Tempest Chat
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20:00 <dgxxx> its Tempest time?
20:00 <Dunc> TIME
20:00 <Dunc> CHAT IS BEGUN
20:00 <mandalore55> oh yeah!
20:01 <dgxxx> :D
20:01 <McEwok> Wahoo!
20:01 <Dunc> More folks will show up. Usually. :D
20:01 <Dunc> Okay, any thoughts on characterization this time around?
20:01 *** Dunc changes topic to `Tempest: Characterization`
20:01 <dgxxx> ehm. havent read the book :(
20:02 <McEwok> I kinda liked it...
20:02 <Dunc> Well then, prepare for spoilers
20:02 <mandalore55> I liked i
20:02 <mandalore55> I meant it
20:02 <dgxxx> no problem
20:02 <McEwok> Mara and Luke were back on the ball... Han, Leia, Jaina and Zekk could have stepped right out of Betrayal...
20:02 <McEwok> Jacen and Ben were *different*, but still logical.
20:03 <dgxxx> why?
20:03 <McEwok> Different why?
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20:03 <dgxxx> yeah
20:03 <dgxxx> Hello Havac
20:03 <Havac> Yo
20:04 <dgxxx> whats up
20:04 <fsevra> red hair. why does she have to have red hair...
20:05 <Dunc> Some have complained that Ben seemed... not as smart.
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20:05 <mandalore55> I didn't like what Han and Leia did in Tempest, I think they should pick a side in the war already
20:05 <Dunc> But we never really got in his head...
20:05 <Dunc> Han and Leia I'm finding... I don't know.
20:05 <Havac> They've already picked a side: Corellian damage control
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20:06 <mandalore55> If Tenel Ka died it would have strengthed Correlia's position, they should have supported it
20:06 <dgxxx> the will choose the Corellian side
20:06 <Dunc> O RLY
20:07 <Dunc> (Okay, sorry.)
20:07 <McEwok> TK represents the best in the Alliance...
20:07 <mandalore55> what did you think about the naming of the GAG star destroyer
20:07 <McEwok> Ben was *hillariously* thirteen...
20:07 <dgxxx> they cant be in the same side with Jacen
20:07 <Dunc> I can see their point on the Tenel thing. Her death was too high a price.
20:07 <McEwok> Jacen has a complex?
20:07 <Dunc> Jacen has complexi
20:07 <dgxxx> the Anakin SOlo?
20:08 <Dunc> His fetishization of his dear, dead brother...
20:08 <mandalore55> haha
20:08 <mandalore55> Han seemed pretty mad when he heard
20:08 <dgxxx> haha
20:08 <Dunc> Anakin Solo seems an awkward name to me
20:08 <Dunc> The Anakin, now...
20:09 <dgxxx> Jacen could name a sport park ro something like that not a SD!
20:09 <dgxxx> Its a regular Star Destroyer?
20:10 <mandalore55> yeah
20:10 <Dunc> Oh, and they still build Star Destroyers?
20:10 <Dunc> What's up with that?
20:10 <mandalore55> don't know
20:10 <mandalore55> they introduced a new kind of capital ship in Betrayal
20:10 <dgxxx> if its a great ship, why not?
20:11 <mandalore55> I think it was called a Galactic Class Star Destroyer or something like that
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20:11 <s65horsey> howdy!
20:12 <McEwok> Hey!
20:12 <dgxxx> hello!
20:12 <Dunc> I don't know anything about ship classes or any of that, but it seems that they might want to... discontinue... building SDs.
20:12 <Marasiah> *waves* Howdy!
20:12 <McEwok> belatedly: complices...
20:12 <mandalore55> Its still better than a Hapan Battle Dragon, those things stink
20:12 <McEwok> Dunc, the "new" battle carrier in _Betrayal_ is (probably) just a modification of the ISD design...
20:12 <fsevra> We know they don't, though
20:12 <dgxxx> Hapan Battle Dragon??
20:13 <Dunc> ehh
20:13 <Havac> I thoughtthe ANi was a modified ISD
20:13 <McEwok> The Ani is a modified ISD.
20:13 <Havac> there we go
20:13 <McEwok> Which could just mean a battle carrier.
20:13 <McEwok> But certainly, the GFFA is building ISD variants as its big ships.
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20:14 <fsevra> There's Pellaeon in Legacy...
20:15 <Dunc> Well, Legacy, it's an Empire
20:15 <dgxxx> any hint in Tempest of what will happen next?
20:16 <Dunc> There's an Exile excerpt
20:16 <Dunc> Shipper-taunting
20:16 <dgxxx> well besides that.. hehe
20:16 <mandalore55> The Hutts are going to join Corellia
20:16 <Dunc> As are the Bothans...
20:16 <mandalore55> along with the Bothans, and maybe the mandos
20:16 <mandalore55> Now that'd be a good war
20:16 <dgxxx> the GFFA vs the galaxy
20:17 <mandalore55> Jagged Fel will probably have a large part in Exile
20:17 <mandalore55> after all, he is exiled
20:17 <jasa> i hope jag has a large part
20:17 <McEwok> That could be misunderstood.
20:17 <mandalore55> me too
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20:17 <Dunc> I actually found Jag interesting
20:18 <mandalore55> Jag is cool
20:18 <Dunc> We'll see if it lasts
20:18 <McEwok> Jag has always been interesting.
20:18 <mandalore55> I could see him taking out Alema
20:18 <mandalore55> and maybe gettin with Jaina
20:18 <McEwok> Feh. You're getting apathetic towards your apathy now Dunc...
20:18 <McEwok> We can but hope.
20:18 <Dunc> I'm more fickle than you are, Ewok
20:18 <McEwok> I liked Zekk here, though - better than before.
20:19 <Dunc> I've been cool with Zekk since Allston
20:19 <mandalore55> I thought Ben was going to kill him
20:19 <Dunc> I really like the idea of him as Ben's new master... At least for a while.
20:19 <jasa> me too
20:19 <Dunc> But it'll end up as Kyp, I think.
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20:19 <mandalore55> what about Corran Horn
20:19 <Dunc> HELLS NO
20:19 <Dunc> The less Corran, the better
20:20 <mandalore55> he's alright
20:20 <Dunc> He's an ass
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20:20 <Havac> The more Corran the better!
20:20 <mandalore55> I won't go that far
20:20 <CoolKeith> hey
20:20 <jasa> i like corran.
20:20 <mandalore55> He'd be a good fight for Jacen when he goes Dark
20:21 <mandalore55> so would Kyp
20:21 <Dunc> Good, let's make Corran the scarifice.
20:21 <dgxxx> maybe Kyp will fight Jacen to help Jaina
20:21 <CoolKeith> I think Corran or Kyp will sacrifice themselves to slow down Jacen as he goes to kill Jaina
20:21 <Trip> Jacen can't kill Corran. He has the power of Force Mistaken Death, but only when Stackie's writing.
20:21 <Dunc> That I could see...
20:22 <McEwok> I could see Ben killing Kyp, causing a schism between him and Jaina
20:22 <mandalore55> If Ben killed Kyp Jaina would kill him
20:22 <Havac> WHy would Ben kill Kyp?
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20:22 <mandalore55> maybe's he talked bad about Jacen in front of him
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20:23 <dgxxx> why would Ben will some of the "good " guys?
20:23 <jasa> or Jacen told him to
20:23 <McEwok> 'zactly - if Ben percieves Kyp as an enemy...
20:23 <mandalore55> Ben's too weak to kill anybody right now
20:23 <mandalore55> maybe in the next series
20:23 <McEwok> He gutted Zekk
20:23 <mandalore55> yeah that was pretty funny
20:24 <McEwok> Ben is pretty determined...
20:24 <Dunc> They also need to get rid of Ben's apprentice braid...
20:24 <Dunc> Some things from the prequels need to STAY in the prequels...
20:24 <dgxxx> and well.. Ben is Kryat,no?
20:24 <Havac> Ben's perception is screwed up, but I don't think he'll be killing anyone he knows. Pulling a saber and trying to arrest them, but whacking their head off seems a bit far.
20:25 <McEwok> Perhaps it's meant to make us concerned...
20:25 <mandalore55> I wish Han and Leia would die already
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20:25 <mandalore55> how many times can they escape sudden death unscatherd?
20:25 <Dunc> Dude, it's STAR WARS.
20:25 <mandalore55> I know, but still
20:25 <jasa> And the author who kills a big three would get death threats... j/k
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20:26 <mandalore55> R.A. Salvatore killed Chewbacca
20:26 <mandalore55> he got death threats
20:26 <mandalore55> not from me mind you...
20:27 <Dunc> Salvatore didn't deserve death threats, but that book was bad for reasons above and beyond Chewie getting mooned.
20:27 <mandalore55> the ending sucked in that book
20:27 <Dunc> I think they'd kill them off in a standalone or a series starter.
20:27 <Dunc> Because they'd get MASSIVE publicity for it.
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20:27 <mandalore55> yeah
20:28 <Dunc> Anyway, Tempest?
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20:28 <Dunc> Oh, great, the calvary has arrived. :P
20:28 <Rohniss> avast matey
20:28 <mandalore55> I thought Luke should have figured out who Allana's dad is
20:28 <Dunc> Did he even see Allana?
20:29 <mandalore55> no, but he figured it out while talking to Mara
20:29 <Dunc> I thought she's turn out a brunette. :(
20:29 <fsevra> How would he do that?
20:29 <fsevra> She looks nothing like Jacen
20:29 <Dunc> True.
20:29 <fsevra> and just like Tenel
20:29 <fsevra> which is unrealistic
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20:29 <mandalore55> Ben has seen her
20:29 <Dunc> I wonder if... Force signmatures or something... might give it away
20:29 <Dunc> The Noghri would know.
20:29 <mandalore55> could be
20:29 <mandalore55> the Noghri are dead
20:29 <Dunc> Maybe that's why they were killed off
20:30 <mandalore55> boom.. and goodbye
20:30 <Havac> Wait, Allana's a redhead now? Damn.
20:30 <fsevra> nobody seems to care...
20:30 <fsevra> grey eyes too
20:30 <Dunc> They had less lines than Kyle Katarn
20:30 <StarNeptune> I expected her to at least have brown eyes
20:30 <mandalore55> when'd the book say her eye color?
20:30 <fsevra> I mean, it was bad enough making Ben a redhead..
20:30 <fsevra> so I have heard
20:31 <Dunc> Well, I do think she has Leia's nose.
20:31 <fsevra> it's on the Wookiee, I haven't confirmed.
20:31 <Dunc> 'button nose' gray eyes, red hair. That's all we know.
20:31 <StarNeptune> It's real...they describe her red hair and grey eyes in the book
20:31 <Havac> They couldn't come up with a little creativity?
20:32 <Dunc> Oh, come on. If Hayden and Nat can give birth to Mark and Carrie, then Allana can be the very picture of her mother. ;)
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20:32 <StarNeptune> I mean, I was expecting red hair, brown eyes, or brown hair and grey eyes, but not of her being a clone of her mother
20:33 <Dunc> It's all that royal inbreeding.
20:33 <mandalore55> not going there
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20:34 <StarNeptune> I suppose...Ta'a Chume and Teneneil were redheads, too
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20:35 <dgxxx> Allana do anything in the book?
20:35 <Dunc> She stuns Aurra Stand
20:35 <Dunc> whatever her last name is
20:35 <mandalore55> that was a pretty good fight
20:35 <Dunc> Sang
20:35 <mandalore55> Sing not Sang
20:36 <Dunc> whatever
20:36 <mandalore55> yeah
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20:39 <Dunc> So, Aurra Sing.
20:39 <dgxxx> yeah.. old woman
20:39 <Dunc> Good or bad idea to bring her back?
20:39 <mandalore55> bad
20:39 <dgxxx> she is going to stay in LOTF?
20:39 <mandalore55> could have had anybody go after Tenel Ka
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20:39 <mandalore55> she's in jail right now
20:39 <Dunc> I suppose it was better than bring someone in from nowhere...
20:40 <mandalore55> maybe
20:40 <Dunc> But... I dunno. It seemed gratitous.
20:40 <mandalore55> The Corellian leaders are all backstabbers in the series
20:40 <Havac> THey should have made a new assassin for the next generation
20:40 <Dunc> They could have brought Fett and Mirta in on that. Not that I'm any fonder of them...
20:41 <mandalore55> Fett doesn't miss a bounty
20:41 <dgxxx> maybe this was the intro the Aurra leaves her legacy to a new one
20:41 <Dunc> They should have done that in a sideline standalone, then brought someone new...
20:42 <Dunc> Give Aurra another comic or something, keep her out of the mainline series.
20:42 <mandalore55> yeah
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20:45 <dgxxx> well she is in jail she cant do a lot there
20:45 <mandalore55> you think Lumiya is dead?
20:45 <Rohniss> doubtful
20:46 <pretty_d> no way
20:46 <nogri> Nope
20:46 <Rohniss> Old Rule of Comic Books: You dont see a body, they aint dead
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20:47 <Havac> She's not dead.
20:47 <Havac> They already killed off Thrackan and Jacen doesn't have enough direction on his own to be a villain.
20:47 <mandalore55> If she'd died it would be better for the series, because the other sith would step forward
20:48 <Rohniss> the other Sith cant step forward
20:48 <mandalore55> why not?
20:48 <Rohniss> they need to remain vague so Dark Horse can go along with thier plans wihtout bieng constrianed
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20:48 <McEwok> Hello?
20:48 <mandalore55> oh...
20:49 <Rohniss> IE the other Sith is Darth Krayt and wont be seen in LOTF
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20:49 <Dunc> Plus Lumiya has the baggage
20:49 <mandalore55> I haven't read Legacy so I don't know
20:49 <McEwok> Is someon who's not me logging this?
20:49 <Dunc> Yeah.
20:49 <McEwok> :D
20:49 <Rohniss> Dunc always does
20:49 <Rohniss> Nazi
20:49 <McEwok> Moff
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20:49 <dgxxx> Darth Krayt will not be in LOTF
20:49 <Havac> Problems, McE?
20:49 <Rohniss> thats what I said..
20:50 <Rohniss> But i believe that thats who Lumiya was alluding to with Alema
20:50 <NewAgeYankee> hello
20:50 <mandalore55> well Alema is kinda a Sith
20:50 <Rohniss> Dark Jedi
20:50 <mandalore55> those are about the same
20:50 <McEwok> Connection flakes...
20:50 <Rohniss> not really
20:51 <NewAgeYankee> i'd argue more of adept if anything sithly
20:51 <Rohniss> Emporer = Sith/ Yun = Dark Jedi
20:51 <McEwok> Alema = Jedi.
20:51 <mandalore55> they're both dark side
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20:52 <Rohniss> which means little in the end
20:52 <NewAgeYankee> Alema's got some great potential in Legacy
20:52 <Rohniss> Normal People can be Dark Side according to I, Jedi
20:52 <mandalore55> never read it
20:52 <Dunc> Hey, remember the knots? What did the third one say?
20:52 <mandalore55> its on the wookiepedia
20:52 <NewAgeYankee> but she's not really anywhere on sith hierachy she's just interested in using the sith to carry out her vendetta against Leia
20:53 <mandalore55> he will choose the fate of the weak
20:53 <Dunc> ahh
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20:53 <Rohniss> whats the 4th one say
20:53 <mandalore55> or the alternative order is he will immortalize his love
20:53 <McEwok> The knots are a continuity mess...
20:54 <mandalore55> yeah according to them Jacen will make a Sith Beast
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20:54 <McEwok> A 'pet'...
20:54 <Rohniss> return of the Terenattak FTW
20:54 <Havac> Alema could be the pet
20:55 <Dunc> I agree
20:55 <DarthChess> it'd be funny if Krayt was the beast but impossible
20:55 <Rohniss> Jacen shapes Alema..
20:55 <Rohniss> interesting Idea
20:55 <Rohniss> just popped in the head
20:56 <Kyppy> The "pet" was Nelani
20:56 <mandalore55> how?
20:56 <mandalore55> he killed her
20:56 <Rohniss> Nelani is dead. we saw the body
20:56 <Kyppy> Lumiya says something implying that in betrayel
20:56 <SharpesRevenge> no Nelani was the catalyst to providing the readers an early example of how far Jacen will go
20:56 <mandalore55> yeah
20:56 <Kyppy> Ben could be the pet!
20:56 <mandalore55> maybe Ben
20:57 <mandalore55> or Anakin's old girlfriend
20:57 <mandalore55> whatever her name is
20:57 <dgxxx> Tahiri?
20:57 <mandalore55> yeah
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20:57 <mandalore55> she is close to the darkside
20:58 <Rohniss> doubtful, unless there is a major chance in Tempest, the authors seem to be ignoring the Dagobah Three
20:58 <McEwok> Jacen *wants* her, just like he's named his Vader-armoured phallic compensator after Anakin himself...
20:58 <McEwok> Nahh...
20:58 <SharpesRevenge> Don't think Ben's going to be the pet though I wouldn't count him out as Krayt
20:58 <Rohniss> *grabs Kar98* Mce thats enough..
20:58 <dgxxx> Ben will be the apprentice,the pet will be Alema or Tahiri, i would like Tahiri she has some Vongness
20:58 <Dunc> Alema is Krayt!
20:58 <McEwok> Tahiri was in Betrayal; Lowie and Tesar are a wing-pair in Tempest...
20:58 <McEwok> Hah!!
20:58 <McEwok> Krayt has yorik-coral in him...
20:59 <McEwok> Which suggests a YV slave.
20:59 <mandalore55> who the hell is Krayt?
20:59 <McEwok> Three real Jedi candidates...
20:59 <Rohniss> Krayt= Teh Ganner
20:59 <Rohniss> you know its true
20:59 <SharpesRevenge> KMratys the big bad sith from the new legacy comics
20:59 <mandalore55> never read it
20:59 <McEwok> Krayt = Sith Master in the Legacy comics, 100 years after Legacy.
20:59 <mandalore55> ok
20:59 <McEwok> Is supposed to be around already in the LotF timeframe.
20:59 <jasa> i cant find the legacy comics anywhere near me :(
20:59 <SharpesRevenge> not much of master, Bane chewed him out
21:00 <Rohniss> just wait fro the TPB like Me
21:00 <SharpesRevenge> i don't know about the rest of you but I was a bit put off by Denning's characterization of Wedge
21:00 <mandalore55> yeah, he minimized him
21:01 <Dunc> Wedge was in the book for like 5 seconds
21:01 <Rohniss> Allston will fixie fixie next book
21:01 <Rohniss> Allston loves Wedge
21:01 <pretty_d> i have the legacy comics sitting on my floor. i keep meaning to open them...
21:01 <dgxxx> so how is LOTF till now?
21:01 <SharpesRevenge> yes he does love Wedge
21:01 <SharpesRevenge> and i want more Syal
21:01 <Rohniss> I havent read Tempest yet, though it is in my posession, I like it thus far
21:01 <Dunc> LOTF is holding my interest
21:01 <SharpesRevenge> she's the most interesting new character to pop up in the series so far
21:02 <mandalore55> yep
21:02 <Dunc> Which is WAY more than I could say of the NJO at this point
21:02 <Rohniss> even though the Plot seems extremely logical to me.
21:02 <Rohniss> Damn Right Dunc
21:02 <mandalore55> no... the new Corellian leader is cool
21:02 <SharpesRevenge> and someone needs to tell Traviss to follow continuity of the other books and stopping with her clone/mando Boba lovefest
21:02 <Rohniss> NJO = Trainwreck from VP on.
21:02 <Dunc> Yeah, Salvatore started it off with a whimper
21:02 <jasa> I have to wait until after this semester ends to read Tempest.
21:03 <SharpesRevenge> Tempest was a good read
21:03 <Rohniss> then Del Rey said, " I know how to fix a trainwreck, lets keep sending more Trains !"
21:03 <SharpesRevenge> love Denning's use of Allana
21:03 <Dunc> NJO is a train...
21:03 <jasa> only 11 more days!
21:03 <mandalore55> NJO was good
21:03 <Dunc> Could be considered a Dune homage (Alia)
21:03 <Rohniss> A train I wish I had enough C4 to derail
21:03 <jasa> the only thing i liked about NJO was Jag.
21:03 <SharpesRevenge> NJO was hit or miss
21:04 <jasa> Now there's a guy I wish was real
21:04 <Dunc> NJO was a swamp. Some decent stuff, but it all comes down to... swamp
21:04 <SharpesRevenge> it had its good Dark Tide's SBS, DW, TUF
21:04 <McEwok> NJO was chaos.
21:04 <Dunc> Even the good authors got mired in it
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21:04 <SharpesRevenge> and of course Traitor
21:04 <Havac> I loved NJO. Sue me.
21:04 <McEwok> Make of that what you will
21:04 <dgxxx> im listening the NJO i like it!
21:04 <Rohniss> which was the worst piece of trash
21:04 <Rohniss> Traitor that was
21:04 <mandalore55> Ganner died like a man in NJO
21:04 <SharpesRevenge> and it had its bad mainly BP and DJ thank god they didn't let Traviss near the NJO
21:04 <Dunc> Traitor was one of the few that really worked for me
21:04 <McEwok> NJO = Pynchoneseque Star Wars novel...
21:05 <Rohniss> Continuity F-up from page 1
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21:05 <Dunc> And a lot of that was that it didn't hopscotch all around the galaxy
21:05 <mandalore55> what's wrong with Traviss? she's a good writer
21:05 <mandalore55> as long as you don't mind mandos
21:05 <SharpesRevenge> she's a good writer
21:05 <jasa> Traviss sucks at characterizations
21:05 <Dunc> Read the NJO redux thread in Lit, manda
21:05 <SharpesRevenge> but i don't like mando's and her continuity is awful
21:05 <dgxxx> hey she made me care abot bobba
21:05 <jasa> Mara in Bloodlines was just wrong
21:05 <mandalore55> everybody put on fox now
21:05 <mandalore55> hurry
21:05 <Dunc> Traviss is okay with some stuff.
21:05 <SharpesRevenge> agreed Jasa
21:05 <DarthChess> What do you think Kyp Duron is doing and how does he die if he isn't krayt ? (Haven't been able to read any recent books)
21:06 <Dunc> Other stuff... not so much.
21:06 <DarthChess> (j/k ing about krayt)
21:06 <Dunc> I like Kyp. A very weird thing to come out of the NJO for me
21:06 <SharpesRevenge> Allston and Denning seem to be on the same page
21:06 <Dunc> Denning runs 50/50 with me
21:06 <SharpesRevenge> its Traviss who needs to get a clue that this a series where the books have got to jive for the series to work
21:06 <jasa> I shudder to think what Traviss does next. I don't think I could read another pathetic Mara scene. Where's my booty-kicking lady?
21:07 <Rohniss> Traviss is a superb author when allowed to write her own story, with her own characters.
21:07 <Rohniss> She wasnt the best choice for a series though
21:07 <Dunc> I'm a little worried about him doing the last lap, though. DN started good but really petered out
21:07 <SharpesRevenge> would have been better with Stackpole or Stover
21:07 <Rohniss> Stover should never write again
21:07 <Rohniss> in the EU
21:07 <Havac> ROhniss, take your meds
21:07 <mandalore55> what about Luceno
21:07 <SharpesRevenge> least Stackpole would have jived with Allston and Denning
21:07 <Dunc> Nah, give him stand-alones
21:08 <Dunc> Stackpole would have worked, but then we'd have Corran instead of Fett. :D
21:08 <SharpesRevenge> Stover was great
21:08 <Rohniss> at creating Contiunity F-ups
21:08 <SharpesRevenge> I like Corran
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21:08 <Dunc> I'm not sure which I dread more.
21:08 <mandalore55> Fett's better than Horn Fett rules
21:08 <McEwok> Rohniss - how so?
21:08 <McEwok> Corran is more fun.
21:08 <Rohniss> "there is no Darkside"
21:08 <McEwok> Stackpole tortures Corran...
21:08 <Rohniss> hello stover, lets watch the films shall we
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21:09 <SharpesRevenge> plus you get Mirax and Booster with Corran
21:09 <Dunc> Boba Fett is fanboy bait. Don't see the appeal. Don't really dislike him, just... don't care
21:09 <McEwok> Rohniss - again, how so?
21:09 <mandalore55> what??
21:09 <Rohniss> I also dislike Fett the more I hear about him
21:09 <mandalore55> Fett is amazing he leads the greatest warriors in the galaxy
21:09 <Rohniss> he was better when he was a badass looking background character
21:09 <Dunc> Mandos, meh.
21:09 <Rohniss> Mandos are like France
21:09 <McEwok> If it had been Stackpole, we'd have had Corran vs. a young, blonde enemy double agent
21:09 <Rohniss> they act like thier big and bad
21:10 <Rohniss> then get thier asses whipped
21:10 <SharpesRevenge> thinking of the Horns where the heck has Valin gone off to he's only like 4 years younger then Jacen and Jaina
21:10 <mandalore55> mandos rule that's it
21:10 <McEwok> Rohniss - ungrateful American.
21:10 <mandalore55> hahah
21:10 <Havac> Valin's in EU limbo with all the other non-Solowalkers
21:10 <Rohniss> Yeah im ungrateful
21:10 <SharpesRevenge> its that blasted telekinisis
21:10 <Rohniss> we bailed them out in WWII
21:10 <Rohniss> then they stick us with thier problems in Vietnam
21:10 <Dunc> Valin wasn't in YJK. If he was, he'd get a cover.
21:11 <mandalore55> tell me about it
21:11 <Dunc> Okay, okay, lay off France. Wrong chat room
21:11 <McEwok> Rohniss - take it outside.
21:11 <McEwok> They *made* your country. Be grateful.
21:11 <McEwok> ;)
21:11 <SharpesRevenge> switching gears, new and improved Jag Fel
21:11 <Rohniss> I would really love to respond to that
21:11 <McEwok> But, back to Star Wars - what's your beef with Stover.
21:11 <DarthChess> Krayt is for certain a he correct?
21:12 *** Dunc changes topic to `Jagged Fel`
21:12 <McEwok> Looks that way, yep.
21:12 <mandalore55> Fel rules
21:12 <McEwok> Jagged Fel is Darth Krayt!!
21:12 <Dunc> oye vey
21:12 <mandalore55> hopefully he gets back with Jaina
21:12 <Rohniss> not going to respond to Ships
21:12 * McEwok likes the idea of Jag and Jaina
21:13 <Dunc> I'm cool with Jag and Jaina
21:13 <SharpesRevenge> then we can have the Fel dynasty
21:13 <DarthChess> Jania should not have kids no matter what
21:13 <dgxxx> why?
21:13 <jasa> Yay J/J!
21:13 <Dunc> Who's Jania?
21:13 <dgxxx> must be Jainas clone
21:13 <SharpesRevenge> and if Jaina and Jag do get together i wouldn't want to get in a dogfight with that child
21:13 <mandalore55> yep
21:14 <Rohniss> your assuming piloting skill is inherited not learned
21:14 <SharpesRevenge> Solowalker and Antilles/Fel bloodlines
21:14 <Rohniss> its learned
21:14 <mandalore55> The Chiss should get involved more in the series
21:14 <Havac> I'm cool with Jag/anyoneso lang as we get him back
21:14 <jasa> Jag crashed early on - learned.
21:14 <Dunc> but the traits that make onbe a good pilot... in heirited
21:14 <dgxxx> some people are predtermined to learn some things quickly
21:14 <Trip> I just want to hear about how the Fel dynasty got off the ground
21:14 <mandalore55> easy
21:14 <Dunc> I bet it's their kid, not Jag himself
21:15 <mandalore55> Jag and Jaina got busy
21:15 <jasa> Fel I = ?
21:15 <SharpesRevenge> the chiss involved with the Corellian's Wedge and one of Thrawns protege's sticking it to Niathal and B'Watu
21:15 <Rohniss> thats assuming that all the Thraaawns are dead
21:16 <mandalore55> not all the Thrawns are dead
21:16 <mandalore55> Zahn's writing another book for a Thrawn clone
21:16 <dgxxx> what will be the inciendiary big thing that will happen in LOTF?
21:16 <Rohniss> Luke DIES
21:16 <Dunc> Manda - no, he's not
21:16 <Rohniss> and good riddance
21:16 <dgxxx> Luke dies? i dont think so
21:16 <mandalore55> Luke sucks
21:16 <Havac> Incendiary? han leaves Leia for Lowbacca
21:16 <Dunc> The Thrawn clone thing was a question at C3
21:17 <SharpesRevenge> Corellia ambushes the Niathal and she screams "ITS A TRAP"
21:17 <mandalore55> yeah
21:17 <mandalore55> anybodygoing to C4?
21:17 <Dunc> And he said IF he was to revisit Thrawn... but there's no contract. Thank GOD.
21:17 * Dunc likes Zahn, but is sick of Thrawn.
21:17 <Rohniss> I'd rather hear more about Thrawn and the Chiss than the Clones
21:17 <Rohniss> and the Mandoes
21:17 <Dunc> I'll be at C4
21:17 <mandalore55> I'm going to
21:17 <SharpesRevenge> yeah no more clone/mandos
21:17 <Trip> I'd rather hear about neither.
21:18 <mandalore55> less clones more mandos
21:18 <jasa> I wish I could go. Can't afford it.
21:18 <SharpesRevenge> banish Karen Traviss to wherever they banished Kevin J Anderson
21:18 <Dunc> I don't mind clone/mandos as long as it's something I can ignore.
21:18 <Rohniss> Zahns also a better writer than the rest of the EU authors
21:18 <Rohniss> hes the only one who doesnt overblow the Jedi and the Force, if only we could get him off Thrawn
21:18 <mandalore55> Zahn is the best
21:18 <Rohniss> only Allston and Stackpole come close
21:18 <Dunc> Zahn is very dry, but it works fort him
21:19 <mandalore55> with Denning as 2
21:19 <Rohniss> but Stackpole has Corran which is almost as bad as thrawn
21:19 <SharpesRevenge> plus Zahn along with Stackpole and a lesser extent Allston were the first Star Wars authors to begin to bring all their work together in a cohesive continuity
21:19 <Trip> I'd rather Zahn be put out to pasture following Allegiance, personally. He's said his peice; it's time for new blood.
21:19 <Rohniss> 000, Zahn or Traviss
21:19 <Rohniss> pick one :D
21:19 <mandalore55> Traviss is fine
21:19 <Trip> Zahn, duh.
21:19 <Dunc> I'd like more Allston - Betrayl showed he could balance all the elements
21:19 <SharpesRevenge> Zahn
21:19 <Rohniss> I thought so :p
21:19 <SharpesRevenge> Betrayal was fanatastic
21:19 <mandalore55> Allston is good, but Denning is better
21:20 <SharpesRevenge> it felt like Star Wars
21:20 <Dunc> Denning is inconsistant
21:20 <SharpesRevenge> same goes with Tempest
21:20 <dgxxx> ehm.. Darth Vectivus was involved in Tempest?:S
21:20 <Rohniss> I dont forgive Denning for DNT yet
21:20 <jasa> Allston is basically my fave EU writer
21:20 <Rohniss> it was alright but not that good, could have been much better
21:20 <McEwok> Dunc - how so?
21:20 <SharpesRevenge> Bloodlines had its moments but it was inconsistent and didn't have a star wars feel
21:20 * McEwok is curious
21:20 <Trip> Why, Rohniss? He undid the potentium stuff.
21:20 <Rohniss> Power of the Jedi did that
21:20 <nogri> Bloodlines had to much Fett in it
21:20 <Rohniss> *the same source that INTRODUCED IT*
21:21 <mandalore55> there's no thing as too much Fett
21:21 <Dunc> Well, before DN - SbS and TG. TG was good - SbS was a mess, bursting at the seams.
21:21 <Trip> There is when Traviss is writing. : P
21:21 <Rohniss> yeah
21:21 <Rohniss> I'm sick of Fett/Clones/Mandoes
21:21 <Rohniss> move on.
21:21 <SharpesRevenge> SBS was overlong
21:21 <mandalore55> back to Jag
21:21 <mandalore55> you think he kills Alema?
21:21 <SharpesRevenge> but I did enjoy from the Myrkrr mission onward
21:21 <Dunc> DN.,.. started good. Petered on.
21:22 <McEwok> Dunc - that's just NJapathy
21:22 <nogri> Jag working with Palleaon?
21:22 <Dunc> When Denning is on, he's on. When he's off... well, he's not KJA by a long shot, but...
21:22 <Rohniss> My problem with the EU is that the same story could be told much better with fewer words
21:22 <McEwok> Could it?
21:22 <Dunc> Ewok - maybe
21:22 <SharpesRevenge> thats the story of the NJO
21:22 <SharpesRevenge> overlong and contrived at times
21:22 <Rohniss> they drag things out and introduce to many unresolved plots
21:22 <Trip> DN, at least, could probably have been trimmed down to a duology or standalone
21:22 <McEwok> Accident or design, I *like* the lack of resolution...
21:23 <mandalore55> yeah in NJO the INsiders plot was never resolved
21:23 <dgxxx> the Myrkrr mission can be a excelent game level
21:23 <Rohniss> When you look up Dues Ex Machina: you see Zonoma Sekot
21:23 <SharpesRevenge> yeah the insiders and most of Enemy Lines stuff got shunted off by the other authors
21:24 <SharpesRevenge> though any opportunity to bring back Face and Kell is fine by me
21:24 <McEwok> I think the Insiders went into low-power standby during Destiny's Way, if memory serves.
21:24 <SharpesRevenge> now i want something more then just a company name as resolution to the Donos/Lara subplot
21:24 <McEwok> Now, of course, Wedge is serving as Corellian Chief-of-State...
21:25 <Dunc> NJO: Too many threads, too many plots, too many characters.
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21:25 <Trip> I alway figured the Insiders were behind the election rigging.
21:25 <McEwok> Well, we know that Kolot was still her co-pilot.
21:25 <SharpesRevenge> Omas should have left Wedge alone
21:25 <mandalore55> yep, drove him to the Corellians
21:25 <fsevra> nods
21:25 <fsevra> yep
21:25 <Trip> I highly doubt Omas had anything to do with Wedge's internment.
21:25 <McEwok> Dunc: it may explain something that I began reading the NJO on the back of _Mason & Dixon_...
21:25 <fsevra> so true...
21:26 <SharpesRevenge> let him write his memoirs and be with Iella
21:26 <McEwok> Trip: I think that was Niathal.
21:26 <SharpesRevenge> wonder if Niathal has an obsession with traps
21:26 <mandalore55> Omas should be ousted in a coup led by Jacen and Niathel
21:27 <Trip> Yeah, if it even went that high. I got the impression it was a screw up by some low-level intelligence officer.
21:27 <SharpesRevenge> and whatever happened to the irracible ewok
21:27 <McEwok> They stole his shuttle.
21:28 <SharpesRevenge> New Rep intelligence really needs Cracken back
21:28 <SharpesRevenge> or get Pash for the job
21:28 <Dunc> or Karrde...
21:28 <SharpesRevenge> him and Page could handle it
21:28 <McEwok> In Betrayal, Zekk is complaining because he's having to use Tarfang's seat on Kirney's ship...
21:28 <Trip> Is the Kraken even still alive?
21:28 <Dunc> Have we seen Karrde in LOTF?
21:28 <mandalore55> no
21:28 <McEwok> Nor Lando.
21:29 <SharpesRevenge> nope no Karrde or Lando
21:29 <Dunc> Maybe Mara and Luke should send Ben off to Uncle Talon...
21:29 <Trip> Kolot, not Tarfang.
21:29 <mandalore55> Lando was never good
21:29 <Trip> Unless I missed something.
21:29 <SharpesRevenge> must have found another get rich quick scheme
21:29 <Dunc> Learn the fine art of espionage...
21:29 <Rohniss> I never liked Lando either
21:29 <McEwok> Trip, no - my typo.
21:29 <fsevra> Lando was misused horribly
21:29 <Trip> Lando is, beleve it or not, one of my favorite characters.
21:29 <McEwok> Although Lando is selling YVH1s to the anti-GFFA people...
21:29 <Havac> Karrde as Chief of Intelligence would be great
21:29 <mandalore55> the YVH Droids are to strong
21:29 <Trip> And that's why I'm glad he hasn't yet appeared.
21:29 <mandalore55> Jaina and Zekk shouldn't have had any trouble with two
21:30 <Dunc> Ehh, lack of Lando doesn't bother me. I hope they only bring him in if they actually need him
21:30 <McEwok> Lando and Karrde could bring down Omas *and* Luke, you realise...
21:30 <Dunc> True
21:30 <McEwok> And if Lando's selling droids to Corellia and Ducha Galney
21:30 <Dunc> That could be fun. :D
21:30 <SharpesRevenge> speaking of tall dark and silent they finally pseudo resolved all the sexual tension between Jaina and Zekk
21:30 <Dunc> Of course, the YVHs could have been purchased via cover companies and the like
21:31 <Trip> Lando's a businessman; I doubt he has an alignment.
21:31 <Trip> Although he is Corellian.
21:31 <Rohniss> what sexual tension
21:31 <mandalore55> all the original characters are getting too old to fight
21:31 <pretty_d> hee
21:31 <Rohniss> they were childhood couple, Zekk still loves her, She doesnt love him.
21:31 <McEwok> Lando is still selling military stuff to non-Alliance people.
21:31 <McEwok> So she says.
21:31 <Rohniss> there is no tension, except that which the J/Z shippers try to dredge up
21:31 <mandalore55> Zekk is over Jaina now
21:32 <Trip> I wonder if they'll ever mention Corellia's many colonies...
21:32 <pretty_d> this fandom makes me feel bad about not caring about jaina's love live
21:32 <SharpesRevenge> wish the authors would just get together a decide what they want to do with Jaina
21:32 <Rohniss> I personally dont care one way or the other (J or Z)
21:33 <Rohniss> just not Kyp
21:33 <SharpesRevenge> she's all over the place
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21:33 <mandalore55> yep
21:33 <SharpesRevenge> has been since early NJO
21:33 <Dunc> Jaina has a harem
21:33 <SharpesRevenge> sometimes she's an interesting character
21:33 <namith> Is this the Tempest chat?
21:33 <Rohniss> Dunc has been looking at certian Fanart
21:33 <mandalore55> yep
21:33 <McEwok> Yes - hello!
21:33 <SharpesRevenge> othertimes she's just window dressing
21:33 <namith> Good
21:33 <SharpesRevenge> whatever happened to badass sword of the jedi
21:33 <namith> Yah I really wanted that to be developed
21:34 <jasa> me too
21:34 <mandalore55> yeah
21:34 <McEwok> The Swarm War split her up from Lowbacca.
21:34 <namith> although Denning mentioned it once in tempest, I think they might go with it this series
21:34 <Dunc> I think Jaina will be intrumental in whatever happens to Jacen
21:34 <McEwok> That was the problem...
21:34 <fsevra> nobody seems to be able to write female jedi...
21:34 <jasa> Jaina's been shoved aside
21:34 <Dunc> instrumental
21:34 <SharpesRevenge> she has to be instrumental
21:34 <mandalore55> Lowbacca's gone never coming back
21:34 <Rohniss> else shes another wasteed character, again.
21:34 <SharpesRevenge> if she and jacen get into a lightsaber duel watch all the Vong come out of the woodworks to place bets
21:35 <pretty_d> i want to see her fight jacen. but i'm waiting for everybody to fight jacen.
21:35 <namith> She did fight Jacen once in YJK
21:35 <mandalore55> Jacen can bet anybody
21:35 <namith> they were fairly evenly matched then
21:35 <mandalore55> he's the strongest
21:35 <Rohniss> I want Jacen to catch a high powered Verp to the head.
21:35 <namith> but now I think he would win
21:35 <Rohniss> thus forever setting that debate
21:35 <SharpesRevenge> Jacen doesn't need a lightsaber
21:35 <McEwok> Who shot down Vader?
21:35 <jasa> Jaina's more pilot than Jedi now. Jacen would win
21:35 <McEwok> Who killed Palpatine?
21:36 <SharpesRevenge> he's like Luke now he can beat people using only thew force
21:36 <namith> Vader killed Palpatine
21:36 <McEwok> Who's going to take out Jacen?
21:36 <Rohniss> That would be Han Solo
21:36 <namith> Jacen might not die
21:36 <Rohniss> Vader didnt kill Palpatine
21:36 <mandalore55> Jacen can't die
21:36 <Rohniss> Han and Brand killed Palps
21:36 <namith> but if he does it will most likely be ben who does it
21:36 <mandalore55> maybe Fett will take him out that's it
21:36 <dgxxx> BEn cant beat Jcen
21:36 <SharpesRevenge> I think Ben's going to take a stroll down the darkside
21:36 <namith> However, I don't think they'll want to kill another son of solo, so he'll likely survive
21:36 <jasa> never though of Ben killing Jacen. Ben would be squashed
21:37 <SharpesRevenge> we need a reason to put down the Skywalker dynasty
21:37 <namith> and ben has more raw potential than Jacen, if trained properly
21:37 <Rohniss> Ben will be 15 at the end of LOTF
21:37 <SharpesRevenge> Vergere was totally right about that
21:37 <Rohniss> far to young and inexperienced
21:37 <namith> the skywalker dynasty will never be put down
21:37 <Trip> I like the theory someone on TFN forewarded: Jacen commit suicide just to piss himself off.
21:37 <Trip> "will commit"
21:37 <Rohniss> thats the ONLY thing I agree with Verger on
21:37 <Rohniss> Skywalkers are a BAD thing
21:37 <mandalore55> yep
21:37 <namith> But they aren't going away
21:37 <Rohniss> Hopefully Cade is the last one
21:37 *** DarthChess signoff: Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)
21:37 <Rohniss> and dies before spawning
21:38 <namith> I doubt it
21:38 <namith> He'll most likely do it with blue
21:38 <Dunc> Skywalkers are the main reason some of us stick around...
21:38 <mandalore55> not me
21:38 <SharpesRevenge> i want more Corran
21:38 <Rohniss> I never liked Luke
21:38 <fsevra> suspicious of dynasties
21:38 <Rohniss> ever. from the begging
21:38 <namith> Luke was a whiner in the movies
21:38 <mandalore55> yep
21:38 <SharpesRevenge> and I want a Syal and Valin series of books
21:38 <Dunc> Luke is a dork. He grew on me in the books, though
21:38 <Rohniss> I hated Anakin
21:38 <fsevra> and "the next generation"
21:38 <Rohniss> what a bitch, Vader deserved better
21:38 <namith> which anakin?
21:38 <fsevra> because really, that never works out.
21:38 <Rohniss> the first one
21:39 <namith> yah he was an idiot
21:39 <mandalore55> Anakin Solo was awesome
21:39 <mandalore55> he might come back
21:39 <namith> Anakin Solo was my favorite character before he died
21:39 <Rohniss> I liked Lucas's first idea, Vader killed Lukes Father physically
21:39 <namith> he might come back as a ghost
21:39 <dgxxx> nope still dead :)
21:39 <mandalore55> he died in a cloning facility remember
21:39 <Rohniss> not spiritually
21:39 <McEwok> dgxxx: PPOR
21:39 <namith> to help Jacen redeem himself
21:39 <SharpesRevenge> yeah we had Darth Hothead(Anakin) and Darth Logic(Jacen)
21:39 <dgxxx> ?
21:40 <Rohniss> he wants you to prove
21:40 <Rohniss> Anakin is dead
21:40 <McEwok> Post Proof Or Retract
21:40 <SharpesRevenge> Anakin Solo is dead live withg it
21:40 <McEwok> :-P
21:40 <namith> He's been dead for over a decade
21:40 <mandalore55> nooo1
21:40 <Rohniss> McE still believes
21:40 <namith> They're not going to clone him, it's been too freaking long
21:40 <Rohniss> as does DP
21:40 <SharpesRevenge> Anakin would have gone to dark side faster then Jacen if he had lived
21:40 <SharpesRevenge> he was part of the Kyp teh Ganner camp of premptive action
21:40 <dgxxx> oh then.. Anakin lives in our hearts!
21:41 <namith> I think in LotF they need to kill one of the movie characters
21:41 <mandalore55> yep, Luke
21:41 <namith> Luke, I'm talking about you
21:41 <SharpesRevenge> i vote for Fett
21:41 <Trip> All of 'em. They need to kill all of 'em. Except for Lando.
21:41 <namith> One of the holy three
21:41 <mandalore55> no not Fett
21:41 <Dunc> Oh please, kill Fett
21:41 <Rohniss> I say kill em all
21:41 <McEwok> Taun We!!
21:41 <dgxxx> Fett will die!
21:41 <namith> They have to kill them sometime
21:41 <Rohniss> everyone from the Movies should be dead by the end of LOTF
21:41 <fsevra> they need to kill Fett
21:42 <Rohniss> I volunteer
21:42 <mandalore55> If Fett goes everybody should go
21:42 <Trip> I hope we get at least one inane death, too.
21:42 <SharpesRevenge> in the first page of next book so Traviss has to actually write about the plot and not Fett's troubles
21:42 * Dunc snorts
21:42 <Rohniss> not going to happen Sharp
21:42 <namith> Fett isn't going to die of old age
21:42 <namith> He's going to go out kicking ass
21:42 <Trip> Like choking on a piece of nerf steak, or slipping in the shower.
21:42 <mandalore55> Fett can't die
21:42 <Rohniss> Falling into Sarlaac
21:42 <namith> Like having a moon dropped onto him
21:42 <Rohniss> for the final time
21:43 <SharpesRevenge> Fett killing Thracken biggest buzzkill ending in ages\
21:43 <dgxxx> Fett will die tryning to kill Jacen
21:43 <namith> That's never happened before has it?
21:43 <McEwok> fett is going to get run over by a bantha and decapitated by Kyp
21:43 <SharpesRevenge> i wanted Han to finally give that toad his comeupance
21:43 <Trip> Yes, Fett needs to get eaten by a Sarlacc.
21:43 <mandalore55> Fett will die at Han's hands
21:43 <Rohniss> Or that thing that eats Sarlaacs
21:43 <Rohniss> what was it called
21:43 <Rohniss> the energy creature
21:43 <Trip> Some kind of dragon
21:43 <namith> Fett will die and his granddaughter will take over his legacy
21:43 <dgxxx> there is a thing that eat Sarlacs??
21:43 <Trip> The one from Aargonar, right?
21:43 <namith> not that I know of
21:44 <Rohniss> the one in Clone Wars..
21:44 <Rohniss> Last Stand on Jabiim I think
21:44 <SharpesRevenge> have the bugslut kill Fett and all the mandos so they are gone for good
21:44 <namith> Ah, never saw the cartoon
21:44 <fsevra> personally hopes they kill the granddaughter
21:44 <Rohniss> not the cartoon
21:44 <namith> Mandalorians have a chance to do something important
21:44 <mandalore55> yes they do
21:44 <namith> They only added in that detail about Fett because of KOTOR
21:44 <Dunc> okay, okay, enough bloodshed
21:44 <Dunc> MOVING ON
21:44 <Rohniss> theres never enough bloodshed
21:44 <namith> He wasn't Mandalore before KOTOR came out
21:44 <Rohniss> bring forth the guilutione
21:44 <mandalore55> Are they making a KOTOR 3?
21:45 <namith> yes
21:45 <Dunc> MOVING ON
21:45 <dgxxx> yes?
21:45 <Dunc> Um...
21:45 <namith> give us a topic if you want us to move on dunc
21:45 <Rohniss> Tempest people
21:45 * Dunc tries to think of topic
21:45 <Rohniss> not KOTOR3
21:45 <Dunc> Yes, Tempest
21:45 <SharpesRevenge> Allana
21:45 <namith> What about it?
21:45 <McEwok> Tenel Ka?
21:45 <namith> Allana could be incredibly powerful in the future
21:45 <Dunc> Tenel Ka and the Hapans...
21:45 <McEwok> "Hapes - it's good to be back"
21:45 <dgxxx> Tempest Cover?
21:45 <Trip> Starships! : P
21:45 <Rohniss> after Tempest Chat concludes I'll be on hand to do Amatuer History Hour
21:45 <namith> She is the daughter of the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy and another Jedi
21:46 *** Dunc changes topic to `Hapes `
21:46 <SharpesRevenge> and i hope they activate Allana's character shield before Traviss has another book
21:46 <fsevra> that shouldn't make her more powerful.
21:46 <Dunc> Sharpes...
21:46 <Dunc> Drop the Traviss hate
21:46 <namith> And she's female, so she can break the male domination that the SW universe has suffered for 30 years
21:46 <Rohniss> Allana or Tenel Ka or Leia will die by the end
21:46 <fsevra> okay, so I just dislike her because she's a redhead
21:46 <Rohniss> as part of the sacrifice
21:46 <namith> Why not Luke?
21:46 <fsevra> namith: no. Because authors can't write Jedi chicks well.
21:46 <Dunc> I think Allana's future could be interesting
21:46 <mandalore55> Tenel Ka will be Jacen's sacrifice
21:46 <namith> I know that fsevra, but they still need to do it
21:47 <SharpesRevenge> they have to protect Allana
21:47 <Rohniss> because Luke, wont die, no matter how much I want it to
21:47 <SharpesRevenge> she's so innocent
21:47 <fsevra> They'll just sideline her. You know it.
21:47 <namith> He has to die eventually
21:47 <Rohniss> thats the beauty of it
21:47 <Dunc> I can see her and Tenel Ka concocting a scheme to move Hapes away from absolute monarchy...
21:47 <Rohniss> to FINALLY SHOW BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, Jacen is DARK SIDE
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21:47 <SharpesRevenge> Legacy has at least forced them to have Luke at somepoint
21:47 <namith> Well Jacen is dark side
21:47 <SharpesRevenge> die*
21:47 <McEwok> There is no dark side.
21:47 <McEwok> There was good in Vader.
21:47 <Rohniss> thats it MCE
21:48 <namith> Yes there is, it's part of the larger whole of the force
21:48 <fsevra> Allana will just turn into more boyfriend angst...
21:48 <Rohniss> I'm coming for you
21:48 <McEwok> There was good in Palpatine
21:48 <Rohniss> BS palps was evil and loved it
21:48 <SharpesRevenge> Allana's to tough for the boyfriend angst
21:48 <SharpesRevenge> come on look at her Mother
21:48 <namith> The dark and light sides are two parts of the larger whole that is the force, and some people give themselves over more or less to either side
21:48 <McEwok> That doesn't mean there wasn't some spark of good in him, though...
21:48 <SharpesRevenge> she doesn't take guff from any Hapan noble
21:48 <namith> True power will be discovered when somebody takes the middle
21:48 <McEwok> It's just psychology...
21:49 <namith> should have been Jacen but he wimped out and went sith
21:49 <mandalore55> there are gray jedi
21:49 <namith> yah but they don't embrace the whole
21:49 <Rohniss> ohh god not this again.
21:49 <SharpesRevenge> Jennussari
21:49 <Rohniss> There is no Gray Side
21:49 <SharpesRevenge> they are grey
21:49 <namith> oh right them
21:49 <namith> but they don't do anything
21:49 <Rohniss> its just Dark and Light
21:49 <Dunc> Allana has a ton to consider re: boyfriend angst
21:49 <Trip> Gray Jedi have nothing to do with alignment. They just blow off the Council from time to time.
21:49 <fsevra> I'm not saying it should happen
21:49 <namith> You're far to close-minded to read SW EU rohniss. How did you ever get through NJO and DN?
21:49 <Rohniss> Correct Tip
21:49 <fsevra> only that it will
21:49 <SharpesRevenge> but whose been introduced for Allna to have boyfriend agnst
21:50 <namith> trip: you're confusing grey jedi with Qui-Gon
21:50 <namith> he was called that, but he wasn't really
21:50 <fsevra> Wait 'till she's YJK age...
21:50 <Rohniss> no hes not
21:50 * fsevra shrugs
21:50 <Trip> No, I'm not.
21:50 <fsevra> They're going to have to do something with the youth books.
21:50 <namith> The youth books?
21:50 <fsevra> They're already reaching pretty badly in Last of the Jedi.
21:50 <pretty_d> allana comes with the scariest inlaws ever
21:50 <fsevra> Probably time for a YJK 2
21:50 <SharpesRevenge> Allana books would rock
21:50 <SharpesRevenge> Yedi
21:50 <fsevra> with the new set of romantic interests
21:51 <mandalore55> haha
21:51 <fsevra> First they did Jacen and Jaina, then young Obi and Anakin, now Ferus Olin..
21:51 <namith> Please not more YJK
21:51 <fsevra> They're running out
21:51 <Dunc> For some reason I'm imagining Allana books as Jane Austen in space...
21:51 <Dunc> With more backstabbing
21:51 <SharpesRevenge> thats about right Dunc
21:51 <fsevra> At some point they'll hit post-Legacy.
21:51 <namith> I already had to read the first 14 or so of them to get the plot and character
21:51 <Dunc> comedy of manners
21:51 <Rohniss> ophh god, you just dredged up horrible childhood memories Dunc
21:51 <SharpesRevenge> and all those Hapan nobles
21:51 <Rohniss> curse YOU
21:51 <Dunc> haha
21:51 <namith> Post-legacy will take forever
21:52 <fsevra> I mean, seriously
21:52 <SharpesRevenge> she'll have plenty of boyfriends too choose
21:52 <namith> they have to go like 100 years in the future
21:52 <fsevra> how long do you think the Ferus Olin series will last?
21:52 <fsevra> As long as Jedi Apprentice?
21:52 <Trip> It'
21:52 * fsevra doesn't think so
21:52 <fsevra> And then they have to find something else.
21:52 <Trip> s 12 books long, I believe.
21:52 <fsevra> In the next few years.
21:52 <fsevra> It'll happen.
21:52 <McEwok> Kid Cade?
21:52 <fsevra> Eh...
21:52 <mandalore55> when will they stop making books
21:52 <fsevra> Too depressing?
21:52 <fsevra> ;)
21:52 <SharpesRevenge> no more skywalker
21:52 <Dunc> Sue said 10 books for Ferus
21:52 <McEwok> Mara Jade young reader books...?
21:52 <namith> They'll probably never stop making books
21:53 <Trip> Sorry, yeah, ten.
21:53 <Rohniss> they need more Infinites: RE: Tag and Bink
21:53 <corranhorn24> they will stop making books if and when the books stop making money
21:53 <namith> Tag and Bink is great
21:53 <McEwok> Infinities novels/comics = a good thing
21:53 <namith> Actually, corranhorn24 is right
21:53 <SharpesRevenge> we should have a book about the young Qae Jha
21:53 <fsevra> I think they might need a dedicated alternate infinities timeline
21:53 <Trip> Meh, I'd rather not waste valuable slots with non-canon stuff.
21:53 <SharpesRevenge> the flying creatures on Niruan in VotF
21:53 <McEwok> But needs to be intelligently reactive, IMHO...
21:53 <namith> I rather like the plot-lines we have in NJO and LotF
21:53 <McEwok> ^^ pretentious Ewok.
21:54 <Trip> Plus, then we get fans clamoring for infinities to become canon... blegh.
21:54 <McEwok> What I mean is, the best infinities - the best Star Wars - uses the canon to give it a coherence...
21:54 <namith> You can't do a timeline for infinities, they're defined as not applying to timeline
21:54 <Dunc> Bring back Tales!
21:54 <fsevra> Del Rey's going to want to push kids into the new stuff
21:54 <Rohniss> Infinities should NEVER become Canon
21:54 <Rohniss> Canon should become Infinities
21:54 <fsevra> They're off prequels now...
21:54 <namith> If they bring back Tales, I'll have to read all the old ones
21:54 <Rohniss> not totally
21:54 <Rohniss> I have Coruscant Nights to look forward to
21:55 <fsevra> For the most part.
21:55 <Dunc> Tales was awesome. Best thing DH ever did
21:55 <namith> DE
21:55 <Dunc> Almost enough to make up for DE. :P
21:55 <McEwok> The best of Tales was brilliant.
21:55 <namith> Much better
21:55 <namith> And it's actually canon
21:55 <McEwok> *still likes XWRS and the TLC adaption*
21:55 <Rohniss> DE was great
21:55 <namith> and mentioned in EU
21:55 <Rohniss> just DE II and EE was stretching it
21:55 <Dunc> DE was a good idea, but crap execution. And it should have been Infinities
21:55 <Trip> Nomad remains one of my favorite stories. Yeah, more (canon) tales would be great.
21:55 <McEwok> Blame KJA?
21:55 <Dunc> The adapations were good. I wish they had done more.
21:55 <fsevra> Sooner than a couple of years
21:55 <Rohniss> KJA is great
21:56 <Rohniss> he gave us Exar
21:56 <namith> Ah and Kyp Durron
21:56 <Rohniss> which Exar makes up for
21:56 <fsevra> if Last of the Jedi #1 was in May, and #6 is in December...they're thinking about it now, I'm sure.
21:56 <namith> He was my favorite character once upon a time
21:56 <fsevra> Kyp, hmm
21:56 <namith> Before they sidelined him
21:56 <Rohniss> Never liked Kyp
21:56 <Rohniss> never have, never will
21:56 <Dunc> I have a hard time really hating recent crap EU, because KJA set the bar so low.
21:56 <namith> He could have kicked so much ass
21:57 <Trip> The boy should've gotten the gas chamber like thrity years ago.
21:57 <corranhorn24> Kyp isnt so bad, if he is handled correctly. Though i do hate the " I am stronger than Luke thing"
21:57 <Rohniss> Correction: KJA's NOVELS
21:57 <namith> Well he has more potential than luke
21:57 <Rohniss> Knights of the Old Republic was briilliant
21:57 <Dunc> "Well, no, it wasn't GOOD... but it's better than KJA. I can live with it."
21:57 <mandalore55> yep
21:57 <namith> but very few people have Luke's trainging
21:57 <Rohniss> far better than the new series and game that stole the name
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21:57 <namith> KOTOR two story sucked
21:57 <namith> it didn't make any sense
21:57 <Trip> The new KotOR series is the best one yet, I think.
21:58 <mandalore55> there gonna make a 3
21:58 <Dunc> NO GAMING TALK
21:58 <namith> I do like KOTOR comics
21:58 <mandalore55> fine
21:58 <Dunc> I FORBID IT
21:58 <Rohniss> Dunc, you mean Vonda McIntyre or Barbara Hambly instead of KJA
21:58 <Dunc> Oh no, I mean KJA
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21:58 <Rohniss> no
21:58 <mandalore55> who made this chat room?
21:58 <Rohniss> KJA had redeeming features
21:58 <dgxxx> Allana will be Benīs best friend
21:58 <Rohniss> Crystal Star has none
21:58 <Dunc> I remember having that EXACT thought about The Crustal Star
21:58 <Rohniss> NONE
21:58 <Dunc> Crystal Star
21:58 <Dunc> Plus, CS is really, really easy to ignore.
21:58 <namith> Crystal Star really wasn't that great
21:58 <corranhorn24> Crystal Star whats that?
21:59 <corranhorn24> lol
21:59 <fsevra> Way too many redheads...
21:59 <namith> and yah, nobody ever mentioned it again
21:59 <namith> exactly
21:59 <Rohniss> you dont want to no
21:59 <dgxxx> ehm Tempest?
21:59 <corranhorn24> I do know I was j/k
21:59 <Trip> Hey, it gave us a handy retcon for the Reborn. : P
21:59 <Dunc> Jedi Academy trilogy? Not so easy to ignore
21:59 <Rohniss> Crystal Star is a poster child for why novels should be inifinites in some cases
21:59 <Dunc> And... I liked COTJ.
21:59 <corranhorn24> Yeah, mentioned way too much.
21:59 <dgxxx> oh really , 2 redhead saving the universe
21:59 <namith> COTJ?
21:59 <namith> oh right
21:59 <corranhorn24> Children of the Jedi
21:59 <Rohniss> Children of the Jedi
21:59 <Dunc> PoT was crap, but COTJ was decent. Except Callista should have died.
21:59 <McEwok> Trippy Luke.
21:59 <namith> Yah Callista needs to be resolved
22:00 <namith> and by that I mean killed
22:00 <mandalore55> are we done with Tempest?
22:00 <Dunc> She is resolved. She's GONE. That's good enough for me.
22:00 <namith> IF you want to start a Tempest topic you can
22:00 <Dunc> Sure, it's 10:00
22:00 <namith> I just don't like that loose end
22:00 <Rohniss> Just like Waru
22:00 <McEwok> Rereading CotJ recently, I was struck by how dark the shadows in Luke were...
22:00 <McEwok> Perhaps Farmboy - have we covered him yet?
22:00 <Rohniss> If i never hear of either of them again, its too soon
22:00 *** Dunc changes topic to `free for all EU novel/comic talk. Want to talk Tempest? Bring it up`
22:00 <Rohniss> No Amatuer history yet.
22:00 <namith> But still no games
22:00 <Rohniss> ?
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22:01 <Dunc> No games
22:01 <corranhorn24> can we do a speculative topic?
22:01 <namith> It's a FFA
22:01 <namith> Go ahead
22:01 <Dunc> ffa novels and comics
22:01 <mandalore55> How can Corellia hold out against the GA?
22:01 <McEwok> Fighter attacks.
22:01 <dgxxx> m.m who thinks Cade picked up a lightsaber too early?
22:01 <corranhorn24> Who do you think will be the Sacrifice?
22:01 <namith> How could the Rebel alliance stand up against the Empire
22:02 <mandalore55> Tenel Ka
22:02 <Rohniss> Empire for lyfe
22:02 <namith> Why not luke?
22:02 <namith> I think he should kill luke
22:02 <Rohniss> death to terrorists and traitors
22:02 <mandalore55> They won't kill Luke
22:02 <McEwok> Corellia has five huge, unsinkable carriers.
22:02 <corranhorn24> I agree I think it will be Tenel Ka
22:02 <Trip> The Rebel Alliance existed on the whim of the Emperor.
22:02 <namith> They have to kill him someday
22:02 <McEwok> Parked with starfighters.
22:02 <corranhorn24> and/or Allana
22:02 <namith> Trip: good point
22:02 <mandalore55> Not Allana
22:02 <mandalore55> nobody kills there kids
22:02 <Rohniss> McE nice WWII reference
22:02 <Rohniss> :D
22:02 <namith> It could be Allana but I hope not and I don't think so
22:02 <namith> lots of people kill their kids
22:02 <namith> Crazy people
22:03 <mandalore55> sick people
22:03 <namith> Like Jacen seems to be becoming...
22:03 <mandalore55> he's not that sick
22:03 <namith> But he
22:03 <namith> is getting rapidly worse
22:03 <Rohniss> no hes pretty sick
22:03 <Rohniss> even in Betrayal
22:03 <mandalore55> He wants to make the galaxy a better place for Allana what is the purpose of killing her?
22:03 <Rohniss> because hes Crazy.
22:03 <namith> To make the Galaxy a better place period
22:04 <McEwok> No, Jacen is *human*
22:04 <namith> but, i don't think he will do it
22:04 <McEwok> He just can't *see* it.
22:04 <dgxxx> i just thought , how about Han crashing the Falcon into the Anakin Solo :S
22:04 <namith> I just don't think the authors will be that quick to kill her
22:04 <namith> Gotta go guys, sry
22:04 <mandalore55> All the major deaths will be in book 6 Denning kills people
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22:04 <corranhorn24> While their may be more than one Sacrifice in the book, the big one will have to be Jacen's.
22:04 <Rohniss> Anyone else want the Jedi and the Force to be towned WAY DOWN
22:04 <Dunc> she's the first of the... what? Fourth generation?
22:04 <McEwok> Jacen oscilates between ideas, attitudes - much like we all do...
22:04 <Rohniss> (ie like with Zahn)
22:04 <Dunc> I don't think they'll kill her
22:05 <corranhorn24> Big deaths wont happen in a paperback
22:05 <mandalore55> got to go see ya
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22:05 <corranhorn24> You get small ones like Tresina Lobi and the Cakhaim and Meelwah
22:05 <Dunc> Someone will die before Jacen gets his Sith name...
22:05 <SharpesRevenge> hopefully Fett
22:06 <corranhorn24> Darth Im a Dumbass
22:06 <Rohniss> we get it Sharp
22:06 <Dunc> Sacrifice....
22:06 <McEwok> Kill Jacen?
22:06 <Rohniss> you dont like Fett, me and Trip agree
22:06 <Rohniss> but we dont parade it around
22:07 <Trip> If they kill Jacen in Sacrifice, after building him up and having the contest and everything, I'll be...
22:07 <Trip> ...quite impressed, actually.
22:07 <dgxxx> i think that contest is misdirection
22:07 <corranhorn24> I would be impressed too, but they wont. Who will be the main baddy for the rest of the series?
22:07 <dgxxx> did you guys read the Denning interview in Random House site??
22:08 <Trip> Misdirection? I hope so, but I doubt it.
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22:08 <Trip> No, haven't read the interview.
22:08 <McEwok> Question: how far will Luke go?
22:08 <Dunc> I'm wondering where his sw.com interview is...
22:08 <dgxxx> it says that in exile i think, Jacen will discover who are his real enemies
22:09 <Trip> What do you mean, Thrawn? In relation to Jacen?
22:09 <corranhorn24> Everyone, except for Ben and Tenel Ka are his enemies, at least in his eyes
22:10 <Dunc> He's paranoid...
22:10 <dgxxx> http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780345477521&view=auqa
22:10 <corranhorn24> I think Luke would kill Jacen if he saw no hope in redeeming him. But he will try everything to bring him back
22:11 <dgxxx> "and that Jacen will finally discover who his true enemies really are." it is in Inferno
22:11 <pretty_d> but when would luke concede no hope?
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22:11 <Rohniss> I just crashed my desktop
22:11 <Dunc> Here's one for the Ewok - Anakin (Solo) redeems Jacen.
22:11 <corranhorn24> When he realizes Jacen has corrupted Ben
22:12 <Rohniss> thats after Anakin does it with Tahiri, Tenel, and Mara
22:12 <Rohniss> and Leia too for good measure
22:12 <McEwok> Redeems them?
22:12 <Dunc> Interglactic undead PIMP
22:12 <McEwok> Now that last is just icky.
22:12 <McEwok> Dunc... could work...
22:12 <McEwok> Trip - I meant more generally.
22:13 <Dunc> Think back to the Jedi Academy trilogy... Two year old Jacen, with a lightsaber, controlled by Luke
22:13 <McEwok> Jacen is still, ultimately, a punk.
22:13 <Dunc> The Spirit of Anakin
22:13 <McEwok> He's being played by Niathal, TK *and* Lumiya...
22:13 <Rohniss> just like Anakin I
22:13 <McEwok> And then there's Gejjen & Co. to deal with...
22:14 <McEwok> So what's farmboy doing?
22:14 <Rohniss> IMHO, nothing
22:14 <Rohniss> Farmboy is Yoda to LOTF
22:14 <Trip> I'm not sure, then. (In relation to Luke)
22:14 <dgxxx> when is exile coming out?
22:14 <Rohniss> and he wont do anything until its too late to salvage the situation
22:15 <Rohniss> Januaray?
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22:15 <Trip> His defining characteristic for most of his life has been indecisiveness.
22:15 <McEwok> Rohniss, are you *sure*
22:15 <Rohniss> about what?
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22:15 <McEwok> Where has Luke been indecisive in LotF?
22:15 <Rohniss> I never said he was indecisive
22:15 <Rohniss> I said he wasnt ACTING
22:16 <McEwok> He's not?
22:16 <pretty_d> february 27
22:16 <Rohniss> I havent read tempest
22:16 <McEwok> This is the man who organizes half of Operation Roundabout, and goes Sith-hunting in Tempest.
22:16 <Rohniss> so im unclear on the Lumiya/Luke Action
22:16 <McEwok> Bloodlines seems to be a blip.
22:17 <Rohniss> remeber basing my opinion off Bloodlines and Betrayal
22:17 <pretty_d> if luke were more decisive, he'd be jacen
22:17 <Trip> Yeah, same here.
22:17 <Trip> (RE: Rohniss, there)
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22:17 <McEwok> pretty_d - or a less *dumb* Jacen?
22:19 <dgxxx> when the cover of Sacrifice will be online?
22:19 <pretty_d> hmmmn. evil is defined by whether we agree?
22:19 <Rohniss> hold on general question? Wasnt Apocalypse or something similar the title of the latest announced LOTF book?
22:20 <dgxxx> Fury was the 7 book i think
22:20 <Trip> Fury is #7 and Inferno #6.
22:20 <dgxxx> yep
22:20 <Rohniss> there we go, Apoc was speculation
22:20 <Rohniss> back to regular scheduled programming
22:20 <dgxxx> i can see Apocalypse as a LOTF book title
22:21 <Rohniss> I would like Death, Pestilence, Famine and War to be there as well :D
22:21 <Rohniss> with Apocalypse bieng the final title
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22:21 <dgxxx> Fear
22:22 <Trip> Redemption will be the last title. Just wait.
22:22 <McEwok> pretty_d (belatedly) - perhaps by the results?
22:25 <McEwok> Hello?
22:25 <Dunc> Hrm.
22:25 <Rohniss> ...
22:26 <pretty_d> jacen's getting results
22:26 <McEwok> *tumbleweed*
22:26 <Trip> ... starships?
22:26 <pretty_d> or so he'd argue
22:26 <McEwok> pretty_d: he's brought the Bothans into the war.
22:26 <Trip> : P
22:26 <McEwok> On the *wrong* side.
22:26 <McEwok> He's enraged the Corellians.
22:26 <McEwok> He's made the wrong call in Hapes.
22:27 <Rohniss> ... so the World Brain is finally really dead?
22:27 <pretty_d> wrong how? he's preventing terrorism
22:27 <McEwok> Yep. That too.
22:27 <pretty_d> (i can't believe you tricked me into arguing jacen's side)
22:27 <McEwok> pretty_d - he's a terrorist.
22:28 <Dunc> mcewok is tricksy
22:28 <McEwok> Jacen may wear a uniform, but what he deals in is state terror.
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22:28 <Rohniss> Jacen *is* Rhinehardt Hiedrich for lack of a better comparision
22:28 <McEwok> He is carrying out an *unsanctioned assassination policy in league with the Sith*
22:28 <McEwok> Discuss!
22:29 <Rohniss> response.. Duh
22:29 <pretty_d> totally. my point is only that he's certain of his rightness as he does so. we wouldn't want luke to be anywhere near that certain. it's creepy.
22:30 <McEwok> Luke *is* that certain.
22:30 <McEwok> :D
22:30 <McEwok> Hang on while I dredge the quote.
22:30 <McEwok> Luke is, if anything, considerably more certain than Jacen...
22:32 <McEwok> "Luke felt an uneasy dragging sensation in his gut that he hadn't experienced for many, many years. It was self-doubt." - Bloodlines, end of chapter 8.
22:32 <McEwok> *chapter 7.
22:33 <McEwok> Luke is more careful than Jacen, and more subtle and understated than Niathal...
22:34 <McEwok> But nevertheless - while personally capable of moments of Farmboy naievetee,
22:34 <Rohniss> so your saying he learned something Palps in DE
22:34 <McEwok> he knows what he's doing...
22:35 <McEwok> I think he came to a conclusion in the NJO, reinforced in TSW.
22:36 <Trip> Well, I guess the Vong invasion taught him that dithering while the galaxy burns isn't the most effective way of handling things. Good on him.
22:36 <McEwok> I just think it's ironic.
22:36 <McEwok> It also flags up Jacen's ego...
22:37 <pretty_d> i think luke knows what he's doing too. but i think you can't always see him doing it.
22:37 <McEwok> That he can't see what Luke's doing.
22:37 <pretty_d> yeah. exactly.
22:37 <McEwok> pretty_d - agreed.
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22:39 <McEwok> Anyway... bed!!
22:40 <McEwok> Good night, all - thanks for doing this, Dunc!!
22:40 <Dunc> np
22:40 <Dunc> Thanks for showing up. :D
22:41 <McEwok> It's been fun.
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22:41 <Rohniss> and now, on to Football?
22:42 <Dunc> hehe