd he become both.
20:54 <Horsey> not really Jello, if Nyna is the one pulling the strings
20:54 <Havac> He seems militarily competent, just not politically intelligent.
20:54 <LordHydronium> Oh, you didn't mean that.
20:54 <Jello> The Fels don't seem to encourage bootlicking.
20:54 <Horsey> sometimes its better to be the one behind the scenes and have a puppet
20:54 <Albireo> Veed might just "get" Callixte, but what about Roan? When is the last time he had female company in his imperial bed? Has he problems in that department?
20:54 <Trip> I'm thinking maybe Grand Admiral was made the same post as High Moff after Pelly croaked and Soontir took the throne.
20:54 <Jello> Yes, but why would she want him?
20:54 <Horsey> because he's controllable
20:55 <Horsey> She wants to be in charge, but can't be the front runner
20:55 <Dunc> Al: that's another thing
20:55 <Horsey> for a variety of sexist reasons
20:55 <Jello> Seems too convenient after the fact, though.
20:55 <Trip> Morlish = Gnaeus
20:55 <Dunc> Who/where is Sia's mother?
20:55 <Dunc> I wants to know!
20:55 <Kypt> Especialy if the moffs are uncomfortable with Sia inheriting
20:55 <Trip> Sia, like all disney princess, does not have a mother.
20:55 <Jello> Pompey was better with the women.
20:55 <Horsey> I do too, dunc!
20:55 <Jello> I want to know why they don't even mention her
20:55 <Trip> *princesses
20:55 <Typo> lol. Morrigan should be Sia's mom.
20:55 <Havac> I want to know the Imperial Descent too.
20:55 <Jello> i.e. "You're like your mother" or "I miss your mother"
20:55 <Horsey> I thought about that Typo
20:55 <Jello> But there's not even the vaguest reference.
20:56 <Jello> oh!!!
20:56 <LordHydronium> Hey, we've learned Cade's and Gunn's, two with originally unmentioned mums. I suspect Sia's is coming at some point.
20:56 <Trip> We haven't even seen Roan and Sia in the same room yet, to be fair.
20:56 <Jello> Sia sprung fully armed from Roan's head.
20:56 <Kypt> Maybe she's in disgrace?
20:56 <Jello> :-)
20:56 <LordHydronium> Roan...is Sia! O_O
20:56 <LordHydronium> Oh, that's not what you meant. :P
20:56 <Trip> There's been very little Daddy/Sia time.
20:56 <Havac> Mohrgan was a nice touch. We need more of the Imperial family.
20:56 <Horsey> uh Trip there is a war going on
20:56 <Jello> Technically a cousin would not be a member of the Imperial Family.
20:56 <Kypt> Was Mohrgan a Brother or cousin?
20:56 <Dunc> Also, that whole thing from #0 with the Moffs not approving of Sia as heir?
20:56 <Kypt> nm
20:56 <LordHydronium> Cousin.
20:57 <Trip> Horsey, hm?
20:57 <Albireo> We don't know the rules of the Fel dynasty in who is part of the Imperial family.
20:57 <Kypt> So maybe Roans got an aunt or uncle around somewhere
20:57 <Horsey> you said there's very little Daddy/Sia time. Why would there be in the middle of a fight?
20:57 <Trip> There wouldn't...
20:57 <Havac> Sia actually hasn't gotten a ton of face time -- she may not be as important a character, overall, as was assumed.
20:57 <Jello> I disagree.
20:57 <LordHydronium> Of couse you do. :P
20:57 <Jello> Remember Cade's comment about her?
20:57 <LordHydronium> *course
20:57 <Dunc> Hopefully we get a Sia plot soon. :P
20:57 <Jello> Not until after this arc is over, at least.
20:57 <Trip> There just hasn't been anywhere for her to logically appear yet.
20:58 <Jello> Yes, that's what Randy said, IIRC.
20:58 <Trip> I'd rather have to wait then have her rescue Cade or something silly.
20:58 <Havac> Sia is probably the Legacy main character I'm least interested in.
20:58 <Albireo> Marasiah's mother probably will have some function. I expect her to have been a Hapan princess.
20:58 <Jello> why Hapan?
20:58 <Trip> Tagge, dammit.
20:58 <Havac> No, a Pallopides.
20:58 <Trip> Or that, sure.
20:59 <Albireo> Marasiah has potential.
20:59 <Jello> I'd be fine for her to be an "invented" noble rather than a Hapan. I don't like how the Hapans are the filler royalty of SW.
20:59 <LordHydronium> Havac took mine. :P
20:59 <Trip> Although I'd rather Roan's momma be a pallopides.
20:59 <Jello> Whenever someone needs a royal, it's always a Hapan.
20:59 <Havac> And I want Ken Palpatine to show up *somewhere*.
20:59 <Jello> But yes, this would be an example of "good" fanservice.
20:59 <Havac> We need him resolved.
20:59 <Trip> Hapans are a bunch of loser hick pirate inbreds.
20:59 <LordHydronium> Dammit, he took that too! :P
20:59 <Typo> They have so many nobles, do they even have regular people there?
20:59 <Jello> A Tagge or Pallopides, that is.
20:59 <LordHydronium> Stop stealing ideas from my head, Havac!
20:59 <Dunc> I always though a Hapan husband would be a good solution for the Sia thing
20:59 <Jello> Why?
20:59 <Jello> :-p
20:59 <Albireo> Why Hapan? To bring all the Skywalker lineages together.
21:00 <Typo> Ewwwww.
21:00 <Dunc> He wouldn't be as power hungry + alliance with an independent power
21:00 <Jello> If Allana inherits.
21:00 <Dunc> Assuming Hapes is still indy
21:00 <Trip> They're "neutral"
21:00 <Albireo> Sia would be a descendant of both Solo kids and would get together with Cade.
21:00 <LordHydronium> It was neutral during the war.
21:00 <LordHydronium> Or is neutral, yeah.
21:00 <Jello> Since that's not resolved, it wouldn't happen any time soon because of their "no LotF stuff" rule.
21:00 <Dunc> Yeah
21:01 <Trip> Which makes me think...
21:01 <Trip> What of the Chiss?
21:01 <Albireo> And with Ossus only option where Cade could have ran.
21:01 <Dunc> We'll learn nothing until after LOTF
21:01 <Jello> That's why I'd prefer some character unaffliated with LotF events. That way we'd be able to get something, at least on a mom.
21:01 <LordHydronium> Should that be our next topic? Legacy/LotF and other Del Rey stuff?
21:01 <Jello> The ancestry though, heh, we're not getting that for a looooong time.
21:01 <Jello> :-(
21:01 <Trip> Next summer.
21:01 <Trip> Not too far off.
21:01 <Dunc> Hydro - might be best to save that for later
21:01 <Jello> That's a long time.
21:01 <Albireo> There is no need to reveal the background of mother until after LotF.
21:01 <Horsey> There's a Chiss moff
21:02 <Trip> Which implies the Chiss are part of the Empire.
21:02 <Trip> Except it's also implied that they're independent.
21:02 <Dunc> Some of them, at least
21:02 <LordHydronium> The Chiss Moff is awesome.
21:02 <Havac> Yet the Ascendancy still exists . . .
21:02 <Trip> I'm hoping self-ruling fiefdom.
21:02 <LordHydronium> He's all deceptive and shit.
21:02 <Havac> We need some kind of resolution of the EOTH, dammit.
21:02 <Jello> simple solution to the Chiss.
21:02 <Albireo> If they are, they would still be very autonomous part of the Empire based on the talk the Moffs had.
21:02 <Trip> Basically, I just really hope Soontir dragged those blue losers into the Empire
21:02 <Jello> He'd be like a French congressman.
21:03 <Jello> He's an Imperial citizen, but people would naturally ask him what "his people" are doing.
21:03 <Albireo> This Chiss could well represent E.
21:03 <Albireo> *EotH*
21:03 <Kypt> Isn't the whole Fel family in disgrace with the Chiss though, or is it just Jag?
21:03 <Havac> We shouldn't want anything in the Empire resembling the French, thanks.
21:03 <Typo> The whole Fel family is out, at the moment.
21:03 <Trip> The whole family, although Jag is the only one exiled.
21:03 <Typo> Or so Jag says.
21:03 <LordHydronium> I wonder where the IKs are/were headquartered.
21:03 <Trip> The Fel family is just in disgrace.
21:03 <Albireo> Whole family.
21:04 <Albireo> Racist.
21:04 <LordHydronium> Do they have their own Jedi-style order, are they just a part of the Imperial military, what?
21:04 <Jello> Hav - too late.
21:04 <Trip> I wonder how many IKs there are.
21:04 <Jello> There's a First and Second Empire.
21:04 * Dunc changes topic to 'Legacy chat: Imperial Knights.'
21:04 <Trip> I'm hoping more than 12.
21:04 <Horsey> I love the Imperial Knights
21:04 <Albireo> Half a dozen alive, probably.
21:04 <Havac> It'd be awesome if the IKs had their own olds-school-Empire-style fortress world.
21:04 <Kypt> They seem to be more of a personal guard than an order though
21:04 <Trip> I'd like them more if Antares and Ganner weren't the two stooges. :P
21:04 <Horsey> I like the idea of them, I can't wait to read more about Ganner and Antares
21:04 <Jello> They could have that one world.
21:04 <Dunc> I think it's most likely they are their own complete order, without military rank
21:04 <Havac> But as Randy's established there are only about a dozen -- that's not that likely.
21:04 <Typo> They need a third stooge.
21:05 <LordHydronium> Bah, you only dislike Ganner by association.
21:05 <Dunc> A dozen *now*
21:05 <Albireo> Ganner is fated to have a sorry end.
21:05 <Trip> He didn't establish that, did he?
21:05 <Jello> Yinchorr.
21:05 <Jello> That would be fine.
21:05 <LordHydronium> Save your disdain for Antares. :P
21:05 <Trip> Just said that was originally how many there are.
21:05 <Jello> Randy has?
21:05 <Jello> When?
21:05 <Dunc> Has he?
21:05 <Havac> Before the usurpation.
21:05 <Albireo> Yes.
21:05 <Dunc> huh
21:05 <Jello> When, where, and in what context?
21:05 <Havac> He's said that the ones we've seen may be the only ones.
21:05 <Jello> Ah.
21:05 <Trip> No, no, by "originally" I mean "back when they were planning."
21:05 <Havac> DH boards.
21:05 <Trip> It might not still be like that.
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21:06 <Albireo> I hope it is.
21:06 <Jello> Well, that doesn't tell us much.
21:06 <Jello> That's typical obfuscation.
21:06 <Trip> He was speculating, basically, based on the original concept.
21:06 <Jello> I wouldn't set much store by it.
21:06 * Horsey sets mode: +v Broox_
21:06 <Trip> We still have no idea what John now has planned.
21:06 <Trip> Jello-- A'Sharad and Company have Yinchorr.
21:06 <Albireo> There more of them there is, the harder it is to get rid of them.
21:06 <Jello> source?
21:06 <Trip> #4
21:07 <Jello> Dammit.
21:07 <Trip> :D
21:07 <Jello> I need to get that one.
21:07 <Jello> I can't stand the name of the issue.
21:07 <Kypt> Doesn't mean they didn't have it before the usurption
21:07 <Trip> It'll be in the next TPB
21:07 <Kypt> The IK's
21:07 <LordHydronium> Which has my favorite Hughes cover.
21:07 <Albireo> I like it: All Fel loyalists died. A happy ending.
21:07 * Trip squints at Albireo
21:08 <Trip> Rouge??
21:08 <Trip> :P
21:08 <Albireo> Who?
21:08 <Havac> You're stealing his lines.
21:08 <Albireo> I am?
21:09 <Albireo> Time to be more original then...
21:09 <Trip> He's the Lit board's resident Fel-detractor. :P
21:09 <Albireo> So no Fel bashing?
21:09 <Horsey> C19 isn't a fan of Fel either though
21:09 <Albireo> What else?
21:09 <Trip> No, Fel bashing is fine.
21:09 <Trip> You just reminded me of him.
21:10 <Albireo> That doesn't sound good.
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21:10 <Typo> Just ignore Trip, he doesn't know anything.
21:10 <Trip> It was a joke... I regularly accuse people of being socks.
21:11 <LordHydronium> Uh-oh.
21:11 <Trip> Didn't mean anything by it. :P
21:11 <LordHydronium> Trip killed the chat.
21:11 <Horsey> good job, Trip, you killed the chat
21:11 * Horsey squints at Trip
21:11 <Horsey> dgx?
21:12 <Trip> No, no soy dgx.
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21:12 <Horsey> lol
21:12 <Jello> ...
21:12 <Havac> Aaaah!
21:12 <Horsey> ok so back to the Fel bashing
21:12 <Havac> :p
21:12 <Trip> Charles! Quick, start something.
21:12 * Horsey glares at Hav
21:12 <Trip> Suck the awskwardness out of this chat.
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21:12 <Dunc> Topic suggestions?
21:12 * Jello sets mode: +v Charlemagne19
21:12 <Jello> I know I'll regret that.
21:12 <Charlemagne19> So, will Roan Fel make it to the end of the series or will he die and force his daughter to take over ala Bail Organa
21:12 <Jello> :-p
21:13 <Trip> There we go.
21:13 <Charlemagne19> Thanks GAJ
21:13 <Jello> I'm unsure of either option.
21:13 <Charlemagne19> Roan Fel on Bastion: OH CRAP! SUPPERLASEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
21:13 <Havac> I don't think we've seen enough to tell.
21:13 <Charlemagne19> *BOOM*
21:13 <Horsey> darn you Jello, I was trying to force Hav to do that
21:13 <Jello> Why? :-p
21:13 <Charlemagne19> Now, Lisa, that would be impossible.
21:13 * Horsey was kicked by Havac (Bah!.)
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21:13 <Havac> Nick!
21:13 <Charlemagne19> Havac and I are anti-matter to matter
21:13 <Trip> I think, if Roan dies, it'll be a year or so from now.
21:14 * Dunc sets mode: +v AdmiralNick
21:14 <Albireo> Marasiah either takes over at some point or leaves his father's side to join the Jedi.
21:14 <Trip> Year or more, I mean.
21:14 <AdmiralNick> Hello All
21:14 <Trip> He needs more development before going out.
21:14 <AdmiralNick> Anyone else looking forward to #20? ;-)
21:14 <Trip> Howdy, Nick.
21:14 <Havac> I don't think we've seen enough to know where Sia will be going.
21:14 <Trip> Of course.
21:14 <LordHydronium> Nick is the sign of what our next topic should be. ;)
21:14 <Havac> Nick: Hell yes.
21:14 <Kypt> I'm still looking forward to #14 :(
21:14 <Jello> They had best swap the laser colors.
21:14 <Jello> Eh? 14 hasn't come out there yet?