Chat for Legacy of the Force: Fury
Sunday, December 2nd, 2007 / #eu on irc.holonet.org

20:07 <Horsey> Can we start talking about Fury?
20:08 <LI> I've got it fresh in my memory after reading, excellent book.
20:08 <Dunc> What did everyone think?
20:08 <Horsey> I loved it!
20:08 <LI> Best one in the series so far.
20:08 <Kobe> awesome book
20:08 <Havac> I liked it.
20:08 <Horsey> I think Allston did a good job of using the next gen characters
20:08 <Horsey> It gives me hope for the future
20:08 <Havac> Yeah, the use of Valin was great.
20:08 <LI> And Kyle.
20:08 <Horsey> and Syal
20:09 <Havac> Allston impresses me more and more.
20:09 <Havac> I really want to see him write more.
20:09 <LI> I'll admit I was slightly bored by his first two books in this series, but the third really did it for me.
20:09 <LI> It finally feels like when he wrote the X-wing books.
20:09 <Horsey> You were bored with Exile?
20:09 <LI> A little.
20:09 <LI> Something just felt off.
20:09 <Horsey> That book was hilarious!
20:09 <LI> I'm not sure what it was, but I had trouble connecting with it.
20:10 <Havac> I loved both Betrayal and Exile.
20:10 <LI> Same with Betrayal.
20:10 <Havac> Tempest is probably the book I least connected with.
20:10 <Horsey> I love Allston's sense of humor
20:10 <Horsey> and I agree with Hav about Tempest
20:10 <LI> I'll agree that they were excellent, it just didn't feel like Allston, that's what I think the problem was for me.
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20:10 <Kyptastic> Tempest felt more like a standalone in some ways
20:10 <Havac> I don't know . . . Allston is versatile.
20:11 <Havac> He's capable of various feels.
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20:11 <LI> I'm not sure how to describe it, it just felt a little...forced before. Like he was following a strict plotline.
20:11 <Horsey> feel better dunc?
20:11 <Dunc> a little
20:11 <Dunc> i mostly feel guilty
20:11 <Havac> I feel innocent.
20:11 <Horsey> we'll be ok
20:12 <Horsey> Hav feels muscular
20:12 <Havac> Stop touching me.
20:12 <RF> ...
20:12 <Horsey> anyways
20:12 <Horsey> Who else really liked Valin?
20:12 <LI> Me!
20:12 <Horsey> I'm totally in love with this character and want to see more
20:12 <LI> He actually did something this time.
20:12 <Horsey> (not in love with in the same way that I'm in love with Corran)
20:12 <Havac> We need Allston to write a Valin book.
20:12 <Horsey> we do
20:12 <Havac> Just I, Jedi it.
20:12 <LI> We need Allston to write more books in general.
20:13 <LI> YES!
20:13 <LI> One of my all-time favorite books.
20:13 <rrs> I, Jedi, Jr.
20:13 <LI> First-person was excellent.
20:13 <Dunc> NO I, Jedi.
20:13 <Horsey> The line he said to Jacen was awesome
20:13 <Dunc> First person is bad baddy bad.
20:13 <Dunc> Jacen is such a nutcase
20:13 <Havac> First person is awesome.
20:13 <LI> Agreed.
20:13 <Havac> Makes me feel all noirish.
20:13 <Dunc> I now ship Jacen Solo/Cersai Lannister
20:14 <Havac> I ship using UPS.
20:14 <Dunc> ...No one here will get that.
20:14 <Horsey> I don't get it
20:14 <Havac> I know it's a SOIAF reference.
20:14 <Havac> Or whatever that series is called.
20:14 <LI> SOIAF?
20:14 <Kyptastic> Yep
20:15 <Havac> Song of Ice and Fire. The George R. R. Martin series.
20:15 <Dunc> Song of Ice and Fire, the GRR Martin books
20:15 <Kyptastic> They'd suit each other pretty well
20:15 <Dunc> She's basically Jacen in a skirt.
20:15 <LI> Ah, thanks.
20:15 <Dunc> Well, Darth Caedus.
20:15 <LI> I thought you meant Service-oriented architecture implementation framework.
20:15 <Havac> I don't think Jacen could get along with another Jacen.
20:15 <Dunc> Laughably incompetent.
20:15 <Horsey> call him Jacen, less letters to type
20:15 <LI> No, he wouldn't. Insane people don't usually get along.
20:16 <LI> Am I the only one who thinks Jacen's levels of insanity and competence vary between writers?
20:16 <Horsey> yes
20:16 <Dunc> Anyway, I wonder why Niathal still puts up with him... I suppose Traviss will explore that
20:16 <Horsey> Jacen is insane and incompetent from all authors
20:16 <Dunc> That's the EU for ya.
20:17 <LI> I just thought he seemed slightly more competent in Bloodlines and Sacrifice.
20:17 <Dunc> He's in his downward spiral
20:17 <Havac> I agree Jacen's characterizations change slightly.
20:17 <Horsey> You could say that he's getting worse
20:17 <Havac> But it's also that his character itself is changing.
20:17 <Dunc> It only makes sense he's losing it more each book
20:17 <Havac> He's losing it.
20:17 <Horsey> The dark side corrupts, et all
20:17 <LI> Unanimous.
20:18 <Dunc> indeed
20:18 <LI> He's definitely losing it, if he hasn't lost it already.
20:18 <Horsey> Why do you think Han was written to be afraid of Allana at the end as a grandpa?
20:18 <Havac> He hasn't. Not mentally. In terms of being completely under the influence of the dark side, yeah, he's given in all the way.
20:18 <Horsey> afraid might be the wrong word
20:18 <Horsey> but he had kids and was a good dad
20:18 <Havac> He was . . . nervous.
20:19 <Dunc> Shocked
20:19 <LI> Surprised.
20:19 <LI> Stunned.
20:19 <Dunc> 'The kid had sex?!?'
20:19 <Havac> He had no idea she was his grandkid, he was shocked, he didn't know what was going on.
20:19 <Horsey> lol
20:19 <LI> I like that one.
20:19 <Havac> And it's the grandkid from the kid he just disowned.
20:19 <LI> That too.
20:19 <Havac> As much as anything else, I think that threw him.
20:19 <Jello> decessi
20:19 <Jello> Ah, yes, the Fury chat. Hm.
20:19 <LI> And a lot of things about Tenel Ka's reaction to Jacen's fall probably make sense now to them too.
20:20 <Horsey> English, jiggley one
20:20 <Jello> "I have arrived/returned" (in the proclamatory sense)
20:20 <Dunc> Yes, yes..
20:20 <LI> Better than the closest English word.
20:20 <Dunc> So. Allana.
20:20 <Dunc> What do we think?
20:21 <LI> Care to clarify?
20:21 <Horsey> Do you think she's going to be stuck with Luke's Jedi group now?
20:21 <Kobe> so speaking of people with kids
20:21 <Horsey> She'd be safer there
20:21 <LI> Agreed.
20:21 <LI> Anywhere would be safer than that floating intrustion-magnet.
20:21 <LI> *intrusion
20:21 <rrs> I'm just happy she's not saying, "Yedi," and "Yacen" anymore
20:21 <LI> Yay!
20:21 <Horsey> Well Jacen already took her away from Hapes
20:21 <Kobe> Lando a father
20:21 <Dunc> It would certainly keep the Jedi safer. Or maybe not.
20:21 <Horsey> so she can't go back
20:21 <LI> Hapes is probably out of the question.
20:21 <Horsey> It would keep them safer as far as weapons of mass destruction
20:22 <LI> Anywhere Jacen knows would be out of the question at this point.
20:22 <LI> ....The Maw?
20:22 <Dunc> No...
20:22 <Dunc> Too KJA
20:22 <Kyptastic> He knows the Maw
20:22 <Horsey> lol
20:22 <Kyptastic> Allston used it
20:23 <Kyptastic> In EL
20:23 <LI> Where else do you hide someone from a revenge-bound Dark Lord of the Sith?
20:23 <Dunc> Dagobah!
20:23 <Dunc> Honestly, I have no idea
20:23 <LI> Indeed, anywhere is dangerous for them, given his level of obsession.
20:23 <Kobe> Zonama Sekot?
20:23 <LI> If they can find it first.
20:24 <Kobe> don't they still have people there?
20:24 <Horsey> I think Luke will use less populated worlds
20:24 <Horsey> because he doesn't want to endanger anyone else
20:24 <LI> Tahiri knows where it is, ZS is out of the question.
20:24 <Horsey> They need to get that girl away from Jacen
20:24 <Kobe> but it can move
20:24 <Horsey> or she's going to end up dead
20:24 <LI> Jacen knows Sekot too.
20:25 <LI> He could probably whatever-link with it and find it.
20:25 <Dunc> Maybe she'll stay with Han and Leia on the Falcon?
20:25 <Horsey> I could see that
20:25 <LI> Best idea yet.
20:25 <Dunc> It'd keep Jacen from shooting them again.
20:25 <LI> The only safe way to go.
20:25 <Horsey> Perhaps Uncle Jag will be on the Falcon too
20:25 <LI> It's always on the move, too.
20:25 <LI> Haha! Yes!
20:25 <Horsey> as her personal body guard
20:25 <Dunc> Jagged Fel, Nanny
20:25 <Horsey> lol
20:25 <LI> *Snort*
20:26 <LI> Jagged Fel, Co-pilot/Nanny
20:26 <Dunc> Zekk and Jag. Armed mannies on the go.
20:26 <LI> Excellent!
20:26 <Havac> Pfft. Put her on the Venture.
20:26 <Horsey> Just stick her with R2 and 3PO, those droids can't die so she'll be safe
20:26 <Dunc> While Jaina goes to MandoLand. :P
20:26 <LI> The Venture won't work.
20:26 <LI> Too risky.
20:26 <LI> Jacen could take it with ease.
20:27 <Havac> It's mobile and usually full of Jedi.
20:27 <LI> Never stopped him before.
20:27 <Havac> And kickass pilots.
20:27 <Horsey> Plus a few Antilles
20:27 <Dunc> Too big
20:27 <LI> He's insane enough to try it.
20:27 <Dunc> Easy to find.
20:27 <LI> Too slow, too.
20:27 <LI> Agreed, easy to track.
20:27 <Dunc> The falcon can be more inconspicious
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20:27 <Havac> It's in a massive galaxy, Dunc.
20:27 <LI> Giant target, painted red.
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20:27 <Havac> It has supply ships.
20:27 <Havac> It never has to leave deep space.
20:27 <Dunc> Lots of places to hide.
20:27 <LI> And has many customers.
20:28 <LI> Any of which could be bribed to keep track of it.
20:28 <Havac> Not if Booster kicks them off.
20:28 <LI> Then what's the difference between it and the Falcon?
20:28 <Havac> There's a reason Luke used it to keep the students safe for almost all the YVW.
20:28 <Dunc> I doubt he could run the thing with ONLY his close, personal friends.
20:28 <Havac> It's bigger, better-armed, and doesn't have to make port directly.
20:28 <Dunc> There's bound to be someone Jacen can use
20:28 <Havac> Well, that's the case anywhere.
20:29 <LI> The Falcon doesn't have as many connections to use against them.
20:29 <Havac> But like I said, it stayed secure through the entire YVW.
20:29 <Dunc> That was different.
20:29 <Havac> How so?
20:29 <LI> The Vong aren't Jacen.
20:29 <Havac> That's right. They're more people with more Peace Brigaders working for them.
20:29 <LI> And Jacen has the Force.
20:29 <Havac> And more territorial coverage.
20:29 <LI> He can sense Allana.
20:30 <Havac> Not if they surround her with ysalamiri.
20:30 <Dunc> This is getting pointless...
20:30 <rrs> Fett could watch her
20:30 <Havac> You've got to think outside the box.
20:30 <Havac> :p
20:30 <Dunc> I think we'll get enough Fett. :P
20:30 <Dunc> Speaking of... Jag, Jaina, and Zekk. Thoughts?
20:30 <Horsey> you can never have enough Fett! :p
20:30 <Havac> Jag's in.
20:30 <Dunc> Oh, sweetie...
20:30 <Dunc> Yes you can.
20:30 <LI> Jag.
20:30 <Horsey> I think Zekk is out and Jag is in!
20:31 <LI> Jag all the way.
20:31 <Horsey> I was kidding, dunc
20:31 <Dunc> I know. I'm just... :/
20:31 <rrs> That scene with Leia overhearing Jag talking about Jaina was great.
20:31 <Havac> Zekk's moving more to the background as Jag move more to the foreground.
20:31 <LI> Which is perfectly fine with me.
20:31 <Horsey> I would've like to see Zekk bite it
20:31 <Havac> Zekk's the sidekick. Jag's a character in his own right. I've not seen any J/Z setup since Tempest and tons of J/J setup since Tempest.
20:32 <Dunc> I don't mind Zekk. I'm glad he and Jag can be friends.
20:32 <Havac> I'm thinking Zekk might go out in Invincible.
20:32 <LI> I wouldn't be surprised.
20:32 <Dunc> Possibly.
20:32 <LI> Maybe Han too.
20:32 <Horsey> Its gonna be either Kyp or Corran
20:32 <Havac> I like Zekk and Jag as friends too.
20:32 <Horsey> :~(
20:32 <Dunc> No, they wouldn't kill Han.
20:32 <Havac> But I don't think Zekk's going to win out here.
20:32 <Kobe> Lando
20:32 <Dunc> The Mara thing rocked the boat enough in that respect.
20:32 <Havac> I just want him to get his own damn woman.
20:33 <Havac> Someone who will actually, you know, respect him.
20:33 <Dunc> Zekk/Jysella?
20:33 <rrs> Zekk/Seha
20:33 <Havac> She's too young.
20:33 <LI> Err, have they even met?
20:33 <Dunc> If Valin is almost 30, how old is she?
20:33 <Dunc> True.
20:33 <LI> Checking now.
20:33 <Kobe> mid-20s?
20:33 <LI> There's something about their ages.
20:33 <Dunc> I hate those kinds of ships. :D
20:33 <Havac> Jysella can't be older than 20.
20:33 <Dunc> Not important.
20:33 <LI> c. 15 ABY birth.
20:33 <LI> 25 years.
20:34 <Havac> Jysella did not exist in 19 ABY.
20:34 <Dunc> Anyway, I was just throwing out a name. :D
20:34 <Horsey> Jysella is closer to Ben's age
20:34 <Havac> She's no more than twenty.
20:34 <Dunc> Overall, I agree with Hav, Zekk can get hios own woman. Or man. Whatever.
20:34 <LI> Valin was born in 13 ABY.
20:34 <Havac> He's not Beviin.
20:34 <Horsey> Octa?
20:34 <LI> Octa?
20:34 <Havac> He can get a woman.
20:34 <Horsey> Octa/Zekk
20:34 <Dunc> Who is Octa?
20:35 <LI> Octa Ramis.
20:35 <Havac> Octa Ramis.
20:35 <LI> Jedi Master.
20:35 <Havac> Jedi Master.
20:35 <Dunc> ...
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20:35 <Havac> Dammit, LI.
20:35 <Horsey> She was in Fury, Dunc
20:35 <LI> What?
20:35 * Jello|Nothingto is now known as Jello|NoComment
20:35 <Dunc> Really?
20:35 <LI> Yes.
20:35 <Horsey> yup
20:35 <Dunc> I only read it once.
20:35 <Havac> Yeah. She's, you know, a Jedi Master. On the Council.
20:35 <Dunc> Hey, maybe Zekk can end up with Syal.
20:35 <Havac> Was part of Kyp's faction during the YVW.
20:35 <Havac> NO.
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20:35 <Havac> He is not worthy.
20:35 <Jello|NoComment> >:(
20:35 <Dunc> ha ha
20:35 <Horsey> whoa
20:35 <Jello|NoComment> you did that on purpose!
20:36 <Horsey> at least you gave Jello something to talk about
20:36 <Dunc> What?
20:36 <Horsey> Jello is obsessed with Syal
20:36 <Jello|NoComment> don't play innocent, Dunc
20:36 <LI> Ah.
20:36 <Horsey> she's one of the only Rebels he admires
20:36 <LI> Why?
20:36 <Jello|NoComment> She's not a Rebel.
20:36 <Dunc> I thought he was obsessed with Jaina?
20:36 <Kobe> Zekk can go "comfort" Tenel Ka
20:36 <Jello|NoComment> No, just her womb.
20:36 <LI> *Snort*
20:36 * Dunc facepalms.
20:37 <Havac> Syal and Valin. :p
20:37 <LI> Why not?
20:37 <Horsey> I'd go for that one
20:37 * Dunc shrugs
20:37 <LI> Sure, that works.
20:37 <Kyptastic> Yeah, let's make everyone interrelated...
20:37 <Havac> Of course. :p
20:37 <Horsey> they already all are
20:37 <LI> Aren't they all?
20:37 <Kobe> I'd still like to know what everyone thinks of Lando's announcement
20:37 <Dunc> Kyp: That's the tradition.
20:37 <Havac> I want Tycho to have some kids, dammit.
20:37 <LI> They'll be related one way or another.
20:37 <LI> Agreed.
20:37 <rrs> more Corellian inbreeding
20:37 <Horsey> Its about time, Kobe
20:38 <Havac> Lando having a kid is the greatest thing ever.
20:38 <LI> Hopefully he's not dead.
20:38 <LI> Agreed, about time.
20:38 <Dunc> I'm suprised they didn't give us mini!Lando earlier, honestly?
20:38 <LI> Me too.
20:38 <Horsey> hopefully who isn't dead?
20:38 <LI> Tycho.
20:38 <Havac> Tycho's alive.
20:38 <LI> I think he's stunned.
20:38 <Horsey> he's alive
20:38 <Havac> It was a stun blast.
20:38 <LI> Vague wording just worries me.
20:38 <LI> Especially with continuity between authors.
20:38 <Dunc> Though I am happy Ben didn't get the YJK posse treatment.
20:38 <Horsey> It was pretty clear at the end
20:38 <Havac> I just want to see more of him after Fury.
20:38 <LI> Me too.
20:38 <Havac> And I want him and Winter to have some damn kids.
20:39 <LI> Agreed.
20:39 <Havac> Fury hinted at it.
20:39 <Dunc> Though part of me wonders if wee!Lando is there to tie into Legacy.
20:39 <LI> Must be.
20:39 <LI> We'll see Calrissians in Legacy soon enough.
20:39 <Havac> No, I think Allston just wanted to have an impact and give the poor guy a kid.
20:39 <Havac> He wanted to make some next-generation characters and carry on the name.
20:39 <LI> ...Syn? *laughter*
20:40 <Horsey> Boy or girl?
20:40 <Havac> Syn is not worthy of the Calrissian name. He is not pimp enough.
20:40 <Havac> It had better be a boy.
20:40 <LI> Agreed, though it'd be a hilarious twist.
20:40 <Havac> I want Lando Jr., dammit.
20:40 <Havac> And I want that to be his name.
20:40 <LI> Lando Calrissian II.
20:40 <Havac> Lando Calrissian II.
20:40 <LI> Again!
20:40 <Dunc> Be on the lookout for filthy rich Corellians.
20:40 <Havac> That would be such a Lando thing to do.
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20:40 <Dunc> (Tendra is Corellian, right?)
20:41 * Dunc sets mode: +v starlit
20:41 <Havac> And I can just see Lando Jr.
20:41 <starlit> hey
20:41 <Havac> Tendra is Sacorrian.
20:41 <Dunc> Well, Han never did get Han Solo Jr...
20:41 <Havac> Lando is Seroccan, I think.
20:41 <rrs> How old is Tendra?
20:41 <LI> Socorron.
20:41 <Havac> They're both Corellian Sector, but not Corellian system or Planet Corellia.
20:41 <Dunc> Really? I can't recall seeing a planet-origin for Lando...
20:41 <LI> Lando's from Socorro.
20:42 <Havac> Yeah, Sacorro.
20:42 <LI> It was in Insider 89.
20:42 <Havac> Got it typod with Serrocco.
20:42 <Kobe> Serrano
20:42 <Havac> There's Serrocco, Saccorria, and Socorro.
20:42 <LI> Socorro is Lando.
20:42 <Dunc> Sheesh
20:42 <Kobe> Serreno
20:42 <Dunc> That's worse than Dantooine and Tatooine
20:42 <Havac> Lando's ID was in Underworld, I think.
20:42 <LI> Serroco are the guys from KOTOR2.
20:42 <LI> Serenno is Dooku.
20:42 <Kobe> dunc, there was another one
20:42 <Kobe> Kinooine or something
20:43 <Kobe> I think
20:43 <Havac> There are a ton of ooines.
20:43 <LI> Cardooine.
20:43 <LI> Sestooine.
20:43 <LI> Ventooine.
20:43 <LI> Handooine.
20:43 <Dunc> Heh.
20:43 <Havac> There's a category on Wookieepedia.
20:43 <LI> Reltooine.
20:43 <Dunc> Makes sense
20:43 <LI> "List of planets ending in -ooine."
20:43 <Dunc> 'ooine' must 'land' in some languare
20:43 <LI> Must be.
20:43 <Havac> That's one of the things Erik asked Jason to handle in the Atlas.
20:43 <LI> Like "stan"
20:44 <Havac> ooine and aan.
20:44 <Horsey> Tatoo land?
20:44 <Horsey> lol
20:44 <Jello|NoComment> Lando is from the Lando system, obviously.
20:44 <Jello|NoComment> also known as Landooine
20:44 <Havac> Lando is from the Pimp System.
20:44 <LI> Lando from the planet Calrissia.
20:44 <Jello|NoComment> Pimp Sector.
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20:44 <Havac> Lando's not a system . . . he's a man from the system.
20:44 <Horsey> Let's talk about Kyle getting page time
20:44 <LI> Kyle!
20:45 <LI> The Katarn.
20:45 <Havac> Kyle as a character for the first time.
20:45 <Dunc> And a personality!
20:45 <Havac> Kickass.
20:45 <LI> The Beard.
20:45 <Dunc> Amazing.
20:45 <LI> Enough to make the book a 10/10.
20:45 <Jello> he's had a personality before
20:45 <Havac> Watch out for durasteel rails.
20:45 <LI> In the books?
20:45 <Havac> He's never had a personality in the novels.
20:45 <LI> Exactly.
20:45 <Dunc> I don't play games.
20:45 <Havac> He's just been a name and a handful of random lines.
20:45 <Horsey> lol Hav
20:45 <LI> The main series has rarely featured him.
20:45 <Dunc> Therefore, Kyle is big blank fanboy bait to me.
20:45 <Horsey> That exchange was the funniest since Ton/Face
20:46 <Havac> Well, you could read the novellas, Dunc.
20:46 <Dunc> No.
20:46 <LI> Ton/Face, great pair!
20:46 <Havac> I love Ton.
20:46 <LI> Me too.
20:46 <LI> One of the best characters in the series.
20:46 <LI> One of my favorites.
20:46 <LI> They should bring back Face.
20:47 <Horsey> he was in the NJO
20:47 <LI> That was how many in-galaxy years ago now?
20:47 <Havac> I'm surprised we went all of Allston's LOTF without the Wraiths.
20:47 <LI> Agreed.
20:47 <Horsey> I don't pay attention to years
20:47 <Havac> Just one Nelprin cameo and the Donos in-reference.
20:47 <Havac> Both in Betrayal.
20:47 <LI> They should have shown up at least referenced with Jacen's GAG.
20:48 <Horsey> no way
20:48 <LI> "Referenced"
20:48 <Horsey> I don't want the Wraiths to be associated with GAG
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20:48 <LI> As in, Jacen wanting them out of the way.
20:48 <Horsey> However, Allston writing more Wraith books would've been fun until Traviss did the RC books
20:48 <LI> They're already an intelligence unit, Jacen runs the secret police, there should have been some mention there.
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20:48 <Havac> I really want to see Luke build up a coalition of all-stars.
20:49 <Dunc> That sounds like a TV special
20:49 <LI> I want him to at least spend one book being decisive.
20:49 <Dunc> LUKE SKYWALKER AND THE EU ALL-STARS!
20:49 <LI> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
20:49 <Havac> It started in Exile with him teaming up with Wedge and Corran and the Gang.
20:49 <Jello> SPIN?
20:49 <Jello> You want to see SPIN again?
20:49 <Dunc> The problem with Luke is he's STILL way too powerful.
20:49 <LI> SPIN?
20:49 <Havac> I want to see him build his third faction.
20:49 <Dunc> Though I love, love, love the rose petal line.
20:49 <Jello> Senate Planetary Intelligence Network
20:49 <Jello> See: GoDV
20:50 <Havac> I want Wedge, and Booster, and Karrde, and Gavin, and the Wraiths, and Tycho, and everyone.
20:50 * Dunc snickers
20:50 <LI> Never read it.
20:50 <Dunc> AARON ALLSTON'S EU ALL-STARS
20:50 <Jello> what?
20:50 <Kjazhed-Uhl> Good.
20:50 <Havac> I want them to get together and kick the shit out of some bad guys.
20:50 <Dunc> A stand-alone series.
20:50 <LI> Vader's glove.
20:50 <Havac> I bid you all Dark Greetings!
20:50 <LI> There are a few books I've missed, GoDV is one of them.
20:50 <Jello> That was an incredulous exclamation rather than an interrogative.
20:50 <LI> Why?
20:50 <Jello> It's GoDV.
20:50 <Jello> All fans must read it.
20:50 <Dunc> LI: You're better off. They are awful.
20:51 <Jello> No. They're an integral part of the saga.
20:51 <Dunc> Riiight.
20:51 <Havac> Zoochberry products for everyoneQ!
20:51 <Jello> It's like missing ESB.
20:51 <Dunc> And I'm a n00b.
20:51 <LI> I couldn't even find it, so that settles eerything.
20:51 <LI> *everything
20:51 <Jello> Well, yes, we all knew that, Dunc.
20:51 <Dunc> :P
20:51 <LI> Just like I could never get Courtship.
20:51 <Havac> GODV is *hilarious*.
20:51 <Jello> Another fine book.
20:51 <Havac> Hilariously bad, but still hilarious.
20:51 <Jello> CoPL should be everywhere, though.
20:51 <Dunc> Well, Courtship is pretty horrible, too. But still not as bad as GODV.
20:51 <Kjazhed-Uhl> Probably unintentionally so.
20:51 <Jello> I'm fairly sure it's still in print.
20:52 <Dunc> They all are.
20:52 <Jello> What? No, I recently reread it and it stands pretty well :-p
20:52 <Dunc> Erm.... ummm....
20:52 <Dunc> I won't go into it.
20:52 <Havac> Whuffa.
20:53 <Dunc> CoPL is one of the Bantam trifecta of horror.
20:53 <Kobe> that Bothan Jedi lives right?
20:53 <Kjazhed-Uhl> Yes.
20:53 <Kobe> Kolir?
20:53 <Dunc> The first herald, if you will.
20:53 <Havac> Kolir lives.
20:53 <Jello> oh come on, that's a totally unfair assertion
20:53 <LI> What part of Fury shall we discuss next, gentlebeings? And yes, the Bothan lives.
20:53 <Horsey> You'd better not have Crystal Star in that trifecta >:D
20:53 <Havac> COPL is better than TCS, POT, and TNR.
20:53 <Dunc> Hmm. More than a trifecta
20:53 <Jello> Yes.
20:53 <Havac> So your trifecta is shot.
20:53 <Jello> Call it a googleplex.
20:53 <Jello> :-p
20:53 <LI> Googolplex?
20:53 <Dunc> I called it 'pure vein of crap' somewhere
20:54 <LI> Which one?
20:54 <Dunc> CoPL, KJA, CS, Callista...
20:54 <Kjazhed-Uhl> Is this first time that we got a POV of Allana?
20:54 <LI> I think so.
20:54 <Havac> Possibly.
20:54 <Dunc> ANYWAY.
20:54 <LI> YES.
20:54 <Jello> RotJ.... Wedge's Gamble... Empire's End...
20:54 <Horsey> Well before she was talking in gaga talk so I sure hope so
20:54 <LI> *Ahem*
20:54 <Kjazhed-Uhl> I really liked those parts of Fury.
20:54 <Dunc> What did folks think of Ben's talk with Luke?
20:55 <LI> Good!
20:55 <Havac> I liked it.
20:55 <Horsey> It was very fitting
20:55 <Kobe> about time
20:55 <LI> Finally, some sense gets driven through his hard skull.
20:55 <Havac> Luke was understandably mopey, Ben kicked him out of it.
20:55 <Horsey> Luke needed someone to smack him
20:55 <LI> Agreed!
20:55 <Havac> Hopefully Luke will stay in kickass mode.
20:55 <LI> Smacking was much-desired.
20:55 <Dunc> Luke has often needed smacking. that's what mara was for.
20:55 <Kjazhed-Uhl> And now he has Ben for it.
20:55 <Havac> Across the face, not the ass.
20:55 <Dunc> Yes.
20:55 <LI> Yes, thank you for that clarification, it was badly needed.
20:56 <Dunc> Though I'm not really a big fan of Ben being Luke's apprentice.
20:56 <LI> Apprentice him to Kyle.
20:56 <Dunc> I was rooting for Kyp.
20:56 <Havac> I would prefer if Ben was apprenticed to another master just to bring someone else into the story.
20:56 <Havac> But I do like the father-son bonding element they have going.
20:56 <LI> Do you mean a new character or an old one?
20:56 <Dunc> They're awfully insular...
20:56 <Horsey> If Ben was apprenticed to Kyp, Kyle, or Corran though you'd know they were safe from dying
20:56 <Dunc> New or old. Just not a family member
20:56 <Havac> Well, I was rooting for Jaden Korr.
20:56 <Horsey> this way, they could still die
20:56 <LI> YES!
20:56 <Havac> As his master.
20:57 <LI> Jaden, definitely.
20:57 <LI> I've got to reinstall that game at some point.
20:57 <LI> Uninstalled it after it got a glitch.
20:57 <Kjazhed-Uhl> I wish the dark side ending was canonical.
20:57 <LI> I just wish it had better heads.
20:57 <Havac> Or Kyle, or Izal Waz.
20:57 <Dunc> Which game is this Jaden dude from?
20:57 <Havac> They'd both be good masters.
20:57 <Havac> Jedi Academy.
20:57 <LI> Jedi Academy.
20:57 <Dunc> hrm.
20:57 <LI> Again!
20:58 <Havac> The sequel to Jedi Knight II.
20:58 <LI> Jedi Knight II's sequel.
20:58 <LI> Again again!
20:58 <Horsey> I wish I could play those
20:58 <Horsey> :(
20:58 <Havac> You can.
20:58 <LI> Indeed.
20:58 <Horsey> I can't find them!
20:58 <Havac> I refuse to accept excuses.
20:58 <LI> Amazon.
20:59 <Horsey> Do you think Kyle should've died?
20:59 <LI> They have 5 brand new copies of JK2.
20:59 <LI> No.
20:59 <Havac> I would say no if just because he needs more love and development.
20:59 <LI> He needs to be in more books.
20:59 <Kjazhed-Uhl> By all accounts a lightsaber to the chest _should_ kill someone.
20:59 <LI> And train more apprentices.
20:59 <Havac> I'm certainly not opposed to the killing off of Masters, though.
20:59 <Horsey> Fanboys....
20:59 <LI> Me neither.
20:59 <LI> Kill off Streen.
20:59 <Horsey> Right KU
20:59 <LI> And the Dathomiri.
20:59 <Havac> It's just that . . . they're so underdeveloped that it seems a shame.
20:59 <Horsey> Also, Kam lived too
20:59 <LI> Ugh, I was surprised.
21:00 <LI> And slightly disappointed.
21:00 <Horsey> I was disappointed in that
21:00 <LI> Backtracking is a no-no.
21:00 <Havac> I want more of them before I see them die . . . but they really do need to start dying when they get mortal injuries.
21:00 <Horsey> If Corran bites it, I'm going to scream bias towards K names
21:00 <LI> Agreed.
21:00 <LI> Corran should be the next Grand Master.
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21:00 <LI> They've been setting that up for a while.
21:00 <Dunc> LI: Eww.
21:00 <Havac> I actually wouldn't mind Corran dying. He actually has been developed and used, and he has a son to carry on his name.
21:01 <LI> True, but there are good reasons not to.
21:01 <Horsey> I'm ok with Corran dying if Valin gets more page time
21:01 <Dunc> It ought to be someone younger. Luke's probably not going to die for a good long while
21:01 <Horsey> and I <3 Corran
21:01 <Havac> I don't want another Grand Master.
21:01 <LI> The Jedi need to develop a closer relationship with the GA after Jacen kicks the bucket, right?
21:01 <Horsey> JAINA!
21:01 <LI> Then the next leader will probably be a GA supporter.
21:01 <Horsey> We need a female grandmaster!
21:01 <Havac> They're supposed to be exceptional rarities, not something the Council always has.
21:01 <Kjazhed-Uhl> With all of the times that Corran has received a fake death...
21:01 <Dunc> Hav: I don't like that title, either
21:01 <Havac> No way should Jaina be GM.
21:01 <Horsey> lol KU
21:01 <LI> She's the Empress.
21:02 <LI> Not the Grand Master.
21:02 <LI> She can be GM of the Imperial Knights.
21:02 <Havac> The one GM I'd tolerate after Luke would be Leia if she'd actually bloody well train up and get down to being a Jedi.
21:03 <LI> Make Han the GM, he won't have any problems with future visions.
21:03 <Havac> But even there it's questionable.
21:03 <LI> So, how long do you think Kyp has left?
21:03 <LI> He seems to be on the fast track to death.
21:03 <Havac> I think someone is going down in Revelation and/or Invincible.
21:04 <Kjazhed-Uhl> I think he's going to kick it in Invincible.
21:04 <LI> Kyp, definitely for one.
21:04 <Havac> Be it Kyp, Kyle again, Corran, or Saba.
21:04 <LI> They've been paying attention to him, bad omens.
21:04 <Kjazhed-Uhl> Voren should appear in Invincible... :p
21:04 <LI> Voren?
21:04 <Havac> Voren should die.
21:05 <Kjazhed-Uhl> ...which is why I want him to be in Invincible.
21:05 <LI> Which Voren?
21:05 <Havac> Voren Na'al. Alliance historian/propagandist.
21:05 <LI> The historian?
21:05 <LI> Ah, him.
21:05 <LI> Yes, must die.
21:05 <LI> Replace with pro-Imperial, ASAP.
21:06 <LI> Imperial view of Legacy, that I'd like to see.
21:06 <LI> What do they think of Jacen, I wonder?
21:07 <Dunc> 'Serves you right?'
21:07 <LI> Maybe.
21:07 <LI> Worship him as Palpatine's spiritual successor?
21:07 <LI> I still think his character was a bit wasted.
21:08 <Horsey> Jacen's character is wasted?
21:08 <LI> Less insanity, more manipulation.
21:08 <Havac> I think Jacen will have been wasted if he goes out lousy.
21:08 <LI> Crazy was a bit of a waste.
21:08 <LI> To have him lose all the time.
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21:08 <Havac> If people would just do things the way I think they should . . . he'd be awesome.
21:08 <Horsey> I think it fits perfectly with his character
21:08 <Kjazhed-Uhl> I want Jacen to be redeemed.
21:08 <LI> No, no, no.
21:08 <LI> Redemption = bad.
21:08 <Horsey> Also, I <3 Allston for naming a ship after Texas A&M's mascot
21:08 <LI> Mascot?
21:09 <Horsey> Redemption = bad
21:09 <LI> Again?
21:09 <Havac> Frankly, though, I think Jacen's long been ruined by fanboy bitching, and anything they do with him that's popular would be a crappy story, and vice versa.
21:09 * Dunc sets mode: +v pacothetaco
21:09 <Havac> Well, Allston is Texan.
21:09 <Horsey> The shuttle's name is Reveille
21:09 <Horsey> but that's also a military term too
21:09 <Horsey> so most likely he didn't
21:09 <Horsey> but I can pretend
21:09 <LI> He could have been a fascinating mix of Vader and Palpatine, both manipulative and a frontline fighter.
21:09 <LI> A Sith with a reason.
21:10 <Havac> I like him best in Bloodlines and Betrayal.
21:10 <Jello> Lumiya could have been a mix of Vader and Palpatine
21:10 <Jello> they dropped the ball on her tremendously
21:10 <Havac> Coldly logical, making an uncanny amount of sense.
21:10 <Jello> she was a waste of time
21:10 <Horsey> Agreed Jello
21:10 <Horsey> they wasted Lumiya
21:10 <LI> Havac: Which one were you referring to?
21:10 <Havac> I don't know about wasted. I'd say they underused her.
21:10 <Horsey> Though, I still think she engineered all of this and thus the whole thing is her fault
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21:11 <Jello> under and misused, imo
21:11 <Horsey> I'm glad the bug slut finally bit the dust
21:12 <LI> Finally!
21:12 <Horsey> and the fact that Jag did makes it sooooooooooooooo much better
21:12 <LI> Nice way to go, too.
21:12 <LI> Yes!
21:12 <LI> Finally, something I always wanted to see happen.
21:12 <LI> Crushing someone's throat *without* the Force.
21:12 <Horsey> didn't he snap her neck?
21:12 <Dunc> Alema was always sort of being to me.
21:12 <Havac> IT does leave me wondering what Jag's going to do for the rest of the series, now.
21:12 <LI> Yeah, I was being general.
21:12 <Horsey> being what?
21:13 <Horsey> A whole lot of nothing, Hav
21:13 <LI> Jag the Nanny.
21:13 <LI> Jagged Fel, Millenium Falcon Pilot.
21:13 <Havac> I'd be interested in seeing if Traviss uses him.
21:13 <Horsey> I kinda want him to go with Jaina
21:13 <Havac> She hasn't yet.
21:13 <Horsey> but it didn't look like that was going to happen
21:13 <Jello> he needs to impregnate her.
21:13 <LI> *Snort*
21:13 <LI> Too soon, too soon.
21:13 <Havac> I like him as not just an elite pilot but this sort of elite Dark Jedi hunter.
21:14 <LI> Agreed, double the skills.
21:14 <Jello> No. Someone needs to knock that boy on the head and instruct him in his duty.
21:14 <LI> Twice the usefulness.
21:14 <Havac> A Jedi auxiliary in the best sense.
21:14 <LI> Agreed.
21:14 <LI> A non-Force user of the best sort.
21:14 <Havac> Now, we just need to see him buddy up with the Remnant.
21:14 <LI> Indeed.
21:14 <LI> I still have no clue how that's going to happen.
21:14 <Havac> Nor do I. It's perplexing.
21:15 <LI> Indeed, anything is likely to be extremely complicated.
21:15 <LI> Soontir must be up to something.
21:15 <Dunc> Maybe he can teach Force-less techniques to the Jedi
21:15 <LI> I always thought he was.
21:15 <Dunc> All the Jedi.
21:15 <Dunc> Not just jaina
21:15 <LI> I was referring to my other comment, Soontir.
21:15 <LI> I always thought he was up to something.
21:16 <LI> Plotting, manipulating, basically taking lessons from the Chiss.
21:16 <Havac> I really want someone to sort out the whole EOTH/Ascendancy situation.
21:16 <LI> Me too.
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21:16 <LI> Something needs to be explained.
21:16 <LI> Preferably everything.
21:17 <LI> Written by Zahn.
21:17 <Dunc> Good luck with that...
21:17 <Horsey> Do you think Jaina is going to spend the whole next book training?
21:17 <Horsey> so she doesn't fight Jacen until 9
21:17 <LI> Probably.
21:17 <Havac> Possibly.
21:17 <LI> At least half of it.
21:17 <Horsey> so are we looking at an actionless book?
21:17 <LI> We're looking at a Fett-centric book.
21:17 <Havac> I don't think so.
21:18 <Horsey> or will Jacen meet up with Luke/Leia again while going after Allana?
21:18 <Kjazhed-Uhl> I wonder what, if anything, Traviss might do with the Korriban Sith.
21:18 <Horsey> also, thank goodness Centerpoint was blown up
21:18 <Havac> There's still Ben's plotline of tracking things down, and it looks like we'll be seeing some Confederation action.
21:18 <Horsey> its about damn time
21:18 <LI> Yes! Centerpoint is gone!
21:18 <LI> Another superweapon bites the void.
21:18 <Havac> Plus Jacen will want Allana back.
21:18 <Havac> There's plenty of room for conflict while Jaina is out of it.
21:18 <LI> So, who thinks the Confederation goes next book?
21:18 <Havac> I think it might.
21:19 <Horsey> really?
21:19 <LI> They won't last much longer.
21:19 <LI> Not with Jacen angry and looking for something to take it out on.
21:19 <Horsey> Its odd, this chat is bombing because we all liked the book and don't have anything to complain about
21:19 <LI> He'd probably slag the planet at this point.
21:19 <LI> Agreed.
21:19 <LI> Strange, lack of controversy in Star Wars?
21:19 <Havac> I just hope we see more of their leadership.
21:19 <LI> Unbelievable.
21:19 <Havac> We need Phennir, dammit.
21:19 <LI> I want to hear about Drall.
21:19 <LI> Phennir!
21:19 <Dunc> Horsey: Heh.
21:19 <Jello> unlikely now
21:19 <Havac> Phennir, and Rodan.
21:19 <LI> Yes! He got characterization.
21:20 <Jello> the other authors won't use him
21:20 <Jello> that's for sure
21:20 <Havac> Give us some bloody Rodan.
21:20 <Dunc> I think the cht is going v. well. :D
21:20 <LI> If he's even still alive.
21:20 <Horsey> lol, Dunc
21:20 <LI> He could be very much dead by now.
21:20 <Havac> He's Fyor Rodan. He's a survivor.
21:20 <Dunc> Course, I'm always happy to see folks doing something that's not bitching. :D
21:20 <Horsey> True
21:20 <Havac> You know he'd evacuate.
21:20 <Horsey> I'm just confused and not used to it
21:20 <Horsey> I don't know how to act
21:20 <Horsey> I LOVE CORRAN!
21:20 <LI> My, how random.
21:21 <Havac> That's not random, not for Horsey.
21:21 <LI> Good point.
21:21 <Kjazhed-Uhl> Vibro was no Tenn Graneet what I still liked all two or three pages of his characterization.
21:21 <Kjazhed-Uhl> *but
21:21 <LI> Indeed.
21:21 <LI> I'm about halfway through Death Star now.
21:21 <Horsey> :DD
21:21 <LI> I was surprised that they actually gave a character to the guy who said "Stand by".
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21:22 <Horsey> welcome
21:22 <Scoke> Hello all. First time chatting here. :)
21:22 <LI> 'Allo, 'allo.
21:22 <Horsey> YAY!!! First time chatter!
21:23 <Kjazhed-Uhl> Long time lurker, first time chatter. :p
21:23 <Horsey> talk radio shows...lol
21:23 <LI> Story of my life, right there in one sentence.
21:23 <Scoke> *lets the newbieness flow through him*
21:23 <Horsey> So did you read Fury?
21:23 <Scoke> Heck yeah. Just finished today.
21:23 <LI> Ah, fresh from the pages.
21:23 <Horsey> What did you like? dislike?
21:24 <Scoke> Gotta say, I loved it. Kept me interested throughout, like this series has right from the beginning.
21:24 <Dunc> Scoke!
21:24 <LI> Agreed.
21:24 <Horsey> So you're pleased with the whole series?
21:25 <Scoke> Yeah, I am. One of the few I think. ;)
21:25 <Scoke> Hey Dunc!
21:25 <LI> Or one of the many.
21:25 <Dunc> Welcome to the humble chat
21:25 <Jello> Humble...
21:25 <Scoke> The only thing I wasn't a fan of was the flow-walking.
21:25 <LI> Arg!
21:25 <Dunc> Well, aside from you, Jello.
21:25 <Jello> :)
21:26 <LI> Flow-walking was done wrong, in my opinion.
21:26 * Dunc gives Jello a kiss on his oversized forehead.
21:26 <Jello> my forehead is not that big :-(
21:26 <LI> Too interactive.
21:26 <Dunc> Figuratively, darling.
21:26 <Scoke> With the flow-walking, what that told me was that anything was possible now, they can go back in time, change the previous events in the series, etc.
21:27 <Horsey> I dislike that idea
21:27 <Scoke> And the first thing I thought of was, "Oh crap, they're going to bring Anakin back from the dead."
21:27 <LI> Me too.
21:27 <Horsey> though, they seem to be using it sparingly
21:27 <Horsey> however, if Jacen wasn't such an idiot he could really mess things up
21:27 <LI> It should die with Jacen.
21:27 <Havac> I hated the flow-walking.
21:27 <LI> It should have been more like a vision or a dream.
21:27 <Scoke> Not that I dislike Anakin Solo, he was my favorite character right up to his glorious death. But I kinda like it when the characters actually die, and it isn't some sort of trick, etc.
21:27 <Havac> Inferno kriffed it up.
21:27 <LI> The same way they see the future.
21:27 <Kjazhed-Uhl> I get the crazy impression that with the use of flow-walking and Force phantoms in this series, it might be building up to a flow-walking duel across time.
21:28 <LI> No, No, No, No.
21:28 <LI> NO.
21:28 <Havac> That would be hilarious.
21:28 <LI> *glare*
21:28 <LI> No joking about that.
21:28 <Havac> Hilarious, not good.
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21:28 <LI> Dimensional battles = bad.
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21:28 <Scoke> Yes, they are using it sparingly though, I appreciate that. But I think they could have done without it and still the story would have worked.
21:28 <Jello> They could bring back Lord Vader and the Emperor.
21:28 <Scoke> Oh heck no.
21:28 <LI> NO.
21:28 <Jello> That would be beautiful.
21:28 <Horsey> lol
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21:28 <Horsey> that would be hilarious
21:29 <Scoke> *envisions Lord Vader walking up to Caedus, giving him a PWNAGE, and saying "You're doing it all wrong."*
21:29 <Horsey> cept Vader would still turn and then the Jedi would be unstoppable
21:29 <LI> Indeed.
21:29 <Dunc> HA HA
21:29 <LI> No bringing anybody back.
21:29 <LI> I want Anakin to be dead and stay dead.
21:29 <Dunc> If I had a good Caedus pic I'd totally icon that
21:29 <Jello> "Ur doin it wrong"
21:29 <LI> Wait for the Japanese release.
21:29 <Horsey> There's no such thing as a good Caedus pic
21:29 <LI> I want to see their covers. Badly.
21:30 <Scoke> Agreed. And I don't think it will happen. But there is that chance... Even seeing how crazy Tahiri was to see him, and Caedus was teaching her how to flow-walk... :|
21:30 <Jello> I am waiting for the IWoD cover.
21:30 <Scoke> Me too, the Japanese covers rock.
21:30 <Dunc> Me too. TOS keeps showing, like, the Jedi Appretice ones. :P
21:30 <LI> Agreed, I've got pictures of them all.
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21:30 <Dunc> Same ole movie character pics? NO ONE CARES.
21:30 * Horsey sets mode: +v darth_paul
21:30 <LI> They have the most accurate depictions of characters, in my opinion.
21:31 <Horsey> Jaina needs a cover
21:31 <Scoke> Last one I saw for the EU books was The Unseen Queen. Have any more been shown?
21:31 <Horsey> I'm gonna bitch if she doesn't get one
21:31 <LI> Nothing past DN.
21:31 <Havac> I hate the Japanese covers as covers.
21:31 <Havac> I also think they do a shitty Luke.
21:31 <Havac> Aside from that, they make good image resources.
21:31 <LI> I don't like Luke, so I don't mind.
21:31 <Dunc> No, nothing past the one where jacen is weirdly hot.
21:31 <Horsey> How can you not like Luke?
21:31 <Horsey> Why do people dislike Luke?
21:31 <LI> He's annoying.
21:32 <Dunc> Because sometimes he's a whiny bitch
21:32 <Scoke> Interested to hear your thoughts behind that. ;)
21:32 <Dunc> Bantam era. Prozac Luke. 'nuf said.
21:32 <LI> He's brought down an Empire and alien invaders and he still has trouble making decisions.
21:32 <Scoke> I do like what Ben told him in this book though, basically a verbal slappage saying "Get back to being a Grand Master."
21:32 <LI> Agreed.
21:32 <LI> He needed it.
21:32 <LI> For the last 20 years.
21:33 <Scoke> haha
21:33 <Horsey> I think he's been fairly badass in the last two books
21:34 <LI> So, Mon Calamari, who thinks it's the next big battle?
21:34 <Scoke> True enough. I do think Mara's death hit him harder than I thought it would, which was surprising. But I think it made him more interesting as a character.
21:34 <Havac> I doubt Mon Cal will be hit.
21:34 <Horsey> He's going after Hapes
21:35 <LI> Didn't say hit, I said battle.
21:35 <Scoke> Oh yeah, Caedus doesn't like them anymore. Just because.
21:35 <Havac> The main front seems to be the Colonies and Core.
21:35 <LI> Niathal.
21:35 <LI> She might flee back to Calamari.
21:35 <Havac> I don't think it's likely.
21:35 <LI> Jacen probably wants her dead. Soon.
21:35 <Scoke> Niathal will definitely have some sort of battle with Caedus before the end. I don't think she'll be with him for long.
21:35 <LI> He'll be after her very soon.
21:35 <LI> Probably in the next book.
21:35 <LI> Plus his comments about not liking the fish-folk.
21:35 <Scoke> I'm surprised she's put up with him this long.
21:35 <Havac> Going after her will split the GA, which I think is coming.
21:36 <LI> It won't split it. GA + Jedi vs. Jacen and....Tahiri?
21:36 <Horsey> fear will keep some people with Jacen
21:36 <LI> Depends on his idiocy.
21:36 <Scoke> There wasn't a word spoken about Tahiri in this book I think. I was wondering what was up with her.
21:36 <LI> If he keeps screwing up.....
21:36 <Havac> Jacen will retain a loyalist faction because of fear and the fact that he'll probably be able to paint Niathal as a traitor.
21:36 <LI> There was a mention in there.
21:37 <Kjazhed-Uhl> When it came to the StealthX that Jacen ultimately stole.
21:37 <Scoke> Heck, they don't even take Caedus seriously anymore. Like when they were having the whole fake diplomatic session before Centerpoint fired.
21:37 <Dunc> The X-Wing
21:37 <Dunc> StealthX, sorry
21:37 <LI> The final book will probably be Jacen vs. Jaina, so that leaves the Confederation and the Alliance to be dealt with before that fight.
21:37 <Havac> It would be interesting if Jacen was out of power by the end of Revelation.
21:37 <LI> He will be.
21:37 <Havac> And Invincible was just about him on the run.
21:37 <LI> I don't doubt it.
21:37 <Horsey> Jacen talked about how he'd been taking her back to see Anakin
21:37 <Kjazhed-Uhl> And Jacen also noted his dislike for Tahiri's wanting him to take her back to see Anakin's death a thousand times.
21:38 <LI> That's it.
21:38 <Scoke> That's what I'm thinking. Jacen Vs. Jaina. Just like it was prophecized in the NJO, just like when they "fought" in the YJK books...
21:38 <LI> I think the Confederation War will be finished in Revelation, from the looks of the cover.
21:38 <LI> And Jacen will announce his reign as Dark Lord of the Sith.
21:39 <LI> And then *everybody* will be after him.
21:39 <Scoke> What of the Sith on Korriban? What do you think they will do about this? Will they have a final say at the end?
21:39 <Dunc> Or, they'll just LOL
21:39 <Kjazhed-Uhl> After The Cestus Deception, I do not trust covers anymore.
21:39 <Horsey> I think the Sith will disappear and not interfere
21:39 <Horsey> They'll keep the ship
21:40 <LI> What was wrong with Cestus?
21:40 <Havac> I think they'll do a few more things like in Fury.
21:40 <Havac> Blow a few things up.
21:40 <Dunc> covers are not there to be realistic about the book's content. They are there to sell the book
21:40 <Havac> Assassinate a few people.
21:40 <Kjazhed-Uhl> Dooku.
21:40 <LI> Ah, that.
21:40 <Havac> Mysterious but key behind-the-scenes stuff.
21:40 <Scoke> I'm trying to think how it will connect with the Legacy comics. I mean, I'm sure Darth Krayt was with those Sith there... Maybe?
21:40 <LI> No.
21:40 <LI> I doubt it.
21:40 <Havac> Frankly, I was surprised Han and Leia were allowed to openly see Dician's ship and know someone mysterious was active.
21:40 <LI> They aren't his. I don't think so.
21:41 <Havac> I hope Claws of the Dragon will make the whole thing clear.
21:41 <LI> Vader's cultists, I think.
21:41 <Havac> And they have to be his.
21:41 <Kjazhed-Uhl> I'd be interested to see Traviss's take on the Korriban Sith, if she deigns to do that sort of thing.
21:41 <Horsey> I'm surprised Leia couldn't feel a Sith presence
21:41 <Horsey> on the ship, I should say
21:41 <LI> Probably not, it'll most likely be Mandalorian-exclusive.
21:41 <Havac> He may not be their leader yet, but he has to be among them.
21:41 <Havac> They're the same group.
21:41 <LI> Making a theory, one second.
21:41 <LI> Krayt is entombed there.
21:41 <LI> They are his followers.
21:42 <LI> Worshipping his body like a Pharaoh.
21:42 <LI> Or something like that.
21:42 <Scoke> That's interesting.
21:42 <LI> Part of his group yet different from his Sith.
21:42 <Horsey> There is finally a reason for the Mandalorian stuff to be in the series, and its a good one, imo so I'm ok with the next book being about that if Jaina gets to train to be badass
21:42 <LI> Agreed, the Empress needs training to pass on to her Knights.
21:43 <Scoke> That's what I was telling everybody that has the Mando hate; they aren't just in this series because Traviss likes them, they are gonna have a purpose.
21:43 <LI> I've only had one problem with the Mandalorians so far.
21:43 <Scoke> And it looks like Jaina's gonna be a kick-butt warrior now.
21:43 <Dunc> The problem I have with Traviss is it's pretty obvious she doesn't much like the Jedi
21:43 <Dunc> And putting her in this series... :/
21:43 <Scoke> True, and hasn't she said that in an interview?
21:44 <Dunc> several times
21:44 <LI> She shoehorns them into the story, a bit.
21:44 <LI> Like Ben's mention of them in Bloodlines. Completely unnecessary.
21:44 <LI> Yanked me right out of the story.
21:44 <Scoke> I do remember that, and how random it was.
21:44 <LI> Drove me crazy.
21:44 <Scoke> Didn't like that at all.
21:44 <Dunc> That Ben thing made me >:(
21:44 <Kjazhed-Uhl> The one thing that caused discomfort for me in Bloodlines was the degree of focus she put on characters watching the tube.
21:45 <LI> There's an entire galaxy out there, he could have chosen any other species to reference.
21:45 <RF> Or, even, no specific race/species at all.
21:45 <LI> Indeed.
21:45 <LI> Completely unnecessary and rather jarring, to say the least.
21:45 <RF> "I want to be free and do stuff" vs. "I want to be free and do stuff... like a Mando!"
21:45 <LI> Exactly!
21:45 <LI> Extremely irritating.
21:46 <Horsey> lol
21:46 <Horsey> I totally didn't even notice that
21:46 <LI> Really?
21:46 <Horsey> yeah
21:46 <LI> Shocked me the first time I read it.
21:46 <Horsey> I'm one of those readers that all authors love though
21:46 <Horsey> I just go with the flow and accept what is given
21:46 <Horsey> though this chat has made me more aware as a reader, I will say
21:46 <Dunc> Horsey: I do that a lot.
21:46 <LI> I'm usually that way, except in extreme cases like that.
21:47 <Horsey> That's not an extreme case, LI
21:47 <Dunc> But I read SW differently than everything else.
21:47 <LI> It was for me.
21:47 <Dunc> Defense mechanism. :(
21:47 <RF> Heh.
21:47 <Horsey> I'm less disappointed if I just accept it all
21:47 <RF> I go with the flow... until there's an obvious error.
21:47 <Horsey> unlike Hav who has to have everything line up all neat and tidy
21:47 <LI> I was going: "Why does Ben's first thought in the situation go to Mandalorians?"
21:48 <RF> Tidy is good.
21:48 <Horsey> cuz all little boys want to be Mandalorians?
21:48 <RF> Don't you trust the Tidy Cat?
21:48 <Havac> Because he saw a Discovery Channel documentary a week before.
21:48 <Horsey> He already is going to be a Jedi, so he should have something else to want to be
21:48 <Havac> It's not that hard to explain.
21:48 <LI> No, but it makes you more aware of the writer's preferences.
21:48 <RF> No, its not.
21:48 <RF> But its still groanworthy, IMO.
21:48 <LI> I call it shoehorning.
21:48 <Dunc> I did get to thinking about maybe WHY Ben knew about mandos
21:49 <Scoke> I usually accept it if it fits the story.
21:49 <Dunc> And I came up with the concept of some Hardy Boys style serial where the kids are mandos
21:49 <LI> Ugh............
21:49 <Havac> I just want the Mirta/Ben shipping to end.
21:49 <LI> No.
21:49 <Kjazhed-Uhl> YES.
21:49 <Dunc> Which is totally silly and stupid, I know.
21:49 <LI> No.
21:49 <LI> Just no.
21:49 <Scoke> Wait a min, Mirta/Ben??!!
21:49 <Scoke> LOL
21:49 <Dunc> Didn't Traviss hook her up with some dude in Sacrifice?
21:49 <RF> Yes, exactly.
21:49 <Kjazhed-Uhl> No more Mirta/Ben!
21:49 <Havac> Yes. The Stupidest Ship on the Net.
21:50 <LI> It exists!?
21:50 <Havac> Yes.
21:50 <RF> It must be an SSD.
21:50 <Dunc> Probably because she heard about the Mirta/Ben shipping. :P
21:50 <Kjazhed-Uhl> Yes.
21:50 <Scoke> It's a good thing I don't read much fanfic... The pain...
21:50 <Havac> People who honestly think they are going to be set up.
21:50 <Dunc> It's not all bad.
21:50 <LI> I only read the good ones.
21:50 <Dunc> I haven't actually seen that in fic.
21:50 <LI> Which so far have amounted to one.
21:50 <RF> No, but the crazies make the rest of it look bad.
21:50 <Scoke> I read fanfic, just not a ton of it. If something catches my attention, I will read it.
21:50 <LI> I'm a picky reader.
21:50 <Kjazhed-Uhl> I read a post from one of the Mirta/Ben shippers being disappointed when she asked Traviss about Mirta/Ben.
21:50 <Kjazhed-Uhl> On TFN
21:51 <LI> .........
21:51 <Dunc> Heh.
21:51 <RF> Ha.
21:51 <Scoke> Oh gosh.
21:51 <Scoke> I didn't see that, what did she say?
21:51 <LI> Egads.
21:51 <Kjazhed-Uhl> Traviss apparently looked at her like she was crazy.
21:51 * Kjazhed-Uhl goes to look for that post.
21:51 <LI> I would too.
21:51 <RF> :p
21:51 <RF> Next time: We crush the Grievous/Shaak Ti shippers.
21:51 <LI> Yes.
21:51 <Scoke> That sounds about right. The whole 0_o thing.
21:52 <LI> So, how long do you want to bet until we see Boba/Jaina?
21:52 <Havac> Grievous/Shaak Ti? Can we crush Grievous/San Hill first?
21:52 <LI> *Snort*
21:52 <RF> :p
21:52 <LI> I dearly hope that does *not* exist.
21:52 <RF> Oh ho ho.
21:52 <Havac> Well, it's like five people. But it exists.
21:53 <RF> :p
21:53 <Horsey> Corran is sexy
21:53 <LI> Little stranger, still not completely out there.
21:53 <Havac> Yeah.
21:54 <Havac> Oh, it's still out there.
21:54 <LI> Better than Jabba.
21:54 <Scoke> ROFL
21:54 <LI> I see.
21:54 <RF> Oh, I'm sure there are *scores* of fangirls after that Jabba fellow.
21:54 <RF&